HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[jellybeans]

Matheson for Zegras (or put any young player from his group at the same place) 1 for 1 for example is a move that could make sense if we look only at the future.

We get younger and better at the offensive position with a promising young forward. We lose in leadership but we give the locker room to the young even more. Some of our youngsters are due to get a place in the line up and we don't have that much for the defenseman right now.

It helps the team fitting more with the age group we need for when we are ready to contend.

Matheson doesn't give you Zebras not even close.

 

[StCaufield]

We should hold onto Savard so we can finish in 20th next year lol. I just don't understand some people, I guess they think we have a shot at the cup every year just because we have a team, kudos to them.

Yeah because Savard is worth that much. Maybe we can get McDavid for him if he can move a team ten spots up in the standings

 

[Kosseca]

We already are 'lOsers' with Savard in the lineup, can't be worse.

A 33yo guy like Savard is totally tradeable, he's a nice vet for sure, but definitely ain't part of our core going forward, he's a stop-gap.

That's the thing, it can be. Ottawa being a cautionary tale. Nobody is saying that Savard is the savior, he's just another piece of a complex puzzle. If they goal is indeed the playoff next year (KH words, not mine), better make sure you have all the pieces.

 

[xposbrad]

Yeah because Savard is worth that much. Maybe we can get McDavid for him if he can move a team ten spots up in the standings

Because that's what everyone here is saying, we are trading him for McDavid. Exactly that.

 

[LaP]

That's the thing, it can be. Ottawa being a cautionary tale. Nobody is saying that Savard is the savior, he's just another piece of a complex puzzle. If they goal is indeed the playoff next year (KH words, not mine), better make sure you have all the pieces.

Not sure i get what you want to say here, If Ottawa is a cautionary tale of anything is that trying to jump start your rebuild with vets wont work. They added Giroux, Tarasenko, Korpisalo and Chychrun and they are still among the worst teams.

If they are a cautionary tale of anything is that we should still stock pile on picks and young players until said young players are ready to win. Keeping Savard past 2025 deadline would be extremely stupid. And giving his history of injury if a good offer is made before it should be accepted.

 

[StCaufield]

Because that's what everyone here is saying, we are trading him for McDavid. Exactly that.

He needs to stay if the Canadiens want to make a push next season. Hughes said they want to compete next year. Do you think a bunch of 20 year olds will help his plan? No. I won’t be upset if he gets traded but I don’t see a wrong answer here. If he stays it’s great for the kids.

 

[Sunfyre]

personally i would easily move Savard for a 1st if anything sign a vet dman in the offseason or trade for one

going into this draft with 3 first round picks could be huge for a future use both late picks to move up to mid 1st or make another Dach trade but keeping Savard for 1 more year wont have a bigger impact on our team then adding young talent that could help us for the next few years

 

[Team_Spirit]

Sounds like a rerun of the Monahan is not worth a 1st narrative from the main boards

Big play Dave is worth more than you think and Kent is cooking

Exemples;
Kulak for Lagesson, 2nd(Hutson)

Chiarot for Smilanic, 4th(Guindon), 1st (31st used for Newhook)

Petry for Matheson, pick (Bogdan)

Petry again for Lindstrom, 2nd and 4th picks

 

[Archijerej]

I don't expect any activity on our end on deadline day. Our activity will happen the week of the draft.

Depends if we're interested in Hanifin, because if we are, then a sign and trade scenario before the deadline is possible.

Other then that, I agree. Perhaps one of Allen, Savard or Armia will be traded.

Won't surprise me if Hughes is going to be trading aggressively at the draft and in the summer. The management wants this team to take another step next season.

 

[DAChampion]

We shouldn't worry about Allen. The TDL is approaching and a lot of teams wanting to go deep in the playoffs are gonna panic and try getting a goalie(which is what MB should have done the year Kreider injured Price).

Tokarski was a perfectly adequate backup and comparable to what Allen is today.

Habs lost to the Rangers because they couldn't score. I think Vanek got injured in those playoffs, and Therrien may have reduced Eller's ice time against the Rangers. Galchenyuk was a big disappointment.

 

[xposbrad]

He needs to stay if the Canadiens want to make a push next season. Hughes said they want to compete next year. Do you think a bunch of 20 year olds will help his plan? No. I won’t be upset if he gets traded but I don’t see a wrong answer here. If he stays it’s great for the kids.

This team could possibly compete for the playoffs, but it's not going far, definitely not next year. Not until some of the D develop and we bring in 1-2 higher end forwards. This team won't shine until some of the deadweight cap space is also cleared aka #11.

 

[DAChampion]

Matheson doesn't give you Zebras not even close.

It probably costs a lot to import Zebras.

 

[StCaufield]

This team could possibly compete for the playoffs, but it's not going far, definitely not next year. Not until some of the D develop and we bring in 1-2 higher end forwards. This team won't shine until some of the deadweight cap space is also cleared aka #11.

11 will never be gone unless he bought out. As for the playoffs you gotta start somewhere. Gotta lose to learn how to win in my opinion

 

[HABitual Fan]

The time to trade Savard and Matheson is in July when teams see what the free agent defensemen are going for, or failed to get their big target. If you need vets to replace them, hopefully you overpay for a couple on one year deals that can be moved at the TDL opening spots to promote from Laval. Barring incredible seasons, can't see any of the current roster holding much value at the TDL so if HuGo wants picks for '26 draft they will have to find some vets that teams may be interested in. Armia,, Dvo , Allen will probably finish their contracts in Montreal unless some team needs to move an even more expensive expiring contract to clear space for the TDL.

 

[LaP]

He needs to stay if the Canadiens want to make a push next season. Hughes said they want to compete next year. Do you think a bunch of 20 year olds will help his plan? No. I won’t be upset if he gets traded but I don’t see a wrong answer here. If he stays it’s great for the kids.

Savard will be 34 next season. There's a very good chance he'll be a liability more than anything else. I know it's very popular on this board to think all players are Jagr or Chara and can be useful in their mid 30ies to 40ies but the reality is most players are done by 33-34. Savard is on borrowed time he can hit a wall at anytime and it's likely going to be ugly when he does because of his lack of fitness. It's probably be quick like Kessel.

 

[CaptainKirk]

It probably costs a lot to import Zebras.

Plus we’ve already got a donkey.

 

[Gustave]

Sounds like a rerun of the Monahan is not worth a 1st narrative from the main boards

Big play Dave is worth more than you think and Kent is cooking

Exemples;
Kulak for Lagesson, 2nd(Hutson)

Chiarot for Smilanic, 4th(Guindon), 1st (31st used for Newhook)

Petry for Matheson, pick (Bogdan)

Petry again for Lindstrom, 2nd and 4th picks

Being a Habs fan means you are delusionnal on value assessment. It's a main board rule.

 

[Mikah]

Where did you come up with 6.5 for Matheson...?

Oh nvm.. he is paid 6.5 for the last 2 seasons. The cap hit is 4.875. That does not change the argument though. He is not a rental.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Savard is the one to go. Big value and old. Cash in while value is at pick and he’s healthy. We can retain 50%.

We have Reinbacher and Mailloux that will graduate on RD in the next two years . Add in Hutson . We can’t have all those player to graduate the same year. So, I think Mailloux makes the team next year , and the year after Hutson and Rein graduate. Moreover , it’s a possibility we go BPA at the draft , wish could be a defenseman. We need roster spots.

Next year defense:
Matheson Ghule
Struble Kovacevic/Barron
Xhekaj Mailloux
Harris
Matheson i keep until a defenseman shows he can produce 40 ppts + (Hutson/Mailloux)

I don't think so. Savard is way overrated here when it comes to his trading value. If you want him to be traded, it's because you don't like him. You don't like him and you think a gm will be dumb enough to give a late 1rst round for him? He's not a star, he's old, he can be a good 5th D on a packed team, this is his best. He's not good enough to be a top 4 D on a contender team. Habs fans here need to come back to reality.

 

[sampollock]

one thing I can't figure is.. if Math as to stay , needed on this team

then why the hate on him every game habs play this year??

 

[ML16]

I don't think so.. we are not talking about the same thing at all.

Matheson has 2 more years at $6.5M/yr, while Tanev and Hanifin are in their last year, at $4.5M and $4.95M, respectively.

One is a medium-term investment, the other two are playoff rentals. They won't retain on Matheson over such a term.

At this point, most contenders don't have that kind of salary cap this year and in the years to come. They will likely prioritize players that will need to be signed at the end of the season before adding a $6.5M salary.

The only player with some value right now is Savard, and it's a mixed feeling whether it's worth getting a 2nd round considering the impact on the development of the rest of the team. Montreal already has so many picks...

My guess? Montreal will move if a very good offer is made (ie a 1st round), but otherwise, nothing will happen at the trade deadline. They are more likely to make a move akin to Newhook at the draft, to transform draft picks into players that are closer to the NHL.

Although he’s paid 6.5M, Matheson’s yearly cap hit is actually 4.875M; a bargain, especially at the rate he’s producing (top-15 D in the NHL, if I recall correctly)

This being said, I don’t see how the Habs can seriously entertain the idea of trading him unless it’s a ridiculous overpayment; the D corps is way too green at the moment.

Maybe in his last contract year (2025-2026); if so, he would likely fetch a bundle, especially at 50%. Then again, could be a good candidate for another contract to be the D corps’ « big brother » to facilitate Hutson, Reinbacher and co’s integration into the lineup.

 

[red devil]

Depends if we're interested in Hanifin, because if we are, then a sign and trade scenario before the deadline is possible.

Other then that, I agree. Perhaps one of Allen, Savard or Armia will be traded.

Won't surprise me if Hughes is going to be trading aggressively at the draft and in the summer. The management wants this team to take another step next season.

Hanifin wants to play in the US and will be signing with an American team as a free agent

 

[LaP]

Tokarski was a perfectly adequate backup and comparable to what Allen is today.

Habs lost to the Rangers because they couldn't score. I think Vanek got injured in those playoffs, and Therrien may have reduced Eller's ice time against the Rangers. Galchenyuk was a big disappointment.

The main problem in those playoffs is Lars Eller was hands down our best center and it was not even close. AG was injured an barely played. He came back during the NYR series and was probably not 100%.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't think so. Savard is way overrated here when it comes to his trading value. If you want him to be traded, it's because you don't like him. You don't like him and you think a gm will be dumb enough to give a late 1rst round for him? He's not a star, he's old, he can be a good 5th D on a packed team, this is his best. He's not good enough to be a top 4 D on a contender team. Habs fans here need to come back to reality.

Savard has value as a 4/5 D at $1.75M AAV (after retention) for two playoff runs.

That type of player gets you a 1st rounder for one playoff run (see Chiarot). Two runs could get a late 1st plus 2nd or equivalent players/prospects.

 

[BLONG7]

I don't think so. Savard is way overrated here when it comes to his trading value. If you want him to be traded, it's because you don't like him. You don't like him and you think a gm will be dumb enough to give a late 1rst round for him? He's not a star, he's old, he can be a good 5th D on a packed team, this is his best. He's not good enough to be a top 4 D on a contender team. Habs fans here need to come back to reality.

As we know, value is a slippery slope................a contending team could lose a Dman to injury, and all leverage changes.
Value for any one available is liquid, day to day as the deadline approaches. A contender you are going up against makes a move, and forces your hand so to speak................leverage is what Hughes does. I never get into discussions based on value, because the GM's themselves don't know they are going to give up what exactly when they get up in the AM.

Let's hope the habs come away from this deadline with a little more draft capital for the summer......myself personally, it might be too soon to trade Matheson or Savard, as we feel we need some vets, especially on D............but if something big is offered you then have no choice.

Stay tuned....