HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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But we need a start not a top 6 player that's the thing. Will Zegras be a star? You seem to be sure of it. I'm not. Let's revisit this in 10 years maybe your right maybe i am will see.

My opinion on this is Zegras has higher % of turning into a star vs the 5-7 range pick. My gut tells me both end up equal talent but Zegras is a need that fills a hole now vs later when Suzuki and Caufield are approaching age 30.

Do you think we are getting a star with the 5-7 range pick in this draft? I don't. And yes, the trade happens after the draft lottery (of course).
 

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My opinion on this is Zegras has higher % of turning into a star vs the 5-7 range pick. My gut tells me both end up equal talent but Zegras is a need that fills a hole now vs later when Suzuki and Caufield are approaching age 30.

Do you think we are getting a star with the 5-7 range pick in this draft? I don't. And yes, the trade happens after the draft lottery (of course).
If anything the trade happens when our pick comes on the floor, it’d be based on if our guy is still available
 

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If anything the trade happens when our pick comes on the floor, it’d be based on if our guy is still available

I doubt we have a specific target this time around. The clutter on D in our pool is going to create BPA dilemma issues.... especially with all the D available in this top 10.

I think Gorton/Hughes are looking at our age core. Differences between Suzuki's age and Reinbacher. I'd definitely consider flipping our pick for Zegras after the lottery. Would make our decision easy if we win #1 OA though :)... Celebrate time
 

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Out of the 32 cities in the NHL, I would argue Montreal is pretty attractive. I don't know when is the last time you traveled in North America but you can go to NY and LA if you want but they aren't half as glamorous as they used to be.

Raleigh, Buffalo, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg, San Jose, Philly and Pittsburgh aren't exactly gems of urbanism, Columbus f***ing Ohio, New jersey is whatever as **** and finally Arizona....

It's clearly that you have not been to most of those places.
 

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Zegras is not really young. He'll turn 23 in a few weeks. Most offensive forwards whose game is based on skills enter their prime at 24.

This is mostly (but definitely not always) true, but its important to consider what that actually means.

If we're looking at how most models come to that conclusion, they look at stuff like 5v5 points per 60, expected goals and all in one stats (like Game Score). And generally the peak is on the offensive side of things. And the peaks that Zegras has shown are significant. His zone entry and playmaking stats are very impressive and his 5v5 production is that of a first liner on a bad team, better than anyone the Habs have on the roster. Zegras doesn't necessarily need to improve offensively, he needs to have a better role on a PP and become better defensively. Which frequently happens later for guys.

Like, the difference between Suzuki being a 60ish point player and an 80ish point player isn't so much on him, but on him playing with players who are actually good.
 
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Well if we are 8th and at 5th Demidov or Lindstrom is sitting there, I think they'll make the move.

I truly believe they are going to try to work whatever they need to in order to secure one of Lindstrom or Demidov.
That would be nice, and if a team wants Guhle as part of our package, including our own pick and another prospect, that’s also acceptable to me. This is probably our last draft for a while with a top 10 pick to offer.
 
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Because you're going to have to wait a year or two to add them to your lineup. By all accounts, Habs want to start competing next year and need the offence ASAP.

Also, you have a much better idea of what you have in Zegras than you do in a 7-10 forward.
Do we need offence ASAP though? What's likely to hold us back from competing next year is actually likely to be the D. Our offence has for the most part been ok since our top line started to produce. If you then add Dach and Newhook who missed most of the past 20+ games plus potentially even more development for Slaf and maybe a guy like Roy or Heineman adding depth scoring over the likes of Armia then offence doesn't seem like it would be a major issue.

What has been an issue has been the GAs, during that same period we were 4th worst in the NHL, and are 6th worst over the whole season. And next year probably isn't going to be better, Savard might get traded, we'll potentially be integrating more rookies since Hutson, Mailloux, and Reinbacher will all be pushing for NHL time.

Getting help for the top-6 will be nice to do, and certainly something we have to do if we want to be contenders. But talking competing for the playoffs it's just not likely to be the biggest hurdle we face next year. So waiting 1-2 years for that top-6 F is actually ideal for us since that gives our young D the time/experience they need to come into their own and gives us the best cap efficiency for when we need it the most since Slaf, Dach, Guhle, and probably Xhekaj will all be getting paid top dollars so having an ELC come in then is the perfect moment.

Also having a much better idea of what you have in Zegras compared to Eiserman also hurts Zegras because some of that much better idea is bad.
 

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That would be nice, and if a team wants Guhle or Logan M. as part of our package, including our own pick and another prospect, that’s also acceptable to me. This is probably our last draft for a while with a top 10 pick to offer.

I don't think I'd do either Guhle or Logan Mailloux with our high 1st to move up for those guys.. that would be a little too heavy.

Usually it's a high 2nd and another pick to move from like 7 to 5, so we don't have a high 2nd, but we have the WPG 1st.
 

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I doubt we have a specific target this time around. The clutter on D in our pool is going to create BPA dilemma issues.... especially with all the D available in this top 10.

I think Gorton/Hughes are looking at our age core. Differences between Suzuki's age and Reinbacher. I'd definitely consider flipping our pick for Zegras after the lottery. Would make our decision easy if we win #1 OA though :)... Celebrate time
We aren’t trading a top 10 pick during a rebuild for a 60 point forward that currently has 7 points in 20 games this season and will be looking for a big contract in a year or two just because he can do the Michigan a couple of times a year. Wake up.
 

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I don't think I'd do either Guhle or Logan Mailloux with our high 1st to move up for those guys.. that would be a little too heavy.

Usually it's a high 2nd and another pick to move from like 7 to 5, so we don't have a high 2nd, but we have the WPG 1st.
Let me be clear, including Guhle would mean we’d be getting something else back too aside from just the chance to draft Demidov or Lindstrom.
 

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If anything the trade happens when our pick comes on the floor, it’d be based on if our guy is still available
Yeah exactly. In all of my "get Zegras!" posts, this is what I'm keeping in mind. Don't just trade willy-nilly but yeah, if there are no intriguing options at 7 that you are 100% going for then absolutely use the pick.
 

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Why? I think a contract spot freed is actually better... We have lots of projects on the farm.
Pezzetta Ylonen Pearson and White are in the lineup and Roy could go help Laval. We sure can use a player ready for a new start

Interested parties don't believe David Savard wants to leave Montreal.
And I would keep him. He plays tough minutes and help a lot everyone in the room. I would bank on Matheson great season before trading Savarc
 
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