HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[HuGort]

I didn’t and everyone on here gave me shit for saying he was a diva who quits on his teams

Same guys who want Zegras now.

 

[Garry Valk]

Does the Habs needs another ~65 pts complementary forward?

… he scored more points last year than anyone currently on the roster ever has.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I have a bad feeling that leafs will go far this playoffs.

If they were playing like they were earlier and squeaked in, absolutely, but when they play well everyone expects more and they let everyone down

 

[John B]

Larry Brooks says rumour is Canes shipping Necas. Do we take a swing?

Seen some rumors about him too. Sounds like they are dangling him for a big fish type help. To be more specific, I read that they were looking for a scoring winger. I don't think the Habs have anything like that to offer for him that wouldn't hurt the team's future. It didn't sound like the Canes were looking for picks or prospects for him.

 

[vokiel]

Larry Brooks says rumour is Canes shipping Necas. Do we take a swing?

I would. He would cost less than Zegras that's for sure. Does he have the skill set to slot 2C with our team for a while though?

 

[Weltschmerz]

Larry Brooks says rumour is Canes shipping Necas. Do we take a swing?

At Larry Brooks? I heared you can meet him at the bus stop.

 

[neil2005]

Hopefully Habs are one of those teams inquiring

 

[The Real Timo]

It would require a lot of zebra help in my sometimes wrong--mostly to my wife--opinion. Most contenders have two d pairings that are elite and can contain or slow down top lines, and the Leafs don't even have two full good lines. They're just not built for playoff hockey. We're at a point now where I don't think their fourth best guy, Tavares, would be our best forward anymore. I'm not sure he'd be our second best anymore either. Next year I'd say he'd pretty firmly be on our second line in terms of talent.

Bertuzzi made a huge mistake not signing a long term deal and betting playing in Toronto would boost his numbers, but it's clear they only give favourable minutes to the big three and a half. He and Domi aren't useful in depth roles. After that you have Knies and five AHLers.

Their goalies aren't the type to steal anything except their contract money from the organization. Their D are actually, legitimately, worse than ours. They're regularly playing a guy who couldn't make the OIlers D, and then couldn't make it here even worse than he couldn't make the OIlers D and then played an entire season in the AHL with zero offers. It's not their fault of course, Muzzin retiring early hurt them a lot, but they did bet on a lot of retired racehorses to carry them in Brodie, Giordano, Muzzin and Klingberg so it should have been expected to bite them in the ass eventually.

I do think they'll be better next year, as I see some of their depth guys like Knies and Robertson taking steps forward, but the clock is ticking on the prime of the elite players.

I am less bullish on Matthews and maybe I'm a hater, but he seemingly destroys non-playoff teams for the majority of his multi-goal games. Every one of his hat tricks have been on teams that won't be in the playoffs. I'll use that language since Philly are currently in a spot but he scored on them after the Hart thing where they've been on a massive downswing.

Nylander also cooled off a fair bit after his extension was inked.

Marner was having a down year until a few weeks ago before going over 2 ppg in the last 9 games.

I just don't see it with them. I feel like their schtick works in the regular season where one big player takes over a few games then the next one does and they just coast into the playoffs based on that. None of them seem to handle physicality well and they're basically facing either Florida or Boston in the first round.

Who knows though? They're beating the conspiracy theory drum pretty hard this year so maybe they'll be ref immune in the playoffs and get tons of calls.

This made me feel a little better. Thanks.

 

[Ezpz]

This made me feel a little better. Thanks.

If the worst comes to pass I've got a nice bottle of Chinese bai jiu (white "wine" around 52-60% alcohol) from Luzhou sitting on my shelf for emergencies to forget all about it.

 

[dinodebino]

Do we need offence ASAP though? What's likely to hold us back from competing next year is actually likely to be the D. Our offence has for the most part been ok since our top line started to produce. If you then add Dach and Newhook who missed most of the past 20+ games plus potentially even more development for Slaf and maybe a guy like Roy or Heineman adding depth scoring over the likes of Armia then offence doesn't seem like it would be a major issue.

What has been an issue has been the GAs, during that same period we were 4th worst in the NHL, and are 6th worst over the whole season. And next year probably isn't going to be better, Savard might get traded, we'll potentially be integrating more rookies since Hutson, Mailloux, and Reinbacher will all be pushing for NHL time.

Getting help for the top-6 will be nice to do, and certainly something we have to do if we want to be contenders. But talking competing for the playoffs it's just not likely to be the biggest hurdle we face next year. So waiting 1-2 years for that top-6 F is actually ideal for us since that gives our young D the time/experience they need to come into their own and gives us the best cap efficiency for when we need it the most since Slaf, Dach, Guhle, and probably Xhekaj will all be getting paid top dollars so having an ELC come in then is the perfect moment.

Also having a much better idea of what you have in Zegras compared to Eiserman also hurts Zegras because some of that much better idea is bad.

It’s not the players; it’s the system. Put a sound, zone D system with this team and it would be much better.

 

[dinodebino]

That’s our buddy?

 

[dinodebino]

has this clown banned banned from HF, slaming us posters?

He’s got a grand total of 42 followers. Don’t think he’s getting read much.

 

[dinodebino]

If the worst comes to pass I've got a nice bottle of Chinese bai jiu (white "wine" around 52-60% alcohol) from Luzhou sitting on my shelf for emergencies to forget all about it.

Absolutely disgusting alcohol! How can you drink that!?! And it smells like shit too!!!

 

[Bacchus1]

Absolutely disgusting alcohol! How can you drink that!?! And it smells like shit too!!!

It helps him forget. You want to forget smelly disgusting things. Lol

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

That’s our buddy?

Yes sir, he's talking to himself on Twitter now. We HF peasants didn't deserve him.

 

[Heffyhoof]

LMAO you mean this one??



If only we listened to him.

One of my many troll warnings was for calling him out for being a smug self-loving poster. I had said someone along the lines of "it's ridiculous that we all have to play pretend with certain posters that we know are posting in bad faith."

Dude was so obviously in love with himself and his own opinion it was revolting. It was always plain as day he was one of those posters who think they are really really smart and that everyone around them is blessed just to hear their worthless opinion.

 

[Miller Time]

It’s not the players; it’s the system. Put a sound, zone D system with this team and it would be much better.

Of course the immediate results would be better... Zone d concepts are much easier to play and vastly improve your odds when you have a talent deficit.

Immediate results is not what this organization is prioritizing. For good reason imo

 

[HuGort]

That’s our buddy?

He extended Allen. Should have traded him though.

 

[Kimota]

200 pages on PLD last year...he goes somewhere else, signs an 8 year deal, plays like trash....
AND PEOPLE STILL TALKING ABOUT GETTING HIM!!!!

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BECAUSE WE STILL SUCK!!!!

 

[Guy Larose]

He extended Allen. Should have traded him though.

No.

 

[BergevinBurner]

He extended Allen. Should have traded him though.

When he extended Allen we needed a starter locked up. Montembeault looked like a mediocre backup back then and Primeau looked horrendous every chance he had in the NHL up to that point.

 

[26Mats]

When he extended Allen we needed a starter locked up. Montembeault looked like a mediocre backup back then and Primeau looked horrendous every chance he had in the NHL up to that point.

Yes, there was always the risk it would turn out as it did. But Hughes wanted good stability in net for the young guys to be playing in front of.

In the end Allen's play has gone down, and Montembault's up. And it's Montembault's surge up that really makes Allen dispensable. Because we don't need him to step in as number one in case Montembault flounders. We can just go with Sam and get a cheap backup. So now, if we trade Allen and Primeau flounders, we can just get a different backup. I'm fine with giving Primeau the backup, but if I had to put money on it, I think he won't cut it. But hopefully he sharpens up with the right amount of playing time. I'd be fine sending either Primeau or Allen to Laval though, or even the east coast league if we want to keep rolling with the current tandem in Laval..

 

[therocket9]

When he extended Allen we needed a starter locked up. Montembeault looked like a mediocre backup back then and Primeau looked horrendous every chance he had in the NHL up to that point.

Montembeault still looks mediocre cannot ever make the playoffs until Hughes gets a #1 goalie.....Monty does not have to be Price but he at least has to put up Alex Lyon numbers.

 

[Ezpz]

Absolutely disgusting alcohol! How can you drink that!?! And it smells like shit too!!!

There are varying qualities from the less than a dollar bottle to the ten thousand dollar bottle. Nothing else makes you that drunk.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Montembeault still looks mediocre cannot ever make the playoffs until Hughes gets a #1 goalie.....Monty does not have to be Price but he at least has to put up Alex Lyon numbers.

Montembault’s looked very good the last couple of seasons given what he’s had to work with. He’d look a lot better on a team that isn’t a tire fire. We have no stars, no depth at forward, no defence. Goaltending is the least of our worries.