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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season
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Adam Michaels
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They have a 2024 1st. And maybe get a B-level or C-level prospect that would be for Laval with potential to be in the NHL down the road.
Two options I took a quick look at are both RD, so while you're giving an RD away, you're getting one back.
1) William Villeneuve: 21 years old ; 2020 4th round pick ; 6'1" and 175 lbs ; 21 pts (2G, 19A) in 41 GP in AHL.
2) Ryan Tverberg: 22 years old ; 2020 7th round pick ; 5'10" and 168 lbs ; 28 pts (8G, 20A) in 37 GP in AHL.
Benstheman
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I don't think so. Monahan is still a risk health wise. It was making sense on 1 year contracts but 4-5 years?? I don't think so. Also, we are in no rush to dump bad contracts. Cap space will not be an issue for the next 2-3 years. No need to sell at all time low right now.
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No one wants Anderson without us retaining a significant amount or taking back a bad contract of equal term in return.
For example, I could see the Oilers offering Campbell + a package of futures for Anderson, because their contracts are almost identical. They get the better player. We get the futures and a space for a young guy in the lineup.
But I think we have the cap space to sign Monahan at 5.5M AAV even withoug moving out Anderson's contract.
Given the Leafs playoff track record, their's is a 1st to target in a Savard trade.
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Definitely not. Hughes isn't going to offer 5.5 M for Monahan. But even if he would, with Price on LTIR Montreal will have nearly 20 mil in cap space/LTIR room with a full roster and only Xhekaj to re-sign next season.
Its like cutting your finger off because you have a hangnail.
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No
Barring an unforeseen trade, the centers will be:
Suzuki, Dach, Dvorak, Evans
Andy will play in the middle 6. The hope would be a bounce back season for him and Dvo. Then it will be either a playoff push or trade deadline haul.
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Benstheman
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I think we can add the NYI as potential suitors for Savard.
The just lost Mayfield to LTI and Lou said they are buyers.
The just lost Mayfield to LTI and Lou said they are buyers.
Adam Michaels
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I don't think so.
Anderson has struggled offensively this year. But he's usually able to get you 20+ goals. He had 21 last year. The year before he had 19 in 69 (23 goal pace). And his first year with Montreal, he had 17 in 52 (27 goal pace).
His effort level was there at the start of the year despite not able to convert his golden chances. Then it disappeared for a bit. But lately, he's picked it up again. So the hope is that this year is an outlier and that next year, he will go back to producing like he usually does. Or at the very least, the pace he usually does.
And if Montreal can continue to shore up their Top-6 and have Anderson on the 3rd line and occasionally be put on the Top-6, then I think he'll be more effective. In fact, he's been more effective on a third line with Evans and Gallagher than he has been on the top line with Nick and Cole.
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I mean even if we keep Savard, this team will remain a bottom 10 team unless something drastic happens like we win Celebrini or Hutson/Reinbacher become top pairing dman next year from the get go.
CC-Suzuki-Slaf
Newhook-Dach-Roy
Anderson-Dvorak-Gallagher
RHP-Evans-Armia
Matheson-Guhle
Struble-Savard
Xhekaj-Harris
is a very poor roster.
I will respectfully disagree with you. First off, it’s pretty clear that KH will try and add a top 6 winger this summer which will make our top 2 lines fairly formidable.
Already our top line is an analytics darling on Gf%. The second line with Dach back and maybe an addition can do the same.
Secondly, our top D line with Guhle and Matheson are also strong together.
If nothing else changes, and MSL continues what he’s been doing, next year he will play the top two lines for like 60-70% of the game. Those bottom two line will get minimal time and will be fine with that.
Given how we’ve come close in so many games this year, particularly against top ranked teams, I don’t see us finishing bottom 10 next year when we got a solid 2nd line that can play at up more time.
I think your wrong, we're barely a bottom 10 team missing our 2C, our 3C and having a D core mostly younger then 24. Adding in one more Top 6 to bump Anderson to the 4th line would potentially start our climb IMO.
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He'll likely get too much. I like the man but if he gets 4+ years it's a contract that could age badly.
The opportunmity cost would be whatever else we could receive for the retention slot. If it's more than the extra from Savard at $1.750M versusx $0.875M, then try not to do it.
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I didn't want him traded... unless he wanted out, as was rumored. It looks like his past hip and groin injuries are now manageable.
VirginiaMtlExpat
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Given that HuGo is having Adam Nicholas work with players to fine-tune their game, I'd also like to see them work with a sports psychologist as well as someone like Adam or MSL himself (a Hart winner after all). I think that the disparity between the 27-goal and the 8-goal Anderson could be unlocked.
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Clear based on what? Are we talking about a legit top 6 winger or more of a middle 6 guy like Newhook? What team will give us a worthwhile top 6 winger for the likes of Mesar/Jets 1st/Harris? It would have to cost Roy/Mailloux/Hutson which would defeat the purpose of a rebuild. He made the Newhook trade in hopes that Newhook would become a top 6 winger.
Yes first line has been good but there are still lots of question marks in terms of consistency.
That's not a strong top pair whatsoever.
Playing two lines when we got 4 quality forwards as of now isn't a successful recipe. You're either loading up one line making it a great line, or breaking it up into two good lines which likely isn't enough to win games consistently.
I mean do you expect us to get to OT at a historic rate again? Again I don't know who this 2nd liner is that you believe we will get, but it's gotta be a very good one that we don't empty the prospect pool for.
Like I said, for us to have a serious difference, Caufield needs to regain his goalscoring form, Dach can't miss a beat despite a whole year off, Hutson/Reinbacher make the team and become a quality top 4 dman right away, and we win the lottery where we slide Celebrini on the 2nd line. In this case, I believe we will be a wild card team.
Not sure how we are "barely" a bottom 10 team, we have been in the bottom 10 all year and are closer to being bottom 5. Kirby Dach could very well put up similar point totals as what Monahan did for us this year, people here are very optimistic thinking he can single-handedly propel us to a wildcard spot. Replacing White with Dvorak helps the team but it's not a drastic addition, Dvorak isn't good. Our defense is young, but on the current team, besides Guhle, none of them have significant potential so it's bold to assume they will improve enough to lead us outside the top 10.
I mean essentially you guys are saying Dach+some top 6 forward+Dvorak>>>Monahan+Anderson+White (who's been playing the minutes of a top 6 forward) is enough to get us outside the bottom 10 convincingly.
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Dach is the only guy that would really move the needle.
And Montreal has, by a wide margin, the worst goal differential in the East and 4th worst in the NHL. Montreal is fortunate (or unfortunate) to not be a bottom 5 team.
You're missing the challengers in your projection: Tuch, Beck, Mailloux, etc...
Also I think you can remove Dvorak, regardless of whether the challengers are ready or not. We can just resign Colin White, and that's roughly the same lineup.
Adam Michaels
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They hired a Mental Performance Coach not long ago, Jean-François Ménard.
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VirginiaMtlExpat
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Right now, we are on the cusp of being able to train with virtual reality (like VR golf, but with a hockey stick) and deep neural network-based pose estimation. I think that it would be feasible to train this DNN to simulate any goalie in the NHL, based on video acquisitions and realistic body size. Anderson, and perhaps others, could get their mojo back, by keying on specific goalies (whoever is playing that day) with highly realistic VR simulations. That said, he probably needs to find a way to shoot more, which is a much taller order to develop from a sim standpoint.
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Maybe not an offer for Monahan, but they should seriously consider trading Anderson. The only issue I would have however is Anderson brings much needed size and speed.
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I mean. They might do nothing but they just changed their coach and they are fighting for a playoffs spot.
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