HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[BaseballCoach]

I'll die on this hill and fight anyone : We should keep Savard and cash in on Matheson instead.

fight me.
Savard is great for the kids, Matheson isn't bad per say, but he isn't the big responsible brother on the ice that sacrifice himself for the cause. You need that.

Trading Savard for a 2nd + B prospect isn't worth it at all, specially when we could just get that same value next year out of him if needed.

I would not go for a 2nd plus B prospect, that's too low for me, but it is not certain that Savard's value will hold another year to the TDL 2025. We have seen with Allen, Edmundson, Petry, even Andeson how fast values can drop sometmes.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Good point, I too believe that the Habs retaining on Guentzel or any other high paid UFA-to-be in a 3-way trade is the likeliest scenario, especially considering that a 1st for Savard seems farfetched in light of the Tanev trade…

Why?

Tanev is one year older than Savard.

Tanev has fewer career goals, fewer career assists, fewer career Playoff games, fewer career playoff series wins, 0 Cups versus 1 in 2021 (vindicating the recent investment in Savard by TBL)--- all this and a bigger cap hit before retention apples to apples.

Savard if retained down to $1.75M offers TWO cup runs to the buyer at an affordable hit and his age NEXT year will be what Tanev's is this year.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Rather keep Savard than trade him for a 2nd. 3rd and B prospect. He's good player, important leader on team.

You know Oilers, Toronto and what other teams looking for defense help could have beat Dallas offer. They wouldn't so you know not getting much for Savard

The Flames weren’t going to deal with the Oilers, especially if it meant giving them a piece that would potentially win them the cup, so that’s one team out of the mix.

Vancouver was reportedly quite interested but already dealt their 1st for Lindholm, and their second was moved a couple years ago, so they were out of the mix.

Toronto also offered up a package (which didn’t include a first) but apparently Conroy liked the Dallas deal better. A second, a young prospect drafted in the second round (and a conditional 3rd) isn’t a bad return for an oft injured UFA vet, Conroy didn’t have a lot of leverage here.

I don’t think this means that Savard doesn’t have decent value or won’t be a sought after commodity. He’s on a relatively cheap deal and has another year left, so the team acquiring him would be getting two potential playoff runs. And he’s won it all, he knows what it takes to win. When you combine that with being extremely steady, I think this only helps Savard’s overall value.

 

[Draft]

At which rank will our 1st round pick be worth Matvei Michkov? Is it 1st Overall? 2nd?

If our pick was below 4 I’d probably take that deal… but he really hasn’t addressed any of the issues he had in his draft year. While he’s a great prospect, the hype has gotten a bit out of hand.

 

[HuGort]

The Flames weren’t going to deal with the Oilers, especially if it meant giving them a piece that would potentially win them the cup, so that’s one team out of the mix.

Vancouver was reportedly quite interested but already dealt their 1st for Lindholm, and their second was moved a couple years ago, so they were out of the mix.

Toronto also offered up a package (which didn’t include a first) but apparently Conroy liked the Dallas deal better. A second, a young prospect drafted in the second round (and a conditional 3rd) isn’t a bad return for an oft injured UFA vet, Conroy didn’t have a lot of leverage here.

I don’t think this means that Savard doesn’t have decent value or won’t be a sought after commodity. He’s on a relatively cheap deal and has another year left, so the team acquiring him would be getting two potential playoff runs. And he’s won it all, he knows what it takes to win. When you combine that with being extremely steady, I think this only helps Savard’s overall value.

There were half dozen teams after Tanev. Any one of them could have topped Stars offer. Not just Oilers. You not getting much for Savard. Better off keeping him.

 

[HuGort]

Allen has career .908% save Percentage in 400+ NHL games. He is solid backup. Habs retain half, lowering his caphit to 1.9 they should get about a 2nd. Albeit in weak draft.

Habs also need to clear that 3 goalie monster up before end of season. To give Primeau an honest look to get better look at what we have in him for future.

 

[Adam Michaels]

And Bourque.

I named Bourque

 

[WeThreeKings]

Savard will be staying if that's the Tanev return.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'd still sell Savard. We need cap this summer to make more moves. There's still a ton of teams walking into the off-season with no cap room even with the increase, so it opens the potential for another Monahan-style trade.

??? We will have over 15 millions of free cap space with a full line-up, not sure why we would need another 3 millions.

 

[HuGort]

Savard will be staying if that's the Tanev return.

Yup, Savard more value to us than he will fetch in trade market

??? We will have over 15 millions of free cap space with a full line-up, not sure why we would need another 3 millions.

What? This summer? 15 million cap space?

 

[Egresch]

Savard will be staying if that's the Tanev return.

Agree, I see higher probability of Kovacevic trade. He is not a mentor nor the future core.
His solid play and one more year of super cheap contract might attract some interest.
Kovy + 4th for 2nd

 

[Egresch]

What? This summer? 15 million cap space?

He is right, with Carey on LTIR we will have around 15M cap space and we still might be able to move some of Allen/Armia/Anderson/Dvorak/Harris.

 

[CaptainKirk]

With no GM trading their 1st…Hopefully we can get the equivalent of 5 x Smilanics for Savard.

A similitude of Smilanics for Savard? Sexy.

 

[HuGort]

Foolish to trade Savard this year. Can't retain on him. We have to retain on Allen. Allen unmovable if we don't. Nobody pay 4 million for backup.

Get more for Savard next year when we can retain. Plus get another year out of him.

 

[vokiel]

This might double the value of Dvorak from a 7th to a 6th.

Doubling Dvorak's value does not change it: Value is 0, times 2, equals 0.

 

[jrom]

Allen has career .908% save Percentage in 400+ NHL games. He is solid backup. Habs retain half, lowering his caphit to 1.9 they should get about a 2nd. Albeit in weak draft.

Habs also need to clear that 3 goalie monster up before end of season. To give Primeau an honest look to get better look at what we have in him for future.

Maybe it’s Primeau that ends up leaving, I don’t think he’s in the plans long term.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Maybe it’s Primeau that ends up leaving, I don’t think he’s in the plans long term.

Take it with a grain of salt, but Dans Les Coulisses said not long ago that Columbus tried to acquire Primeau earlier in the year, but Hughes judged that the offer was insufficient.

 

[Kwikwi]

Wake up Gally!
McDavid wins it in OT. Another three point game. He now averages over one point-per-game against every team in the NHL. Blues were the last team. He now has 24 pts in 23 games v. Blues.

 

[sampollock]

There were half dozen teams after Tanev. Any one of them could have topped Stars offer. Not just Oilers. You not getting much for Savard. Better off keeping him.

looks that way.. keep him then give him away. funny the laughs could not get him

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Savard will be staying if that's the Tanev return.

Yup, and Walker isn't getting a 1st, which is a stupid ask for him anyway. He's not a top 4D.

 

[Hannibal]

Savard won’t be traded.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I named Bourque

True. guess I expected Johnston to be there but he has already made the show.

Foolish to trade Savard this year. Can't retain on him. We have to retain on Allen. Allen unmovable if we don't. Nobody pay 4 million for backup.

Get more for Savard next year when we can retain. Plus get another year out of him.

They won't retain on Allen. Return won't be worth it. They'll take cap dump back.

 

[OpenIceHit]

The current standings not favorable this year. With the wildcard teams being at least 5 pts ahead of other teams, there may be more sellers at the trade deadline.

 

[HuGort]

True. guess I expected Johnston to be there but he has already made the show.


They won't retain on Allen. Return won't be worth it. They'll take cap dump back.

Oh yeah, that doesn't solve anything. Just have another bad contract

 

[CDN24]

Savard will be staying if that's the Tanev return.

You are probably right.

That said 2 days before the Chiarot trade in 2022, Josh Manson was traded for the exact Tanev return (a 2nd plus a D-Man drafted in the late 40s 2 years before). It did not preclude a 1st for Chiarot. If any previous trade keeps us from getting a 1st for Savard its probably the Chiarot trade

If we want to move Savard (not sure we should) a Cap strapped team like Leafs or Bolts may give up a 1st to get him for 2 runs with max retention.

That said we don't have many retention spots. if we use this one on Savard or Allen its tied up until end of next year like the petry one. Then only one available (the edmundson one that frees up) next year to use on Armia or DVO or even Allen in offseason.

Like the pittsburg 2nd rounder but not liking the loss of that retention spot for 2 years