HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

from Brian Wilde this morning:

"Montreal is not going to win enough games either until they add some top prospect scorers like Jiri Kulich, Matthew Savoie, or Noah Ostlund. Buffalo definitely doesn’t want to lose any of those players. Montreal doesn’t want to lose Harris or Struble either. Montreal wouldn’t want to have to throw in a first rounder too, but they may have to.

The bottom line is the Canadiens have an overabundance of defenders, and defenders and centres are the hottest commodities on the trading market. If not Buffalo, there are a number of other clubs who need to strengthen their defence."

Call of the Wilde: Montreal Canadiens fall to the Buffalo Sabres - Montreal | Globalnews.ca

Montreal has 12 NHL potential defenders. Eventually, they will have to decide on which top-eight rearguards to keep, and which four to trade.

globalnews.ca

Don't know what the f*** he's talking about, everyone should be fine with moving on from Harris.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

from Brian Wilde this morning:

"Montreal is not going to win enough games either until they add some top prospect scorers like Jiri Kulich, Matthew Savoie, or Noah Ostlund. Buffalo definitely doesn’t want to lose any of those players. Montreal doesn’t want to lose Harris or Struble either. Montreal wouldn’t want to have to throw in a first rounder too, but they may have to.

The bottom line is the Canadiens have an overabundance of defenders, and defenders and centres are the hottest commodities on the trading market. If not Buffalo, there are a number of other clubs who need to strengthen their defence."

Call of the Wilde: Montreal Canadiens fall to the Buffalo Sabres - Montreal | Globalnews.ca

Montreal has 12 NHL potential defenders. Eventually, they will have to decide on which top-eight rearguards to keep, and which four to trade.

globalnews.ca

None of those Sabres are exciting enough to offer a big package. Harris or Kovacevic and the Jets 1st is big enough. Or just Harris and Kovacevic.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

None of those Sabres are exciting enough to offer a big package. Harris or Kovacevic and the Jets 1st is big enough. Or just Harris and Kovacevic.

You're not getting former top 15 draft picks for fringe d-men.

 

[Vachon23]

Harris not returning much imo. I think you are right.

He’s talking about the player we will draft with our pick

 

[Miller Time]

from Brian Wilde this morning:

"Montreal is not going to win enough games either until they add some top prospect scorers like Jiri Kulich, Matthew Savoie, or Noah Ostlund. Buffalo definitely doesn’t want to lose any of those players. Montreal doesn’t want to lose Harris or Struble either. Montreal wouldn’t want to have to throw in a first rounder too, but they may have to.

The bottom line is the Canadiens have an overabundance of defenders, and defenders and centres are the hottest commodities on the trading market. If not Buffalo, there are a number of other clubs who need to strengthen their defence."

Call of the Wilde: Montreal Canadiens fall to the Buffalo Sabres - Montreal | Globalnews.ca

Montreal has 12 NHL potential defenders. Eventually, they will have to decide on which top-eight rearguards to keep, and which four to trade.

globalnews.ca

None of those prospects really moves the needle for me as far as anything more than a lateral swap for a D not named Lane, David or Logan.

If we're packaging a 1st, it's gotta be for a young player already established as an NHLer & closer (1-2 yrs tops) to becoming an impact NHLer. Those guys are yrs away from that IF they make it... Same timeframes as Beck, Mesar, Kidney, Rohrer et. Roy is already ahead & may well turn out a better pro than all 3

You're not getting former top 15 draft picks for fringe d-men.

Meh
Draft status is irrelevant at this point

 

[Le Barron de HF]

None of those prospects really moves the needle for me as far as anything more than a lateral swap for a D not named Lane, David or Logan.

If we're packaging a 1st, it's gotta be for a young player already established as an NHLer & closer (1-2 yrs tops) to becoming an impact NHLer. Those guys are yrs away from that IF they make it... Same timeframes as Beck, Mesar, Kidney, Rohrer et. Roy is already ahead & may well turn out a better pro than all 3


Meh
Draft status is irrelevant at this point

Sure but it's not like these prospects have not shown signs of progression. Only Savoie you could make argument for but he's also highest draftee of the bunch.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I think Harris gets traded in the future, but I don't see Hughes trading him anytime soon. Harris was one of our most consistent D last year, however he has struggled for most of this year and has dealt with some injuries so I can't see his value being very high at the moment.

Hughes has been firm with wanting his asking prices met since taking over, so I think in Harris' case Hughes will be fine with keeping him for now until Harris improves his play or someone overpays for him which is unlikely with how he's played this year.

 

[LaP]

Basu and Godin say Zegras at 6th overall pick nah - but if Habs pick around 10 they'd do it.
Also suggest that they aren't sure he is even the type of player Hughes would want.

No way i give a 6th overall pick for Zegras in what is a good top 10 this year. Zegras was drafted 9th and i don't think his value increased since then. He had two 60 points seasons playing on a losing team with no concept of team defense and he's struggling this year. No way a team give a top 5ish this year for him i would be shocked. I'll take my chances with Demidov thank you. I would not even trade Iginla for him honestly.

 

[Naslundforever]

He’s talking about the player we will draft with our pick

Ah! lol I read that as a need to add to get a top 6 winger cheers

 

[Tyson]

No way i give a 6th overall pick for Zegras in what is a good top 10 this year. Zegras was drafted 9th and i don't think his value increased since then. He had two 60 points seasons playing on a losing team with no concept of team defense and he's struggling this year. No way a team give a top 5ish this year for him i would be shocked. I'll take my chances with Demidov thank you. I would not even trade Iginla for him honestly.

Yeah the top 10 in this draft are upper tier level prospects. No way I move that pick unless we get an absolute stud in return...Zegras ain't it

 

[Vachon23]

He had two 60 points

The chances that the player you draft can produce like that 4 years after you draft him are extremely low and he’s not the first and not the last to struggle with issues and injuries during 1 season.

Personally I wouldn’t do it because he’s not my type of player and we already have Caufield as unidimensionnel player but he’s 100 % worth that

 

[LaP]

The chances that the player you draft can produce like that 4 years after you draft him are extremely low and he’s not the first and not the last to struggle with issues and injuries during 1 season.

Personally I wouldn’t do it because he’s not my type of player and we already have Caufield as unidimensionnel player but he’s 100 % worth that

This year top 10 is filled with guys having this potential and more. The time it will take to develop him doesn't matter to us. The top 10 is simply too strong to trade the pick for a guys having lot of flaws to his game.

 

[salbutera]

No way i give a 6th overall pick for Zegras in what is a good top 10 this year. Zegras was drafted 9th and i don't think his value increased since then. He had two 60 points seasons playing on a losing team with no concept of team defense and he's struggling this year. No way a team give a top 5ish this year for him i would be shocked. I'll take my chances with Demidov thank you. I would not even trade Iginla for him honestly.

Yet over last 10-years Zegras ranks 8th in points during ELC only topped by the likes of McDavid, Draisaitl, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Barzal, Aho..

Not shabby company.. how many of above were not on “losing teams with no concept of team defense” during their ELC?

 

[Vachon23]

This year top 10 is filled with guys having this potential and more. The time it will take to develop him doesn't matter to us. The top 10 is simply too strong to trade the pick for a guys having lot of flaws to his game.

You just said it, the potential to maybe become as good as Zegras but they are chances he never become as good

 

[LaP]

You just said it, the potential to maybe become as good as Zegras but they are chances he never become as good

Zegras is still potential. He's not a dominant player who will lead a team yet which is what we need. If you think he is this guy right now then imo you are greatly mistaken. If you acquire Zegras it's with the hope he progress if he remains who he is it's likely a bad trade. The league is "filled" with 60 point weak defensive guys. It's nothing special. He'll turn 23 in a couple of weeks and has not shown signs of progression there's legitimate reasons to be worried.

 

[salbutera]

Zegras is still potential. He's not a dominant player who will lead a team yet which is what we need. If you think he is this guy right now then imo you are greatly mistaken. If you acquire Zegras it's with the hope he progress if he remains who he is it's likely a bad trade lik.

If Zegras is traded for it’s not “hope”, MSL coached him, knows him and his parents intimately via the MidFairfield elite program, as does Hughes

Zegras’ father runs hockey ops for MidFairfield presently, and Trevor is there at every given opportunity working with the kids

 

[Vachon23]

Zegras is still potential. He's not a dominant player who will lead a team yet which is what we need. If you think he is this guy right now then imo you are greatly mistaken. If you acquire Zegras it's with the hope he progress if he remains who he is it's likely a bad trade lik. The league is filled with 60 point weak defensive guys. It's nothing special.

The chances that the player you draft will be dominant are not high either. And I do think Zegras is gonna be a PPG player

Like I said I wouldn’t do it because he’s not the type of player I’m looking for but that’s his value for sure

 

[sampollock]

from Brian Wilde this morning:

"Montreal is not going to win enough games either until they add some top prospect scorers like Jiri Kulich, Matthew Savoie, or Noah Ostlund. Buffalo definitely doesn’t want to lose any of those players. Montreal doesn’t want to lose Harris or Struble either. Montreal wouldn’t want to have to throw in a first rounder too, but they may have to.

The bottom line is the Canadiens have an overabundance of defenders, and defenders and centres are the hottest commodities on the trading market. If not Buffalo, there are a number of other clubs who need to strengthen their defence."

Call of the Wilde: Montreal Canadiens fall to the Buffalo Sabres - Montreal | Globalnews.ca

Montreal has 12 NHL potential defenders. Eventually, they will have to decide on which top-eight rearguards to keep, and which four to trade.

globalnews.ca

wilde is rambling.. we all know that they need scoring
how about give us a scoop please?? oh ya he can't he is a local talking head that guesses like we do

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I'd flip Matheson in a second this summer if people are inquiring

I know its not a popular take on here.

And its not a trade everybody nearing 30 that has a pulse thing either because I wouldn't mind keeping Savard around

 

[BergevinBurner]

I'd flip Matheson in a second this summer if people are inquiring

I know its not a popular take on here.

And its not a trade everybody nearing 30 that has a pulse thing either because I wouldn't mind keeping Savard around

I'd move him this deadline if the right offer comes up. He's coming off back to back career years and this is probably the highest his value will ever be.

He turns 30 in a few days and defensemen that rely heavily on their skating tend to age pretty poorly into their early 30s.

 

[G0bias]

Coming out of the summer with Demidov/Lindstrom and Peterka/Mittelstadt would be Slaf+Dach level good

 

[salbutera]

I'd move him this deadline if the right offer comes up. He's coming off back to back career years and this is probably the highest his value will ever be.

He turns 30 in a few days and defensemen that rely heavily on their skating tend to age pretty poorly into their early 30s.

What is the right offer? A late 1st round pick isn’t worth it to the Habs IMO, given none of the young D are ready to up their TOI to over 20 per game

 

[HuGort]

I would trade Matheson I'd deal is right. Given way Wifi been playing. Hutson be here soon. Struble playing well also.

 

[ginomini]

This year top 10 is filled with guys having this potential and more. The time it will take to develop him doesn't matter to us. The top 10 is simply too strong to trade the pick for a guys having lot of flaws to his game.

You say that and yet, Zegras was drafted 9th in a much stronger draft year. Especially for forwards. 2019 was seen as a potentially just as good as 2015 and 2003 before the draft.

You may not want Zegras, but his value is definitely a top 10 pick +.

 

[xposbrad]

Zegras is already getting paid like he has to put up 60pts 5.7M/YR, and he'll be holdout again in 2 years when his contract is up. So it's not like you are getting savings by trading for him, in fact, if you draft a 40-50pt player which the top 5-7 forwards should be doing and making ELC money, you are way better off.