HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[TheBuriedHab]

nvm I'm dumb Grushnikov is a defensive defenseman

 

[Vachon23]

With that trade, I don’t want to trade Savard and personally

 

[vokiel]

At which rank will our 1st round pick be worth Matvei Michkov? Is it 1st Overall? 2nd?

 

[McGees]

With no GM trading their 1st…Hopefully we can get the equivalent of 5 x Smilanics for Savard.

 

[sheed36]

If a late 2nd and a B level type prospect is the best teams offer up for Savard he'll still be a Hab after the deadline, which I expected to be the case anyway, since KH doesn't really seem like he wants to move Savard and Savard also wanting to stay.

Savard having the extra year on his contract might help (especially if the Habs use their last retention slot and retains 50%) but if KH does end up moving Savard it'll be on his terms and for a return he just couldn't say no to.

At the end of the day though I think big play Dave ends up staying a Hab but I guess we'll see soon here.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Tanev is UFA

I had both Tanev's up and was looking at the wrong one when I posted. Conroy should have waited longer to see if other GM's blinked. It's not like there are a lot of other defensemen available. Savard will go for more because Hughes doesn't have to trade him unless he gets an offer to good to pass up.

 

[CHwest]

Kent Hughes definitely would have got a first round pick

First round pick and an AAA prospect with retention.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

First round pick and an AAA prospect with retention.

I would think a 1st and a B prospect or a 2nd and an AAA prospect.

 

[CAUFIELD]

I still think that Savard is worth at least a late 1st , especially after the tanev trade .

Savard is younger
Cup winner
Not a rental

If the price is not met , we will gladly keep Savard and pair him with Xhekaj. Xhekaj seems to have improve a lot since he was paired with uncle Dave

 

[Agalloch]

Savard to Toronto for a 1st.

 

[Runner77]

Sampling of takes on Twitter has 2 camps emerging.

Those who like D’Amico believe that Savard’s stock has risen based on market scarcity:



Vs those who perceive Tanev as setting a value predecent for Savard:

 

[SwiftyHab]

Sampling of takes on Twitter has 2 camps emerging.

Those who like D’Amico believe that Savard’s stock has risen based on market scarcity:



Vs those who perceive Tanev as setting a value predecent for Savard:

Or door number 3:

The bundling option

 

[MD thaivuN]

I still think that Savard is worth at least a late 1st , especially after the tanev trade .

Savard is younger
Cup winner
Not a rental

If the price is not met , we will gladly keep Savard and pair him with Xhekaj. Xhekaj seems to have improve a lot since he was paired with uncle Dave

That part is a negative for the modern NHL trade

 

[Ezpz]

I'd still sell Savard. We need cap this summer to make more moves. There's still a ton of teams walking into the off-season with no cap room even with the increase, so it opens the potential for another Monahan-style trade.

 

[Whitesnake]

Not that it's exciting...but I will be really surprise if Grushnikov do not end up in the NHL. Yeah, we are talking probably as bottom 2....but a damn reliable one. And great on the PK. His skating and agility and defensive play are just great.

 

[Simarino]

That part is a negative for the modern NHL trade

If you retain 50%, next year at 1.7M is a big positive

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Rather keep Savard than trade him for a 2nd. 3rd and B prospect. He's good player, important leader on team.

You know Oilers, Toronto and what other teams looking for defense help could have beat Dallas offer. They wouldn't so you know not getting much for Savard

Agree. Nothing less than a first.

If anything we have too many picks prospects. We need to start packaging them together.

 

[Runner77]

Or door number 3:

The bundling option

Well, if Savard needs to be bundled to get what he can’t fetch on his own, then to me that’s a subset of the Tanev valuation option. Points for creativity.

 

[ML16]

Using our last 2024 retention slot PLUS our second of three 2025 retention spots makes sense only if we get a first-plus for Savard or a 2nd for Allen or Armia

If those trades are not available, we can use a 2024-only slot to broker a deal. We have a TON of cap space (over $15M) because Wideman, Dach and Dvorak can go on LTIR. So in addition to brokering a deal with retention, we can broker more with full cap space by taking on a big expiring dump.

Good point, I too believe that the Habs retaining on Guentzel or any other high paid UFA-to-be in a 3-way trade is the likeliest scenario, especially considering that a 1st for Savard seems farfetched in light of the Tanev trade…

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Good point, I too believe that the Habs retaining on Guentzel or any other high paid UFA-to-be in a 3-way trade is the likeliest scenario, especially considering that a 1st for Savard seems farfetched in light of the Tanev trade…

The Tanev trade shows GM's don't have the guts to go for it. Now that he is gone some GM may cave and pony up for Savard.

 

[sampollock]

If the price is weak for Savard, then keep him.

 

[domiwroze]

I'll die on this hill and fight anyone : We should keep Savard and cash in on Matheson instead.

fight me.
Savard is great for the kids, Matheson isn't bad per say, but he isn't the big responsible brother on the ice that sacrifice himself for the cause. You need that.

Trading Savard for a 2nd + B prospect isn't worth it at all, specially when we could just get that same value next year out of him if needed.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I'll die on this hill and fight anyone : We should keep Savard and cash in on Matheson instead.

fight me.
Savard is great for the kids, Matheson isn't bad per say, but he isn't the big responsible brother on the ice that sacrifice himself for the cause. You need that.

Trading Savard for a 2nd + B prospect isn't worth it at all, specially when we could just get that same value next year out of him if needed.

That won't happen. It would be 1st + b prospect level or he won't move. A price that Hughes can go to Savard and tell him the offer was just too much to turn down because it fit right in with the plan.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I like the return for Calgary. They obviously like the prospect, who is in his first year in the AHL, defensive defenseman. I don't see how a pick around 25-30 is better than what they got.

 

[BaseballCoach]

This would 'set the market' and should double the value of Dvorak from a 7th to a 6th.