HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Guy Larose]

When’s le prochain game s’ti?

Google s'ti

 

[WinterLion]

When's the next trade 'sti?

 

[Omar]

Some GM's say trades are hard.........lol

Kent has done well. Who knew actually picking a direction would land us good picks, including 1sts that we could not achieve for a 10 year period.......interesting. Better days ahead folks...


They would have this year, with DAch. Yes, it sounds crazy but it would have been.
So, next year we become a bubble team, and playoffs in 2 years.

Then kiss any long term success goodbye. Unless we get some serious scoring, we’ll be no better than any version of us in the last 30 years.

 

[The Great Weal]

I’m expecting a dud trade deadline.
Savard is the only player that could return some value.

The rest are negative value or 4th rounders with retention.

Maybe they clear up the blue line by trading Harris or Kovy.

I don't really expect anything either, we got the extra 1st so either way it's a success. Management is likely prioritizing what they should use the last retention slot on and is thinking about what they should use it on for next year. Trading while retaining Armia/Allen for this year and next year for a mid round pick doesn't make any sense as you hope they perform better next year and go on from there. We probably have a price set for Savard at 50% but if a team isn't desperate enough, it might have to be either Pearson or filling the role of a broker like last year.

 

[HuGort]

I won’t continu on that Danault/KK discussion because it’s not the essence of this thread, but I feel you completely missed the point of my message.

It doesn’t matter where both players are today, what matters is the idea behind decision that were taken at the end of that season 3 years ago.

The player who was drafted third overall and who was supposed to be a top 2 center on the team needed more ice time in a more preeminent role. Which was impossible with Danault on the team because HE did not want his role reduced.

There is nothing wrong with that idea, it makes sense to give a young player with offensive upside a bigger role especially if you believe in his talent level.

Everyone was crying about his usage and how he wasn’t getting enough opportunities to develop into an offensive splayer.

The end result is irrelevant. I do not like KK and I do not care about Danault. The latter is definitely the better of the two as of today.



Problem is you can apply this logic to like 5-6 players on that team. In the end they reached the SCF which is a feat in itself.

Bergevin believed in that group and it payed off. Everything exploded after, but I can’t blame him for not trading half the team.

If Bergevin had traded his first picks and mortgaged his future, like most cup contending teams did. He may have a cup or two. Bergs had great goalie to work with. Some years only top player or two away. He got to Finals once, semi finals twice without trading his future. He was close

 

[CHarlie]

That Josh Anderson contract just plain sucks.....cant even trade him.

 

[BLONG7]

Then kiss any long term success goodbye. Unless we get some serious scoring, we’ll be no better than any version of us in the last 30 years.

Upgrades have been made..........and will continue to be made...........trust the process.
The current regime are building a hockey team vs the years gone by with laying it all at the feet of the goalie.
You are correct, we need to start scoring more, and the CSI Montreal line has started that process.

That Josh Anderson contract just plain sucks.....cant even trade him.

Not with the year he is having now....................possibly next summer, or next season once he finds his scoring touch back? Wishful thinking eh...

That Josh Anderson contract just plain sucks.....cant even trade him.

Not with the year he is having now....................possibly next summer, or next season once he finds his scoring touch back? Wishful thinking eh...

 

[Andy]

Anderson and Gallagher are pretty much not movable.

 

[morhilane]

Allen's agent wants the 3 goalies thing to end. He's probably pestering Hughes about it.

So now I'm expected Allen to move for peanuts in a week or two.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Allen's agent wants the 3 goalies thing to end. He's probably pestering Hughes about it.

So now I'm expected Allen to move for peanuts in a week or two.

I know the market is low but At a minimum, I’d ask for pecans.

 

[morhilane]

I know the market is low but At a minimum, I’d ask for pecans.

Maybe we can have a peanuts and pecans bundle.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Allen's agent wants the 3 goalies thing to end. He's probably pestering Hughes about it.

So now I'm expected Allen to move for peanuts in a week or two.

Hughes won't be influenced by what an agent wants. And doesn't Allen want to stay with the Habs?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

If Bergevin had traded his first picks and mortgaged his future, like most cup contending teams did. He may have a cup or two. Bergs had great goalie to work with. Some years only top player or two away. He got to Finals once, semi finals twice without trading his future. He was close

Lool team was absolute garbage on paper , perfect reflection of the gm's 8 year tenure

 

[morhilane]

Hughes won't be influenced by what an agent wants. And doesn't Allen want to stay with the Habs?

His words were (translated) "be it Allen or someone else, a goalie needs to be traded". That's pretty much a public trade request, his agent also said the whole thing is impacting Allen mentally.

So looks like things reached the "gets this shit resolved, so we can move on" point.

 

[Vachon23]

Personally, I don’t expect any move except being the 3rd team and retain money on a trade

I think Savard is more useful then a 2nd round pick and other late pick

 

[Colezuki]

Personally, I don’t expect any move except being the 3rd team and retain money on a trade

I think Savard is more useful then a 2nd round pick and other late pick

One of Allen/Primeau is moving and potentially Savard (but unlikely unless a 1st is involved)

 

[Saundies]

His words were (translated) "be it Allen or someone else, a goalie needs to be traded". That's pretty much a public trade request, his agent also said the whole thing is impacting Allen mentally.

So looks like things reached the "gets this shit resolved, so we can move on" point.

Honestly, I don't blame him. The three-goalie thing is pretty bush league and probably isn't doing either Primeau or Allen any favours.

Goalies are notoriously creatures of routine and this is the ultimate routine-buster.

 

[26Mats]

Personally, I don’t expect any move except being the 3rd team and retain money on a trade

I think Savard is more useful then a 2nd round pick and other late pick

My sense is also that we won't get offered a 1st and that Hughes will keep him for one more year as a mentor. If we keep Savard, I do think we should trade one of Kovacevic, Harris or Barron, because I don't think we want 7 dmen on the roster that can't be sent down to Laval plus Xhekaj.

Kovacevic's value might be highest at the TDL, so I could see him being moved if a team wants to add depth on D.

Yeah being a 3rd team retaining usually gets a 5th, likely more than we'd get for trading Pearson at 50% retained for a 5th. Though I'd like to move Pearson to give more ice time to Ylonen, Roy, RHP, etc...

 

[morhilane]

Yeah being a 3rd team retaining usually gets a 5th, likely more than we'd get for trading Pearson at 50% retained for a 5th. Though I'd like to move Pearson to give more ice time to Ylonen, Roy, RHP, etc...

The Habs can use one of their 5th to pay another team to retain on Pearson if retained Pearson is worth more than that. It would be like upgrading a 5th round pick to something else.

It also allow the Habs to use their last retention slot on something bigger at the deadline or the draft table.

 

[417]

Honestly, I don't blame him. The three-goalie thing is pretty bush league and probably isn't doing either Primeau or Allen any favours.

Goalies are notoriously creatures of routine and this is the ultimate routine-buster.

There's nothing bush league about it...the Habs are protecting their asset value, whether we agree with it or not, that's their interest.

 

[26Mats]

The Habs can use one of their 5th to pay another team to retain on Pearson if retained Pearson is worth more than that. It would be like upgrading a 5th round pick to something else.

It also allow the Habs to use their last retention slot on something bigger at the deadline or the draft table.

Yes, ideally that's how it goes - a bigger deal and then we trade Pearson with a 3rd party retaining.

But, I really don't think Pearson 50% retained even gets a 5th. I think the best we could hope for is something like we give a team gives two 7th's - one to a 3rd team for retaining and one to us for the player. But I'm not even sure he has that much value at this point.

 

[Saundies]

There's nothing bush league about it...the Habs are protecting their asset value, whether we agree with it or not, that's their interest.

It is bush league.

I guarantee any league Allen or Primeau have played in up until this point since Pee-Wee has never carried three goalies on the active roster, and no other team in the NHL right now currently does it (and for good reason).

I'm not saying it's not the right move necessarily from the Habs perspective asset-wise, but the fact remains that they made a mistake in not resolving this situation earlier than they had and the players involved are suffering for it.

 

[Vachon23]

My sense is also that we won't get offered a 1st and that Hughes will keep him for one more year as a mentor. If we keep Savard, I do think we should trade one of Kovacevic, Harris or Barron, because I don't think we want 7 dmen on the roster that can't be sent down to Laval plus Xhekaj.

Kovacevic's value might be highest at the TDL, so I could see him being moved if a team wants to add depth on D.

Yeah being a 3rd team retaining usually gets a 5th, likely more than we'd get for trading Pearson at 50% retained for a 5th. Though I'd like to move Pearson to give more ice time to Ylonen, Roy, RHP, etc...

Yes maybe Kovacevic could be an option

One of Allen/Primeau is moving and potentially Savard (but unlikely unless a 1st is involved)

Don’t think any team is gonna make a move for Allen/Primeau

 

[MarkovsKnee]

It is bush league.

I guarantee any league Allen or Primeau have played in up until this point since Pee-Wee has never carried three goalies on the active roster, and no other team in the NHL right now currently does it (and for good reason).

I'm not saying it's not the right move necessarily from the Habs perspective asset-wise, but the fact remains that they made a mistake in not resolving this situation earlier than they had and the players involved are suffering for it.

That's not true at all. A lot of AHL teams carry 3 goalies. NCAA & junior teams also will carry 3 goalies.

As for the NHL, a lot of teams will carry 3 goalies. Buffalo, LA, Vegas, Toronto, San Jose & Arizona have all had 3 goalie systems over the past 2 years.

This isn't even the first time for Montreal.

During the Covid season, all teams had to carry 3 goalies. Charlie Lindgren played only 2 games that year due to that fact.

Prior to waivers & roster limits, a lot of teams carried 3 goalies. It wasn't unusual for teams to carry 28 players. 3 goalies, 9D, 16F.

It's why the NHL started waivers & roster limits, because a lot of good players were getting buried in deep organizations.

 

[McGees]

Allen's agent wants the 3 goalies thing to end. He's probably pestering Hughes about it.

So now I'm expected Allen to move for peanuts in a week or two.

Ok sure.
*sends Jake to Laval