HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[EXPOS123]

What do the panthers need? I would love to get Lundell from them

A center too talented to be on the third line but that’s because Barkov and Bennett are ahead of him.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You are probably right.

That said 2 days before the Chiarot trade in 2022, Josh Manson was traded for the exact Tanev return (a 2nd plus a D-Man drafted in the late 40s 2 years before). It did not preclude a 1st for Chiarot. If any previous trade keeps us from getting a 1st for Savard its probably the Chiarot trade

If we want to move Savard (not sure we should) a Cap strapped team like Leafs or Bolts may give up a 1st to get him for 2 runs with max retention.

That said we don't have many retention spots. if we use this one on Savard or Allen its tied up until end of next year like the petry one. Then only one available (the edmundson one that frees up) next year to use on Armia or DVO or even Allen in offseason.

Like the pittsburg 2nd rounder but not liking the loss of that retention spot for 2 years

If they can get a 1st+ for Savard they have to weigh the odds of getting something better with the last retention spot. And it's not likely. I would take the 1st and let Armia and Dvorak go for nothing next season if they can't be moved with a cap dump coming back.

 

[CDN24]

If they can get a 1st+ for Savard they have to weigh the odds of getting something better with the last retention spot. And it's not likely. I would take the 1st and let Armia and Dvorak go for nothing next season if they can't be moved with a cap dump coming back.

Agreed, the impt asset is the retention slot- you have to maximize its return by using it on the player that gets you the best return. None of Savard, Allen, Armia or DVO will be here after their contract expires- there is no room for any of them even Savard.

I'm not convinced he does not want to move Savard. If you want to sell something how do you maximize its value? Make it known that you don't want to sell it. If people think you want/need to sell you will get nothing but lowball offers. If someone offers his price he will move him- otherwise he keeps him into next season

 

[Goalfield13]

Lots of talk on Savard on leafs' radio this morning. I have been saying for months here that Savard to TO makes too much sense. They have been saying for th elongest time they will not trade their 1st for a rental. Savard is not a rental. They need a vet RD with size. Savard is a vet RD with size. The leafs need a cheap contract. Savard's cap hit, especially at 50%, is pretty cheap. I would trade Savard at 50% for the leafs' 2024 1st without hesitation. They are likely going to play the cats in round 1, so that pick will be pretty nice. It makes too much sense not to happen.

 

[Kosseca]

Foolish to trade Savard this year. Can't retain on him. We have to retain on Allen. Allen unmovable if we don't. Nobody pay 4 million for backup.

Get more for Savard next year when we can retain. Plus get another year out of him.

You are assuming that there is a market for Allen at this TDL, which by all account, there isn't. More likely that he's trade this summer, and by then, you have the Edmundson slot back.

I'm not saying that we have to trade Savard now at all cost, only that the retention shouldn't be the limiting factor to making a deal or not. Value is the key here.

 

[CAUFIELD]

Lots of talk on Savard on leafs' radio this morning. I have been saying for months here that Savard to TO makes too much sense. They have been saying for th elongest time they will not trade their 1st for a rental. Savard is not a rental. They need a vet RD with size. Savard is a vet RD with size. The leafs need a cheap contract. Savard's cap hit, especially at 50%, is pretty cheap. I would trade Savard at 50% for the leafs' 2024 1st without hesitation. They are likely going to play the cats in round 1, so that pick will be pretty nice. It makes too much sense not to happen.

En espérant !!

Because tanev got traded early , it gives time to Hughes to cook something good !!

 

[morhilane]

I have no idea why people think Hughes is interested in trading Savard. He's the only RHD who can eat big minutes in the NHL in the Habs organization. The org is already wasting Guhle as a shutdown RD because of how shit the depth is at RHD. If Savard is traded and it's Harris or Struble who will be put on the right side. That's not what development is about, that's using scotch-tape to ice a line-up.

 

[Kosseca]

I have no idea why people think Hughes is interested in trading Savard. He's the only RHD who can eat big minutes in the NHL in the Habs organization. The org is already wasting Guhle as a shutdown RD because of how shit the depth is at RHD. If Savard is traded and it's Harris or Struble who will be put on the right side. That's not what development is about, that's using scotch-tape to ice a line-up.

I dont think people are thinking that KH is trying to trade Savard, I think people read like you and I that there is a lot of interest from other teams in Savard. So they are having fun thinking what it would take to make a deal. heck... we have nothing else to discuss as we approach the TDL lol

That said, I agree I dont see why MTL should be looking at trading him right now. we dont have the peice to replace him and he's a good leader. That is why there is such a high price tag on him afterall.

 

[donghabs98]

Calgary has really been underwhelming with there trades. Had they been made on deadline day I'd understand but considering they moved Tanev, Lindholm and Zadorov before the deadline, I'd expect packages that would be hard to say no.

 

[Goalfield13]

I have no idea why people think Hughes is interested in trading Savard. He's the only RHD who can eat big minutes in the NHL in the Habs organization. The org is already wasting Guhle as a shutdown RD because of how shit the depth is at RHD. If Savard is traded and it's Harris or Struble who will be put on the right side. That's not what development is about, that's using scotch-tape to ice a line-up.

Barron is going to need another kick at the can. Reinbacher and Mailloux are on their way (though not immediately). It will be short term pain without Savard. Best to trade him now than risk him getting hurt or losing a step next year.

 

[Kosseca]

Lots of talk on Savard on leafs' radio this morning. I have been saying for months here that Savard to TO makes too much sense. They have been saying for th elongest time they will not trade their 1st for a rental. Savard is not a rental. They need a vet RD with size. Savard is a vet RD with size. The leafs need a cheap contract. Savard's cap hit, especially at 50%, is pretty cheap. I would trade Savard at 50% for the leafs' 2024 1st without hesitation. They are likely going to play the cats in round 1, so that pick will be pretty nice. It makes too much sense not to happen.

I would like KH to go a different route with Savard in a trade... don't look to get a 1st, aim for a good young player and add to Savard to make the deal. I dont think this would work with Toronto, but maybe with other teams.

 

[donghabs98]

I dont think people are thinking that KH is trying to trade Savard, I think people read like you and I that there is a lot of interest from other teams in Savard. So they are having fun thinking what it would take to make a deal. heck... we have nothing else to discuss as we approach the TDL lol

That said, I agree I dont see why MTL should be looking at trading him right now. we dont have the peice to replace him and he's a good leader. That is why there is such a high price tag on him afterall.

For me its the fact we'd also have to replace Savard with another veteran defenseman and if you wanr a defenseman who's on Savard's level, they would probably want a multi year deal. Unless someone is paying the moon for Savard, it makes more sense to keep him around till next year.

 

[Kosseca]

Barron is going to need another kick at the can. Reinbacher and Mailloux are on their way (though not immediately). It will be short term pain without Savard. Best to trade him now than risk him getting hurt or losing a step next year.

Problem is that KH already stated that he's aiming for the playoff next season, so.... more short term pain is not in the plan. Best for Barron would be to take Kovasevich spot.

For me its the fact we'd also have to replace Savard with another veteran defenseman and if you wanr a defenseman who's on Savard's level, they would probably want a multi year deal. Unless someone is paying the moon for Savard, it makes more sense to keep him around till next year.

Very good point. fully agree with this.

Calgary has really been underwhelming with there trades. Had they been made on deadline day I'd understand but considering they moved Tanev, Lindholm and Zadorov before the deadline, I'd expect packages that would be hard to say no.

I have been wondering if Calgary would bite on Harris and give up a decent forward prospect for him.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Problem is that KH already stated that he's aiming for the playoff next season, so.... more short term pain is not in the plan. Best for Barron would be to take Kovasevich spot.


Very good point. fully agree with this.

Did Hughes actually say this? Is he going to attempt a shopping spree like Gainey and Bergevin did in their final days threw free agency? I just can’t see them going threw 3 years of pain just to desperately try and speed up the process if that’s even possible right now. The playoffs should only be a goal if the young players are taking the next step and driving them to be in that position.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Savard’s an important leadership piece and he’s not on an expiring contract.

It will likely take a 1st rounder to pry him away.

 

[Hannibal]

Again, i expect more of a hockey trade than anything else. Something ala Zegras but not necessary Zegras.

 

[HuGort]

I have no idea why people think Hughes is interested in trading Savard. He's the only RHD who can eat big minutes in the NHL in the Habs organization. The org is already wasting Guhle as a shutdown RD because of how shit the depth is at RHD. If Savard is traded and it's Harris or Struble who will be put on the right side. That's not what development is about, that's using scotch-tape to ice a line-up.

Plus Wifi really benefitting from playing with Savard.

 

[JianYang]

Saw this article about trading Allen for Campbell for a 1st.

NHL Notebook: Is Jake Allen a fit for the Oilers, and news on the Coyotes’ future ‘days or weeks’ away

The Edmonton Oilers' turnaround this year has been significant. From o...

oilersnation.com

To me that sounds WAY TOO LITTLE. I’d want a 1st, a very good prospect or two, and maybe another pick.

Allen is probably worth their 2nd, taking Campbell is at least worth a 1st, and saving their butts at the last minute is priceless. They could make some noise in the playoffs if they have their goalie situation solved.

I would take Holloway (if injuries aren’t a concern) or Broberg (i could see him break out in a new environment).

Jake Allen has no value. He's a giveaway at this point.

Why would anyone have confidence to make their playoff push for a guy who is playing like a #3 in a 3 goalie carousel.

 

[morhilane]

I dont think people are thinking that KH is trying to trade Savard, I think people read like you and I that there is a lot of interest from other teams in Savard. So they are having fun thinking what it would take to make a deal. heck... we have nothing else to discuss as we approach the TDL lol

That said, I agree I dont see why MTL should be looking at trading him right now. we dont have the peice to replace him and he's a good leader. That is why there is such a high price tag on him afterall.

I don't think a single 1st with 50% retention is a good enough price to move him.

Barron is going to need another kick at the can. Reinbacher and Mailloux are on their way (though not immediately). It will be short term pain without Savard. Best to trade him now than risk him getting hurt or losing a step next year.

Barron can barely play D at the AHL level right now. Mailloux is an adventure in his own zone as well. Neither of them will handle Savard's though minutes. Kovacevic can't handle Savard's minutes otherwise he would have more TOI. Reinbacher won't be some magical RHD defensive savior next season.

There is no requirement to try to "catch-in" on Savard, teams always have a few vets that survive the rebuild.

 

[McGees]

Did Hughes actually say this? Is he going to attempt a shopping spree like Gainey and Bergevin did in their final days threw free agency? I just can’t see them going threw 3 years of pain just to desperately try and speed up the process if that’s even possible right now. The playoffs should only be a goal if the young players are taking the next step and driving them to be in that position.

No - I think internally they want to make playoffs but I heard/read Hughes say that 2025 would be the UFA shopping kind of year as that’s when lots of deadweight is gone.

 

[donghabs98]

No - I think internally they want to make playoffs but I heard/read Hughes say that 2025 would be the UFA shopping kind of year as that’s when lots of deadweight is gone.

Yeah my sense is that they hope to be a bubble team next year/show progress and then when cap space opens up in 2025, thats when additions will be made. The UFA market isn't great this year anyways and this team isnt one or 2 additions away from the playoffs. Makes more sense to see where we are at after another season of development and more cap space. I'm a firm believer that we can't be a playoff team when so much cap is tied up to ineffective players (Anderson, Allen, Dvorak, Gallagher, Armia).

 

[Ozmodiar]

Jake Allen has no value. He's a giveaway at this point.

Why would anyone have confidence to make their playoff push for a guy who is playing like a #3 in a 3 goalie carousel.

Allen’s cap hit == Campbell’s buried penalty

The Oil could replace Pickard with Allen and save money. (More savings if habs retain to get a 1st)

Plus, Allen’s contract is up when Drai is due for a raise. Campbell’s is 2 extra seasons.

 

[Kosseca]

Did Hughes actually say this? Is he going to attempt a shopping spree like Gainey and Bergevin did in their final days threw free agency? I just can’t see them going threw 3 years of pain just to desperately try and speed up the process if that’s even possible right now. The playoffs should only be a goal if the young players are taking the next step and driving them to be in that position.

KH or Gorton said at the mid-season presser that the expectation for next year was to be more competitive. I dont think this mean going after UFA, it may be more a reflection of how he want to mold the team and be less patient with young players and aim to make hockey deal to plug holes

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

HuGo have all the leverage when it comes to Savard now, Tanev was the closest comparable to him and Walker will likely stay in Philly since they are in a playoff spot.

They will gladly keep Savard since he plays big minutes and is great with the young guys, while setting a very high asking price in case there is a desperate team at the deadline.

To help boost his value even more, they should get the media team to put together a compilation video of Savard doing that same deke that somehow works 99% of the time so they can also showcase his skillz.

 

[ML16]

Why?

Tanev is one year older than Savard.

Tanev has fewer career goals, fewer career assists, fewer career Playoff games, fewer career playoff series wins, 0 Cups versus 1 in 2021 (vindicating the recent investment in Savard by TBL)--- all this and a bigger cap hit before retention apples to apples.

Savard if retained down to $1.75M offers TWO cup runs to the buyer at an affordable hit and his age NEXT year will be what Tanev's is this year.

Fair point, seems I overestimated Tanev! (Probably spent too much time stalking the Flames’s board!)