HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[MadMslm]

But don't the retention spots on expiring contracts get recovered on July 1st?

Not sure there's any risk in missing out on another trade opportunity by not having the retention spot available before July 1st....

No risk per say, but chances are Habs would get a better return just retaining for an other team than on Pearson. Better maximize the value received than blow it on Pearson.

Return would also be better using that retaining spot on other players on the team.

I don’t believe Pearson gets more than a 5th even at 50%.

 

[Miller Time]

What's the most you think they could get for Pearson though? Who by the time he's traded will have less than 1M left to pay out in actual salary.

Is it really worth it to use up a retention spot to save a team 900K to turn a 6th round pick into a 4th?

Unless i'm totally misjudging Pearson's value here.

I'd be shocked if a team paid that much for Pearson even if he had managed to stay healthy and produce adequately this season.

Based on that premise...yeah might be worth it, though i'd still argue they could get way more by retaining on Allen/Savard who both look considerably better as players who can contribute to 2 playoff runs at half their salary, to their perspective team.

Will be interesting to follow that's for sure.

I agree that they could get more for Savard... Allen I'm not so sure.

But in Savard's case, I think they value him highly and would only trade him at peak return.


Pearson fits the profile (cup experience, good teammate, hard worker, decent defensive responsibility & some scoring ability) of a vet GMs love adding to playoff depth... If a team can add him with little to no cap implication (freeing up other, bigger additions), his value goes up imo...

I can see the nucks sending us their 3rd on deadline day for him if they can squeeze him under the cap... No way they can at full hit. (Boston, Dallas, Edm are some other contenders with tight cap situations he'd be appealing to as well imo)

We'll see

 

[Miller Time]

No risk per say, but chances are Habs would get a better return just retaining for an other team than on Pearson. Better maximize the value received than blow it on Pearson.

Return would also be better using that retaining spot on other players on the team.

I don’t believe Pearson gets more than a 5th even at 50%.

Hence my initial comment:

"Unless they do get their asking price for Allen or Savard, I think we'll see Pearson moved with that last retention spot."

After deadline day, that retention spot has zero value until the offseason... When we regain another spot.

Getting an asset at deadline is better than sitting on an unused spot. Pearson likely gets moved with or without it, but they are probably holding off on moving him until they are sure they aren't using it on Savard, Allen or someone else

 

[red devil]

I agree that they could get more for Savard... Allen I'm not so sure.

But in Savard's case, I think they value him highly and would only trade him at peak return.


Pearson fits the profile (cup experience, good teammate, hard worker, decent defensive responsibility & some scoring ability) of a vet GMs love adding to playoff depth... If a team can add him with little to no cap implication (freeing up other, bigger additions), his value goes up imo...

I can see the nucks sending us their 3rd on deadline day for him if they can squeeze him under the cap... No way they can at full hit. (Boston, Dallas, Edm are some other contenders with tight cap situations he'd be appealing to as well imo)

We'll see

I can't see there any being interest by the Canucks considering on how that relationship ended. It would probably the last team he would want to get traded to in the league. Pearson really doesn’t add depth scoring anymore as he really hasn't done much when he has been the last couple of years. I would be surprised if anyone offered a 5th and that us with retention.

 

[Miller Time]

I can't see there any being interest by the Canucks considering on how that relationship ended. It would probably the last team he would want to get traded to in the league. Pearson really doesn’t add depth scoring anymore as he really hasn't done much when he has been the last couple of years. I would be surprised if anyone offered a 5th and that us with retention.

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By all indications he was appreciated over there & he was sad to leave. Unless I missed some other reports?

 

[417]

But don't the retention spots on expiring contracts get recovered on July 1st?

Not sure there's any risk in missing out on another trade opportunity by not having the retention spot available before July 1st....

So yes, retention slots get recovered once the traded contract expires.

So whatever they would retain on Pearson in a proposed trade this year, they'd get back as a retention slot when he becomes a UFA July 1st (which should have been obvious to me, sorry about that lol).

Same with Joel Edmunson who they're retaining on this year.

So as of July 1st...they'll only have Jeff Petry as a retained contract on the books.

So they'd have 2 open retention slots for 2024-25.

 

[MadMslm]

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By all indications he was appreciated over there & he was sad to leave. Unless I missed some other reports?

The big debacle around his injury where players on the team publicly came out against management.

I doubt they would want anything to do with him now, it’s a chapter they probably want to close as it was some bad PR for them.

Players did appreciate him a lot though.

Hence my initial comment:

"Unless they do get their asking price for Allen or Savard, I think we'll see Pearson moved with that last retention spot."

After deadline day, that retention spot has zero value until the offseason... When we regain another spot.

Getting an asset at deadline is better than sitting on an unused spot. Pearson likely gets moved with or without it, but they are probably holding off on moving him until they are sure they aren't using it on Savard, Allen or someone else

Fair enough, there’s definitely a chance this scenario could become true but I think it’s pretty slim.

Habs can facilitate a trade for other teams by using that retention spot, which would probably net them a better pick than with Pearson.

They should use that last spot, but not on him.

Also, as we move close to the deadline some teams will become sellers which will add competition.

 

[Archijerej]

Friedman from the 2nd intermission on HNiC

Still nothing from the player himself in that quote.

I concede he might not be interested, but when a 27 year old top pairing defenceman becomes available, that's when you put all those picks, prospects and cap space to use.

 

[Miller Time]

The big debacle around his injury where players on the team publicly came out against management.

I doubt they would want anything to do with him now, it’s a chapter they probably want to close as it was some bad PR for them.

Players did appreciate him a lot though.



Fair enough, there’s definitely a chance this scenario could become true but I think it’s pretty slim.

Habs can facilitate a trade for other teams by using that retention spot, which would probably net them a better pick than with Pearson.

They should use that last spot, but not on him.

Also, as we move close to the deadline some teams will become sellers which will add competition.

No doubt.

Last deadline, Hughes used a retention spot to gain a 5th from SJ to facilitate the Pens adding Bonino.

I think we'll see him use it one way or another, but in this year's situation, Pearson seems like the obvious candidate should they not want to, or get a good enough offer, to tie up a 2nd retention spot for next year

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I agree that they could get more for Savard... Allen I'm not so sure.

But in Savard's case, I think they value him highly and would only trade him at peak return.


Pearson fits the profile (cup experience, good teammate, hard worker, decent defensive responsibility & some scoring ability) of a vet GMs love adding to playoff depth... If a team can add him with little to no cap implication (freeing up other, bigger additions), his value goes up imo...

I can see the nucks sending us their 3rd on deadline day for him if they can squeeze him under the cap... No way they can at full hit. (Boston, Dallas, Edm are some other contenders with tight cap situations he'd be appealing to as well imo)

We'll see

I agree that Savard should only be traded if Hughes can get good value which imo is nothing less than a late first.

Allen is the player that absolutely has to be moved as we do not need to be back in this 3 goaltender scenario again next season. Considering how poorly he has played in the 2nd half and his history of playing poorly in the second half I suspect his value is quite low and Hughes may be forced to use his final retention slot in order to gain anything of value. At this point I can't see any team giving more than a 3rd with 50% retention but perhaps there is a late 2nd to be had but I seriously doubt it. It would seem silly to use a retention spot to bring back a 4th or later

As for Pearson, it should be noted that we can not trade him back to Vancouver with retention as it would be considered a form of cap circumvention. He is off of the books after this season which is nice and the only way I see them trading Pearson with retention if they absolutely can not move Allen or someone takes Allen for a late pick without retention. I don't see Pearson bringing back anything significant even with retention so his name is not of much importance right now imo.

 

[red devil]

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By all indications he was appreciated over there & he was sad to leave. Unless I missed some other reports?

I just don't think he would want to go through all questions the media ask him plus management questions from media about the medical issues that came up. They both have turned the page and I just can't see either wanting to go through the questions again.

 

[Habricot]

One of Petry's nickname was Jeff Petrin

The problem with Matheson is well he'll be 30 in a few days. Him and Jeff petry are very similar player with very similar career path.

Jeff Petry was pretty much done as a effective top 4 player at 33 years old. If Matheson share a similar path and i think he will then he has three seasons left (30-31-32). Matheson is not the kind of player to remain effective in his mid 30ies. Like Jeff Petrin and Subban he's braindead and rely on his physical skills only.

I have no problem keeping Matheson for next season but beyoind that i'd move him personally. Have to make room for Mailloux eventually he's too good in the AHL to not be at least a good top 4 offensive dman eventually.

They can move him in 2 years IF Ghule is ready to take on that role.

 

[Habricot]

Matheson for Zegras (or put any young player from his group at the same place) 1 for 1 for example is a move that could make sense if we look only at the future.

We get younger and better at the offensive position with a promising young forward. We lose in leadership but we give the locker room to the young even more. Some of our youngsters are due to get a place in the line up and we don't have that much for the defenseman right now.

It helps the team fitting more with the age group we need for when we are ready to contend.

You do not get better offensively by dissimating your blue line of Matheson. Unless all other players e.g. Hutson/Ghule are ready to take on that pressure. We are still few years away.

 

[The Great Weal]

Personally, I think at least one of Pearson, Allen, Savard, and Armia will be traded by TDL. Maybe two of them.

I doubt Pearson has value although you never know for sure (look at Dwight King for example). If Allen gets traded it would be for someone with a similar contract so I don’t think we will retain on him. I’d be shocked if Armia got traded since he’s probably getting traded next year due to his contract. Savard is the likeliest one although that’s totally going to depend if a team is desperate enough to overpay since we likely aren’t keen on trading him right now.

 

[Steve Shutt]

Curious what percentage chance everyone estimates for these guys being moved at the TDL:

* D.Savard = 50%
* Pearson = 33%
* J.Armia = 5%
* J.Allen = 66%
* C.Primeau = 5%
* J.Ylonen = 5%
* M.Matheson = 5%
* J.Kovacevic = 25%
* J.Harris = 5%
* J.Anderson = 2%
* B.Gallager = 1%
* Third Party Retention (Using our last slot for someone else) = 33%

 

[Scotianhab]

Trading Matheson this year is dumb. Plain and simple. You need good players who transitions well to your star players. We want Slaf to continue to develop well we need Matheson and his offence to help with that.

 

[Runner77]

Good point...that definitely changes the perspective.

I'll see what I can find on that technicality.

There is a major opportunity to make a deal happen at the draft or in those days preceding the UFA frenzy. If the choice is to burn it on Pearson, might as well carry it forward.

 

[HuGort]

See what Hanifin gets then you’ll get a better idea of the price on matheson

Matheson should return more. He has long term control

 

[Scotianhab]

This summer Pearson, Edmunston, Alzner & Pearson are off the books.
Next summer is quite interesting as Dvorak, Savard, Armia, Allen, Kovacevic, Evans & Pezzetta will all be UFA. Petry retention spot will also be freed up next summer.
Savard actual salary next year is only 2.8m even though his cap hit is higher so that may interest teams as well.

 

[417]

There is a major opportunity to make a deal happen at the draft or in those days preceding the UFA frenzy. If the choice is to burn it on Pearson, might as well carry it forward.

Pearson is a UFA so it wouldn't matter as I understand it.

 

[McGees]

I’m expecting a dud trade deadline.
Savard is the only player that could return some value.

The rest are negative value or 4th rounders with retention.

Maybe they clear up the blue line by trading Harris or Kovy.

 

[BoneHutson]

Matheson doesn't give you Zebras not even close.

Yeah but in a 3 way trade where Hughes can take advantage of another team’s needs, then yeah, it could work.

Like sending Matheson + to TB for Sergachev and then sending Sergachev to ANA or WAS for Zegras or Leonard

 

[Miller Time]

I agree that Savard should only be traded if Hughes can get good value which imo is nothing less than a late first.

Allen is the player that absolutely has to be moved as we do not need to be back in this 3 goaltender scenario again next season. Considering how poorly he has played in the 2nd half and his history of playing poorly in the second half I suspect his value is quite low and Hughes may be forced to use his final retention slot in order to gain anything of value. At this point I can't see any team giving more than a 3rd with 50% retention but perhaps there is a late 2nd to be had but I seriously doubt it. It would seem silly to use a retention spot to bring back a 4th or later

As for Pearson, it should be noted that we can not trade Allen back to Vancouver with retention as it would be considered a form of cap circumvention. He is off of the books after this season which is nice and the only way I see them trading Pearson with retention if they absolutely can not move Allen or someone takes Allen for a late pick without retention. I don't see Pearson bringing back anything significant even with retention so his name is not of much importance right now imo.

The last paragraph I assume you meant Pearson can't be traded back?

I'm not familiar with that rule... Is there a set amount of time before a player can be traded back to his previous team with retention?


For Allen, I agree... Though a buyout this summer might also address the situation if they can't find a taker, or get a return for Primeau. Addressing the 3 goalie situation, especially with Monty looking ready for 1A usage, I hope will be a priority this summer.

 

[Gustave]

Someone will bite on Yoel, the size factor and the run he had in the playoffs here are elements that ressemble the attraction moths have for street lights on summer nights.

We’ll get something for him.

 

[Egresch]

I still believe there will be more demand for Kovacevic than Savard. Both would be basically 3rd pair RD with contender. Both have term for one more year, but Kovy is below league minimum and we know that cap space is big commodity for any contender. And he is just 26, so he can be cheap servicable D for next 7 years. Pack him with some picks or B prospect and we can get solid return.