HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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Gaylord Q Tinkledink

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Personally, I don’t expect any move except being the 3rd team and retain money on a trade

I think Savard is more useful then a 2nd round pick and other late pick
Almost no point in that.

It would be better to use it to get rid of Allen than be a 3rd party and get a 4th

At least retained on Allen could be a 3rd and the Habs save some cap for next season and they have a 2 goalie situation finally.

Would be nice if they can move a d, like Harris
 

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Teams will not win with Danault as their 2nd line centre. LA will fail because Dubois should be on the 2nd line and Danault on the 3rd elite checking line. The checking line would of course get siginificant ice time in close games.
It's Dubois who didn't deliver and deserving his #2 C spot. LAK have no choice running Danault 2nd C cuz he's constant without big flashes. He's in the + stats again this year (+5), on his way to a 50-54 pts season.

If PLD wake up and pack pts, I guess he'll take #2 spot and eventually #1 when Kopi retire. But PLD might fail miserabilly. Danault is a different kind of player, he's the same year after year.
 
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It is bush league.

I guarantee any league Allen or Primeau have played in up until this point since Pee-Wee has never carried three goalies on the active roster, and no other team in the NHL right now currently does it (and for good reason).

I'm not saying it's not the right move necessarily from the Habs perspective asset-wise, but the fact remains that they made a mistake in not resolving this situation earlier than they had and the players involved are suffering for it.
The Montreal Canadiens, like every other team, have a 23 man roster...and they're using it as such.

I'm not sure what's bush league about it, they're managing their assets.

The situation will be resolved when they feel like they have a resolution.

I know previous management would have probably pissed away one of those assets, but that's not Hughes style.

I rate it.
 

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The Montreal Canadiens, like every other team, have a 23 man roster...and they're using it as such.

I'm not sure what's bush league about it, they're managing their assets.

The situation will be resolved when they feel like they have a resolution.

I know previous management would have probably pissed away one of those assets, but that's not Hughes style.

I rate it.
This is the age-old "management vs. players/workers" perspective.

From an organization/asset-management perspective, you're completely right. They can do that and should, why wouldn't they? As fans of the Habs organization in general, we see it as a smart move and it is.

From a player/human perspective, it IS bush league, and I think that's fine to say as well. What's good for the overall organization is not necessarily good for every individual player. No goalie is going to see "Yes, please run a three-goalie system where I barely play and when I do, the decisions are made arbitrarily." These guys are ultra-competitive humans with very limited careers.

No player is going to have the attitude of "Sure, I'll risk millions of dollars in future salary and degraded performance so you hold onto your backup goalie for previous years or squeeze an earlier round pick out of a desperate team. No problem at all."

I'm coming from the latter perspective, you're coming from the former. Nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't make what I'm saying wrong.

That's not true at all. A lot of AHL teams carry 3 goalies. NCAA & junior teams also will carry 3 goalies.

As for the NHL, a lot of teams will carry 3 goalies. Buffalo, LA, Vegas, Toronto, San Jose & Arizona have all had 3 goalie systems over the past 2 years.

This isn't even the first time for Montreal.

During the Covid season, all teams had to carry 3 goalies. Charlie Lindgren played only 2 games that year due to that fact.

Prior to waivers & roster limits, a lot of teams carried 3 goalies. It wasn't unusual for teams to carry 28 players. 3 goalies, 9D, 16F.

It's why the NHL started waivers & roster limits, because a lot of good players were getting buried in deep organizations.
Fair enough on your 'prior to roster limits' point but there are a couple of issues here:

I don't think the Covid season should be used as an example of teams doing things 'business as usual' when it definitely wasn't. They were instructed to do this to keep the pool of players consistent and to not risk bringing in Covid from the outside due to an emergency call-up.

The teams you listed as well as teams running three goalies in recent years aren't exactly examples we want to follow (besides Vegas, obviously). Toronto probably does because they've had insanely injury-prone goalies and have had to do that out of pure necessity. This happened because we didn't move on from Allen or Primeau before this situation arose.

Even in interviews, Jeff Gorton said this wasn't planned at the beginning of the year. They definitely held on to them both to see if one would emerge and they could potentially trade the other for some value, but I would argue that this whole situation has negatively affected both, which has also negatively impacted their trade value.
 

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Almost no point in that.

It would be better to use it to get rid of Allen than be a 3rd party and get a 4th

At least retained on Allen could be a 3rd and the Habs save some cap for next season and they have a 2 goalie situation finally.

Would be nice if they can move a d, like Harris
No one will trade for Allen…

Except if you give them something to take him or you trade him against a bad contract

I really hope the Habs trade Savard. Now is the time...
I think Savard has more value to the Habs then the return we will get
 
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This is the age-old "management vs. players/workers" perspective.

From an organization/asset-management perspective, you're completely right. They can do that and should, why wouldn't they? As fans of the Habs organization in general, we see it as a smart move and it is.
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From a player/human perspective, it IS bush league, and I think that's fine to say as well. What's good for the overall organization is not necessarily good for every individual player. No goalie is going to see "Yes, please run a three-goalie system where I barely play and when I do, the decisions are made arbitrarily." These guys are ultra-competitive humans with very limited careers.
That's pro sports though, unfortunately, tweener goalies like Primeau get squeezed in situations like this...that's how the Habs ended up with Samuel Montembeault.

And that's exactly what the Habs are trying to avoid doing with Primeau...waive him because of the player/human perspective, only to watch him bloom on another team.

This isn't any different than the 13th forward on a roster or the 7th Dman.

No player is going to have the attitude of "Sure, I'll risk millions of dollars in future salary and degraded performance so you hold onto your backup goalie for previous years or squeeze an earlier round pick out of a desperate team. No problem at all."

I'm coming from the latter perspective, you're coming from the former. Nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't make what I'm saying wrong.
Yeah I never said you were wrong, I understand your perspective...i'm not a particularly sentimental fan, sports is a business and I think in most cases, that's just how it goes. I'm not going to fault the GM for taking advantage of the system that's in place, as I mentioned previously I much rather what's currently happening than losing what could be a valuable asset for nothing.

GM's have a role to play
Players have a role to play

Hughes job is to manage his assets
Primeau/Allen's job is to stop pucks

As long as those things continue, it'll get sorted out at some point soon.

Short term pain, long term gain
 
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I wouldn't expect much movement - if any, at the deadline.

Retention slot would only be used on Allen, Pearson or Savard if the asset coming back is a 2nd round pick or higher, or a 1st round pick in the case of Savard.

They might trade Evans or Harris, I don't think it would happen.. Kovacevic is another maybe.

Most likely they get paid to use their retention spot to broker a deal.. but that's about it.
 

Steve Shutt

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With Price we could have won. Without him, forget about it. We had nothing in net. We didn't have a great team but it was like going from one extreme to the other.

I remember back then how the Habs were absolutely abysmal all season everytime Price was not in net. Tokarski was garbage. Therrien put him in net cause he thought that he would make a clever move but that didn't work. Close to the TDL I was like please Bergevin get a goalie, please please please. The dummy didn't and we were screwed. Bergevin was always too "all in" for Price and he was blind by everything else. And he failed again to get someone after Price got injured(cause of he always thought he would return).
We had Budaj as our back-up in 2013-14. He played in 24 games and had a winning record plus decent GAA 2.51 and .911 SV%. Budaj shit the bed when he came in to replace an injured Price and Therrien decided to go with Tokarski who looked outstanding in his 3 games with the team. Budaj never got another shot.

We had Price, plus an experienced and capable back-up and a hot rookie. I have no issue with Bergevin not adding a back-up at the TDL. He deserves credit for getting Vanek, Weise, and Weaver
 
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Vachon23

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I wouldn't expect much movement - if any, at the deadline.

Retention slot would only be used on Allen, Pearson or Savard if the asset coming back is a 2nd round pick or higher, or a 1st round pick in the case of Savard.

They might trade Evans or Harris, I don't think it would happen.. Kovacevic is another maybe.

Most likely they get paid to use their retention spot to broker a deal.. but that's about it.
I could maybe see Dallas making move for Kovacevic. They could need cheap depth on the RD
 

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It's Dubois who didn't deliver and deserving his #2 C spot. LAK have no choice running Danault 2nd C cuz he's constant without big flashes. He's in the + stats again this year (+5), on his way to a 50-54 pts season.

If PLD wake up and pack pts, I guess he'll take #2 spot and eventually #1 when Kopi retire. But PLD might fail miserabilly. Danault is a different kind of player, he's the same year after year.
Danault is on pace for 45 pts. He could end up with 50 though. Haven't seen many LA games. Was Dubois give a decent shot as a 2c?
 

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Anderson and Gallagher are pretty much not movable.
I think Anderson 50% retained can be moved. But we might need the cap space in the next few years. I'd move him with 50% retained in a deal for a young player if I thought that player was the next Newhook or Dach.

Gally probably is not movable at 50% retained.
 

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No one will trade for Allen…

Except if you give them something to take him or you trade him against a bad contract


I think Savard has more value to the Habs then the return we will get
Well you are not giving Savard a contract extension so you are trading him this year or next and he is replaceable by signing a free agent in the summer like ...Walker,Desharnais,Kulikov.
 

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Anderson and Gallagher are pretty much not movable.
I do think Anderson at 50% retention would have value, look at the contract that Miles Wood got for instance. Gallagher on the other hand is either getting bought out next year or we convince him to go to LTIRetirement.
 

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Then kiss any long term success goodbye. Unless we get some serious scoring, we’ll be no better than any version of us in the last 30 years.
That's why God created roster building, of which drafting high is but one component.

Following the logic of tanking, Vegas should have bottomed out until they drafted their own Pietrangelo and Eichel.
 

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Allen's agent wants the 3 goalies thing to end. He's probably pestering Hughes about it.

So now I'm expected Allen to move for peanuts in a week or two.

Well if Allen didnt play like shit all yr maybe he would be tradeable.

with his play, no team wants him as a platoon so best he can hope for is a contender who wants a vet backup to a legit number one. Where in this case, Allen likely only gets a game every 10 days anyhow
 

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That's why God created roster building, of which drafting high is but one component.

Following the logic of tanking, Vegas should have bottomed out until they drafted their own Pietrangelo and Eichel.
Vegas is a market that everyone wants to go though, they can’t be compared to any other team except LA and NYR maybe
 
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I prefer Savard to any of those guys, he’s like a 2nd assistant coach for our young Dmen. I would trade Matheson before him who is at prime value
Me too. Savard actually has elite IQ and knows hockey inside and out, he made a career out of being one of the smartest guy on the ice despite being Crankshaft slow, what is Matheson going to teach the kids? How to turnover the puck? Lol.
 

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Vegas is a market that everyone wants to go though, they can’t be compared to any other team except LA and NYR maybe

Vegas is a market people want to go to because the team is good. The second the team falls off it will not be viewed that way, New York and Los Angeles will be good markets regardless of the quality of the team.
 

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no way Gally ever leaves this team

savard I say is gone, way to valuable to a cup team

 

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HuGo trying to navigate our team saddled with Gally, Anderson, Dvo and Armia contracts.

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Vegas is a market people want to go to because the team is good. The second the team falls off it will not be viewed that way, New York and Los Angeles will be good markets regardless of the quality of the team.
Not only that but Henderson is a great city to leave when you have a family and the atmosphere is great
 

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HuGo trying to navigate our team saddled with Gally, Anderson, Dvo and Armia contracts.
Dvorak and Armia can probably be moved this off-season or at the next year deadline. It will be the last year of their contract anyhow.

Gally is an anchor.

As for Anderson, I'm crossing my fingers that some GM believe he just need a change in scenery/coach and call dibs this off-season.
 
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