HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[The Last Red]

Maybe not an offer for Monahan, but they should seriously consider trading Anderson. The only issue I would have however is Anderson brings much needed size and speed.

I think there's a market for Anderson, despite the remaining term on his contract. He'll be much better on a playoff team. I doubt he thought he was signing up for a 5 year rebuild when he signed with us. It's not an excuse for him but . . . he's human.

 

[vokiel]

BTW Kings signing Aaron Dell out of the boonies, means Allen is most likely not moving anywhere.

 

[Vachon23]

I mean. They might do nothing but they just changed their coach and they are fighting for a playoffs spot.

Don’t think they are making it this year all though I
Know there is a lot of respect between Roy and Savard

 

[Colezuki]

BTW Kings signing Aaron Dell out of the boonies, means Allen is most likely not moving anywhere.

Most are saying the three goalie thing persists till the offseason, Savard and Harris seem like our Trade bait rn

 

[JRichard]

Savard is not a UFA so that helps his value.

Tsn trade bait list:
12 out of top 20 are ufas
3 are draft picks
So 5 are players with term. Including our 3rd goalie…

Again 12 ufas 21-40. Again 5 players with term. 1 pick, 2 rfas.

Tdl is all about ufas.

 

[vokiel]

Most are saying the three goalie thing persists till the offseason, Savard and Harris seem like our Trade bait rn

There's another possibility in that they really signed him and waived him right away to send his arse to the AHL. I thought a team needed to waive someone past a certain age to sign him if he had played outside NA. Like Kovalchuk. Maybe that's not the case.

 

[LaP]

Maybe not an offer for Monahan, but they should seriously consider trading Anderson. The only issue I would have however is Anderson brings much needed size and speed.

There's no reason to trade Anderson unless you get something for him. Minimum price should be set at a 1st or an equivalent value prospect and this is without retention. If we don't get that price then keep him. HIs salary wont be a problem moving forward for at least a few years.

 

[417]

Do you guys think that HuGo would sell Anderson off to a contender, 20 cents on the dollar just to clear some cap for next season?

Hope so.

Edit - well maybe not 20 cents on the dollar, but if they can find a way to get out from under that contract while extracting some asset value, it would be great.

And offer the 5.5M to Monahan?

Hope not.

 

[JoelWarlord]

There's no reason to trade Anderson unless you get something for him. Minimum price should be set at a 1st or an equivalent value prospect and this is without retention. If we don't get that price then keep him. HIs salary wont be a problem moving forward for at least a few years.

I would trade Anderson for a conditional 7th round pick that activates if Josh Anderson wins a Cy Young award. His salary will become a problem in Summer 2025, and we already have Gallagher who's completely unmoveable.

The other problem is there's just nowhere to play him. He can't really play in the top 6, he can't really play on a 3rd line with a guy like Dvorak that will have defensive responsibilities, there's just no fit for him anymore and his salary means he'll get minutes and a reasonably big role that creates ripple effects on the rest of the lineup.

 

[bcv]

There's no reason to trade Anderson unless you get something for him. Minimum price should be set at a 1st or an equivalent value prospect and this is without retention. If we don't get that price then keep him. HIs salary wont be a problem moving forward for at least a few years.

We must not be watching the same games, or perhaps even the same sport, if you think Anderson is worth anything. He’s a negative asset.

 

[HuGort]

I don't think so.

Anderson has struggled offensively this year. But he's usually able to get you 20+ goals. He had 21 last year. The year before he had 19 in 69 (23 goal pace). And his first year with Montreal, he had 17 in 52 (27 goal pace).

His effort level was there at the start of the year despite not able to convert his golden chances. Then it disappeared for a bit. But lately, he's picked it up again. So the hope is that this year is an outlier and that next year, he will go back to producing like he usually does. Or at the very least, the pace he usually does.

And if Montreal can continue to shore up their Top-6 and have Anderson on the 3rd line and occasionally be put on the Top-6, then I think he'll be more effective. In fact, he's been more effective on a third line with Evans and Gallagher than he has been on the top line with Nick and Cole.

Coming back from high ankle sprain usually takes a long time before close to old self.

 

[LaP]

We must not be watching the same games, or perhaps even the same sport, if you think Anderson is worth anything. He’s a negative asset.

Then you wait to buy him out when there's less year and the salary is a problem. Not now. No reason to give something to trade him away.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[bcv]

Then you wait to buy him out when there's less year and the salary is a problem. Not now. No reason to give something to trade him away.

That wasn't what you posted.. you said it would take a minimum of a first round pick to trade him (with no retention) and now you're talking about buying him out.

 

[morhilane]

He could have just said nothing changed from yesterday.

I still find it strange Wennberg was health scratched for trade reason and he is still not traded. It's not like Chychrun who needs to be bubble wrapped since he's made of glass.

 

[Adam Michaels]

He could have just said nothing changed from yesterday.

I still find it strange Wennberg was health scratched for trade reason and he is still not traded. It's not like Chychrun who needs to be bubble wrapped since he's made of glass.

Sometimes a player is held out of the line-up for trade-related reasons but is traded a day or two later. I believe Chiarot was held out of the line-up and was traded to Florida two days later.

 

[Andrei79]

There's no reason to trade Anderson unless you get something for him. Minimum price should be set at a 1st or an equivalent value prospect and this is without retention. If we don't get that price then keep him. HIs salary wont be a problem moving forward for at least a few years.

I think he could absolutely be a problem eventually, especially with Gallagher already being one. 11M$ locked up on dead space will be a problem and my thinking is capitalizing on whatever value he has before he becomes a negative asset at a time where the team will be on an upward trajectory.

 

[The Great Weal]

I think he could absolutely be a problem eventually, especially with Gallagher already being one. 11M$ locked up on dead space will be a problem and my thinking is capitalizing on whatever value he has before he becomes a negative asset at a time where the team will be on an upward trajectory.

I think at some point Hughes will have to bite the bullet and retain 50% on him. He should have value at 50% since it's a better contract than what a guy like Miles Wood got. Not to mention the cap is rising. After next year, we don't really have any contracts we should retain 50% on anyways so it makes sense.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Then you wait to buy him out when there's less year and the salary is a problem. Not now. No reason to give something to trade him away.

I wouldn't pay much to get rid of him right now but I would give him away for free or for virtually nothing with zero hesitation. I won't be actively mad about it if they don't move him this summer because the salary is still manageable and we're not trying to compete right now (and it might just not be possible to move him without a big sweetener), but I just don't think the expected value makes sense on holding him any longer than necessary.

His value likely can't get any lower than it is today, but there's an opportunity cost to keeping such a one-dimensional player in your lineup and he just makes it so incredibly difficult to make 4 cohesive lines when you have to just accept that whatever line Anderson is on will be a defensive black hole that can't cycle whatsoever.

 

[vokiel]

I only hope they won't extend him. Very decent replacement for Dvorak on July 1st imho.

 

[Guy Larose]

 

[LaP]

I only hope they won't extend him. Very decent replacement for Dvorak on July 1st imho.

We don't really need tom replace Dvorak. You don't want to block Beck. If you sign someone it must be 2 years max and Wennberg wont sign for only 2 years. There's also one year left on Dvorak. I really don't see Wennberg as a fit. He will be 30 next season.

 

[Adam Michaels]

If I'm a team, I'm obviously asking about them. But in my mind, I was never in doubt the Leafs would make them untouchables, which is why if I mention a proposal with the Leafs, I don't bother bringing any of these players up.

 

[salbutera]

I keep reading here that end of 1st round pick are not interesting and every time i'm like whatever. I'm kind of lost here. If end of first round picks are not interesting what's the solution? Waiting 10 years for Savard and Anderson to improve and become elite talents and make us contender? Because you wont get a top pick or top prospect for those guys. That simply will not happen.

People act like if end of 1st round picks never become top 6 forward or top 4 dmen. From 2008 to 2017 (ignoring the last 6 drafts cause players are too young) here's a list of some players drafted in the first round after the 20th position (21 to 30) :

Jordan Eberle
John Carlson
Kyle Palmieri
Kevin Hayes
Evgeni Kuznetson
Charlie Coyle
Brock Nelson
Philip Danault
Mike Matheson
Brady Skjei
Andrei Burakovsky
Shea Theodore
David Pasternak
Adran Kempe
Brock Boeser
Travis Konecny
Tage Thompson
Jake Oettinger

I believe you just proved the point: over 10-drafts, 100-players drafted 18 have had some level of NHL regular career… 18% that’s atrocious odds.

Give me a bird in the hand all the time vs 18% hope.

As for the “solution” it’s more viable to go after NHL ready assets, which is why I suggested you add to Savard to try & fetch that asset - I.e Savard (retention) + Wpg 1st for Knies type move

No doubt that trying to make such moves are difficult at deadline time - too many variables need to align

 

[Guy Larose]

If I'm a team, I'm obviously asking about them. But in my mind, I was never in doubt the Leafs would make them untouchables, which is why if I mention a proposal with the Leafs, I don't bother bringing any of these players up.

In the thread I got this from, they all mostly mention Minten as a 4th liner.