HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[BLONG7]

Feels like the whole team is dry. This implies something is up with the tactics/coaching. Unfortunately we also have insufficient scoring depth... so maybe it's time to call up Joshua Roy? Inject some impetus.

On the other hand, it might be for the best to let the Ls rack up.

Tough call................I think they told him he would stay down all season.

There was something yesterday I read that MSL told the forward group they have to go to the net, get in the middle and stop being a perimeter player group....he is bang on there.
Take the punishment, but get rewarded..............interesting to see if this happens in the next few games.

They do spend way too much time on the outside......most of them.

 

[BarracudaMtl]

Sooner or later, we are going to have to add pure offensive talent. If management doesn't want to do it via the draft (Michkov), then the only option is via trade or UFA.
This group of youngsters also need some help.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Sooner or later, we are going to have to add pure offensive talent. If management doesn't want to do it via the draft (Michkov), then the only option is via trade or UFA.
This group of youngsters also need some help.

The reports are it sounds like the Habs do like Demidov and probably figured they would be in contention to draft him

 

[habsfan891]

The reports are it sounds like the Habs do like Demidov and probably figured they would be in contention to draft him

We can only wish, it would make this year bearable

 

[Habs Icing]

Lifted from the plot of Eastern Promises — a secretive world involving Russians.

A flick starring Habs fan Viggo Mortensen.

Real life imitating art.

BTW, great flick.

 

[Habs Icing]

Just read our young D core are the 2nd highest scoring D in the league, and our forward group are the lowest scoring in the entire league.................
We NEED scoring from the forward group...............or a frickin trade HuGo!!

MSL has to get the forwards going...................what a crew.

With Reinbacher, Mailloux and Huston on the way, you're missing Hugo's secret plan. Our defence will do all the scoring while our forwards protect the net.

 

[themilosh]

With Reinbacher, Mailloux and Huston on the way, you're missing Hugo's secret plan. Our defence will do all the scoring while our forwards protect the net.

I've thought about this for a while now.... It is often done in NFL whereby a team is a complete defensive monster (Baltimore ravens years ago, Chicago, etc..) with the notion that Defense wins championships.

I think in todays fast paced NHL, with D being as mobile as ever - could Hugo be eyeing the NFL strategy? D are on the ice way more than forwards, what would 6D all playing ~20min a night look like? Wave after wave of punishing D men (every shift) playing havoc on the opposing team - which obviously sets our average forwards up for success.

Has a team ever gone a 2 - 1 - 2 system, but instead of a so-called 2-way C it would be a Lane Hutson QB from the middle?

 

[Scriptor]

With Reinbacher, Mailloux and Huston on the way, you're missing Hugo's secret plan. Our defence will do all the scoring while our forwards protect the net.

Laugh as we might, in a perfect world, a strong, puck-moving D-Corps will help the overall offense. Mailloux and Hutson should definitely help point production the PP.

Of course, we'll still need players with a finishing touch to complete scoring opportunities which, for the most part, should been on the rise with a better puck-moving D-Corps.

We need scoring on a regular basis from more than Suzuki and Caufield.

Some of it can come from a 3rd line that will likely consist at least of Beck and Roy (probably with Newhook on LW), IMO, but a significant portion of the missing offense must come from a line entered by Dach, as things stand for the C-line.

If the elite talent doesn't come from the draft, it will have to come via a trade and/or the UFA front, likely both, to complete the roster without sacrificing too much depth talent-wise.

Again, mark the 2025 offseason for likely significant trade and the 2027 offseason as a UFA opportunity to complete the roster in this rebuild.

Draft picks can both turbo boost the rebuild and create continuity when it comes to consistently adding the talent the roster that might hopefully extend any Cup window that arises.

 

[SlafySZN]

Habs ‘’apparently’’ interested in Berggren

 

[salbutera]

I've thought about this for a while now.... It is often done in NFL whereby a team is a complete defensive monster (Baltimore ravens years ago, Chicago, etc..) with the notion that Defense wins championships.

I think in todays fast paced NHL, with D being as mobile as ever - could Hugo be eyeing the NFL strategy? D are on the ice way more than forwards, what would 6D all playing ~20min a night look like? Wave after wave of punishing D men (every shift) playing havoc on the opposing team - which obviously sets our average forwards up for success.

Has a team ever gone a 2 - 1 - 2 system, but instead of a so-called 2-way C it would be a Lane Hutson QB from the middle?

Position less hockey…

 

[Miller Time]

Habs ‘’apparently’’ interested in Berggren

Seems obvious they would be subject to Yzerman's asking price.

With Larkin & Computer out, I could see them have a lot of interest in Monahan.

Bet Hughes is looking for Berggren+ while Stevie wants Monahan+

 

[SlafySZN]

Seems obvious they would be subject to Yzerman's asking price.

With Larkin & Computer out, I could see them have a lot of interest in Monahan.

Bet Hughes is looking for Berggren+ while Stevie wants Monahan+

Would prefer a pick for Monahan at the deadline

 

[Miller Time]

Would prefer a pick for Monahan at the deadline

I think I'd prefer Berggren 1:1 over a pick unless it was a 1st with a good chance of being in the top 20

 

[Jaynki]

I'd like Berggren but it really depends on the price.

Monahan for Berggren could be a good trade imo. I'd rather this than a 2nd, unless Monahan brings back a 1st, which i think is doubtful.

 

[Jaynki]

Berggren vs Harris?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Berggren vs Harris?

Detroit would need to add big time.

 

[Miller Time]

Detroit would need to add big time.

really? is that more because you value Harris very highly, or because you don't see much upside in Breggren?

I think quite highly of Harris, but, with our d group (now and prospects 1-3 years away), not sure he's a key piece we need to hang on to nor will he get the runway to establish himself as a quality #3-4 (which, to me, seems to be his ceiling).

Berggren seems to me to have at least similar upside (quality middle-6 winger, with some offensive upside and a very high floor on account of his 2-way game/skating) and would likely be an upgrade over Heineman/Farrell/Ylonen in occupying one of the middle-6 W spots in the roster for the next few years.

to me that's an easy "yes" as far as a 1:1 swap.

 

[WeThreeKings]

really? is that more because you value Harris very highly, or because you don't see much upside in Breggren?

I think quite highly of Harris, but, with our d group (now and prospects 1-3 years away), not sure he's a key piece we need to hang on to nor will he get the runway to establish himself as a quality #3-4 (which, to me, seems to be his ceiling).

Berggren seems to me to have at least similar upside (quality middle-6 winger, with some offensive upside and a very high floor on account of his 2-way game/skating) and would likely be an upgrade over Heineman/Farrell/Ylonen in occupying one of the middle-6 W spots in the roster for the next few years.

to me that's an easy "yes" as far as a 1:1 swap.

Defenseman will always have more value than smaller wingers who have not established themselves in the NHL.

If we are trading a young, NHL defense on a good contract.. we better be getting more back than a small skilled winger who can't get a regular shift in a Detroit Red Wings team.

 

[Draft]

Habs ‘’apparently’’ interested in Berggren

I mean... I guess? A guy worth giving a shot to but I'm not confident about his long-term fit with the team.

From what I've seen, he's a very smart player. Quick, pretty versatile offensively, protects the puck well for a guy his size, consistently makes the right play, and is solid defensively. Similar to what we have in Newhook. Just another smaller middle-six guy but maybe a good fit for Marty's system.

 

[Miller Time]

Defenseman will always have more value than smaller wingers who have not established themselves in the NHL.

If we are trading a young, NHL defense on a good contract.. we better be getting more back than a small skilled winger who can't get a regular shift in a Detroit Red Wings team.

Avg. NHL fwd height is btw 6-6'1 & weight 195-200.

At 5'11, 197lbs, I don't think calling Berggren "small" is accurate at all.

And I don't think Harris having 18 more NHL games makes him "more established".

But those labels aside, if we look at the the two actual players and our roster/org. needs, I disagree with your take. Berggren fits our needs better and the difference in value of the two players is negligible at best imo.

 

[Kwikwi]

Whats wrong with the 1st in 26, bad year for prospects? Fascination for 1sts is amazing for this fanbase.

hell start playing in 2030 and be good in 2033

 

[overlords]

Detroit would need to add big time.

harris hasn't done a single thing to make himself worth a kid who has already scored 15 goals in <70 games and who has held a ppg pace in the AHL. Being 'small' is more a slight on harris than it is on berggren too, btw. Harris isn't exactly 'established' either and he's been playing on one of the worst teams in the league with all the opportunity in the world to show what he's got.

 

[The Great Weal]

Berggren vs Harris?

I doubt Detroit needs dmen

 

[Mrb1p]

Cmon man, this is Hockey's future board. We already started following 29 draft prospects
Joking aside, remember the name Max Melicherik.

Oof 2010 born. Im getting old.

 

[Mrb1p]

Habs ‘’apparently’’ interested in Berggren

I love Berggren and have been hyping him up since 2018 but he's pretty much a lot of what we already have. There's no need for him. They need to go for size and speed.

harris hasn't done a single thing to make himself worth a kid who has already scored 15 goals in <70 games and who has held a ppg pace in the AHL. Being 'small' is more a slight on harris than it is on berggren too, btw. Harris isn't exactly 'established' either and he's been playing on one of the worst teams in the league with all the opportunity in the world to show what he's got.

Amen.