HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[LaP]

I'm not 100% certain Savard is worth a 1st. But he is certainly worth a 2nd round pick that's for sure. We paid a cond 3rd round pick for Dwight King and the guy could not play hockey anymore and went to the KHL the next season cause nobody wanted him. So i'D say Savard is easily worth a 2nd + maybe a cond + along with it.

 

[Omar]

He needs to stay if the Canadiens want to make a push next season. Hughes said they want to compete next year. Do you think a bunch of 20 year olds will help his plan? No. I won’t be upset if he gets traded but I don’t see a wrong answer here. If he stays it’s great for the kids.

Habs won’t make a push next season.

 

[Benstheman]

I have zero interest in moving Matheson right now. Perhaps this time next year but lets see how Hutson and Reinbacher adapt to NA pro hockey between now and then.

Savard on the other hand i would definitely move prior to this deadline. I know some out there are suggesting we could get a 1st in return, i personally have a hard time believing that and would be happy acquiring a 2nd in this draft + a B prospect.

Savard won't be traded for secondary pieces. We don't need B prospects and we have a lot of picks already in the next two drafts, so a late 2nd won't do it.

Anyway i'm pretty sure Kent won't let him go for nothing short of an overpayment.

It will be a 1st or a guy like Kakko coming back.

 

[BLONG7]

Sounds like a rerun of the Monahan is not worth a 1st narrative from the main boards

Big play Dave is worth more than you think and Kent is cooking

Exemples;
Kulak for Lagesson, 2nd(Hutson)

Chiarot for Smilanic, 4th(Guindon), 1st (31st used for Newhook)

Petry for Matheson, pick (Bogdan)

Petry again for Lindstrom, 2nd and 4th picks

Some GM's say trades are hard.........lol

Kent has done well. Who knew actually picking a direction would land us good picks, including 1sts that we could not achieve for a 10 year period.......interesting. Better days ahead folks...

Habs won’t make a push next season.

They would have this year, with DAch. Yes, it sounds crazy but it would have been.
So, next year we become a bubble team, and playoffs in 2 years.

 

[Benstheman]

Some GM's say trades are hard.........lol

Kent has done well. Who knew actually picking a direction would land us good picks, including 1sts that we could not achieve for a 10 year period.......interesting. Better days ahead folks...


They would have this year, with DAch. Yes, it sounds crazy but it would have been.
So, next year we become a bubble team, and playoffs in 2 years.

I think so too.

If Hugues add a player on the top 6 and Montambeault plays 50-60 games, i think we have a chance for the playoffs.

 

[Adriatic]

I think so too.

If Hugues add a player on the top 6 and Montambeault plays 50-60 games, i think we have a chance for the playoffs.

No brainer. If we add a top 6 player and avoid major injuries we will easily be in the hunt for a playoff spot.

 

[MadMslm]

KK top 6 position before Danault ? Are you feeling right? Do you want to see a doctor?
What line plays KK today?
What line Danault play today?
What are the stats of both players since 2021?

I won’t continu on that Danault/KK discussion because it’s not the essence of this thread, but I feel you completely missed the point of my message.

It doesn’t matter where both players are today, what matters is the idea behind decision that were taken at the end of that season 3 years ago.

The player who was drafted third overall and who was supposed to be a top 2 center on the team needed more ice time in a more preeminent role. Which was impossible with Danault on the team because HE did not want his role reduced.

There is nothing wrong with that idea, it makes sense to give a young player with offensive upside a bigger role especially if you believe in his talent level.

Everyone was crying about his usage and how he wasn’t getting enough opportunities to develop into an offensive splayer.

The end result is irrelevant. I do not like KK and I do not care about Danault. The latter is definitely the better of the two as of today.

If Bergevin thought he could lose Danault for nothing. He should have traded him. Making the finals that year is irrelevant.

That push in the playoff that year is actually costing us at leat 3 more years of rebuild.

Problem is you can apply this logic to like 5-6 players on that team. In the end they reached the SCF which is a feat in itself.

Bergevin believed in that group and it payed off. Everything exploded after, but I can’t blame him for not trading half the team.

 

[MadMslm]

I really do wonder what type of value Savard has on the market.

At 50% retention it does become enticing to add a big defensemen who can block shots for the playoffs.

I guess it depends how many suitors are left for a defensemen like him after the big names are gone.

Not expecting much movement on the Habs front.

It’s likely that Hughes will use his last retention spot to facilitate a trade for an other team.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Personally, I think at least one of Pearson, Allen, Savard, and Armia will be traded by TDL. Maybe two of them.

You can only retain on one of them as Habs only have one retention slot left. And if they retain on any of Allen, Savard or Armia, they will only have one retention slot next year, as well. As they still have Petry retention next year.

 

[red devil]

Personally, I think at least one of Pearson, Allen, Savard, and Armia will be traded by TDL. Maybe two of them.

You can only retain on one of them as Habs only have one retention slot left. And if they retain on any of Allen, Savard or Armia, they will only have one retention slot next year, as well. As they still have Petry retention next year.

They could trade one of those players to a team and part of the deal is taking back a bad contract that is just signed this year. This coud be a solution for Montréal on not retaining on a player signed beyond this year.

 

[Mr Bop]

They could trade one of those players to a team and part of the deal is taking back a bad contract that is just signed this year. This coud be a solution for Montréal on not retaining on a player signed beyond this year.

Depending on what the retention is maybe a 3 way trade would work? We'd pay the third party team a 4th or 3rd to retain 50% instead of us retaining.

 

[MadMslm]

Personally, I think at least one of Pearson, Allen, Savard, and Armia will be traded by TDL. Maybe two of them.

You can only retain on one of them as Habs only have one retention slot left. And if they retain on any of Allen, Savard or Armia, they will only have one retention slot next year, as well. As they still have Petry retention next year.

Pearson without retention won’t find any suitors and even with retention his value is probably too low to bring anything worth that retention spot.

The other three you named could bring better returns justifying the retention.

I don’t know if Allen leaves now but Hughes said that there will be only two goalies here next year and with Lebrun saying some teams told the Habs they would discuss Allen in the offseason, there’s a chance he finished the year here.

I don’t think he’s been as bad as some say here and he could definitely help a few teams.

Armia has been playing well for a while now and can see how some teams could want him for the playoffs. Same goes for Savard.

Hughes could also dangle some younger players with cheap contract if something makes sense.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Personally, I think at least one of Pearson, Allen, Savard, and Armia will be traded by TDL. Maybe two of them.

You can only retain on one of them as Habs only have one retention slot left. And if they retain on any of Allen, Savard or Armia, they will only have one retention slot next year, as well. As they still have Petry retention next year.

My guess is they’ll use the retention spot on Allen to fix the crowded net situation. Savard still has a purpose for our team. Doubt anyone is going to want Armia or Pearson.

 

[417]

Personally, I think at least one of Pearson, Allen, Savard, and Armia will be traded by TDL. Maybe two of them.

You can only retain on one of them as Habs only have one retention slot left. And if they retain on any of Allen, Savard or Armia, they will only have one retention slot next year, as well. As they still have Petry retention next year.

They won't get enough of a return to use a retention spot on Pearson.

Allen or Savard? Maybe...but I think you're more likely to see them moved over the summer, if not by this time next year.

Armia...his play recently might tempt teams, but I doubt it.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Depending on what the retention is maybe a 3 way trade would work? We'd pay the third party team a 4th or 3rd to retain 50% instead of us retaining.

Hughes also mentioned in his presser after the Monahan trade that he's not opposed to be a broker in a deal between two other teams. Similar to how they helped facilitate a trade between San Jose and Pittsburgh last year by retaining on Bonino. It wasn't like a big reward. They got a 2024 5th round pick out of it.

Not much of reward, but if Canadiens don't have anything brewing, Hughes isn't opposed to being a 3rd team to help facilitate a trade.

 

[Adam Michaels]

My guess is they’ll use the retention spot on Allen to fix the crowded net situation. Savard still has a purpose for our team. Doubt anyone is going to want Armia or Pearson.

I can see teams being interested in Armia. Truth be told, he's been solid since his call up.

 

[StCaufield]

Habs won’t make a push next season.

Im just passing the message along. I never said they would either

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Where did you come up with 6.5 for Matheson...?

Maybe he's Matheson's agent?

 

[StCaufield]

Savard will be 34 next season. There's a very good chance he'll be a liability more than anything else. I know it's very popular on this board to think all players are Jagr or Chara and can be useful in their mid 30ies to 40ies but the reality is most players are done by 33-34. Savard is on borrowed time he can hit a wall at anytime and it's likely going to be ugly when he does because of his lack of fitness. It's probably be quick like Kessel.

His play style is basically blocking shots and getting the puck out. He’s slow as f*** but understands his limits. I’m not saying you’re wrong but you see players at that age regress when they’re more skill based. Like I said though I wouldn’t be upset if he’s traded. I see it as a win win

 

[Miller Time]

They won't get enough of a return to use a retention spot on Pearson.

Allen or Savard? Maybe...but I think you're more likely to see them moved over the summer, if not by this time next year.

Armia...his play recently might tempt teams, but I doubt it.

Unless they do get their asking price for Allen or Savard, I think we'll see Pearson moved with that last retention spot.

Imo There's a team out there that will pay a 3rd or equivalent prospect to add Pearson to their fwd depth heading into the playoffs & we'd be silly not to take that asset on deadline day rather than sit on the unused retention spot

 

[Runner77]

Unless they do get their asking price for Allen or Savard, I think we'll see Pearson moved with that last retention spot.

Imo There's a team out there that will pay a 3rd or equivalent prospect to add Pearson to their fwd depth heading into the playoffs & we'd be silly not to take that asset on deadline day rather than sit on the unused retention spot

I can’t see them retain on Pearson for the paltry return he’d get. That retention spot is too valuable to waste — rather than use it on the likes of Pearson, they’re more likely to carry it forward to the summer and use it as leverage in a more significant deal. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Archijerej]

Hanifin wants to play in the US and will be signing with an American team as a free agent

Yeah, I heard about that. But I've also heard Calgary's fans claiming that it's not true and that he was willing to re-sign in Calgary until they fell apart. I have no idea one way or the other.

 

[red devil]

Yeah, I heard about that. But I've also heard Calgary's fans claiming that it's not true and that he was willing to re-sign in Calgary until they fell apart. I have no idea one way or the other.

Friedman from the 2nd intermission on HNiC

 

[Miller Time]

I can’t see them retain on Pearson for the paltry return he’d get. That retention spot is too valuable to waste — rather than use it on the likes of Pearson, they’re more likely to carry it forward to the summer and use it as leverage in a more significant deal. Just my 2 cents.

But don't the retention spots on expiring contracts get recovered on July 1st?

Not sure there's any risk in missing out on another trade opportunity by not having the retention spot available before July 1st....

 

[417]

Unless they do get their asking price for Allen or Savard, I think we'll see Pearson moved with that last retention spot.

What's the most you think they could get for Pearson though? Who by the time he's traded will have less than 1M left to pay out in actual salary.

Is it really worth it to use up a retention spot to save a team 900K to turn a 6th round pick into a 4th?

Unless i'm totally misjudging Pearson's value here.

Imo There's a team out there that will pay a 3rd or equivalent prospect to add Pearson to their fwd depth heading into the playoffs & we'd be silly not to take that asset on deadline day rather than sit on the unused retention spot

I'd be shocked if a team paid that much for Pearson even if he had managed to stay healthy and produce adequately this season.

Based on that premise...yeah might be worth it, though i'd still argue they could get way more by retaining on Allen/Savard who both look considerably better as players who can contribute to 2 playoff runs at half their salary, to their perspective team.

Will be interesting to follow that's for sure.

But don't the retention spots on expiring contracts get recovered on July 1st?

Not sure there's any risk in missing out on another trade opportunity by not having the retention spot available before July 1st....

Good point...that definitely changes the perspective.

I'll see what I can find on that technicality.