HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[26Mats]

He is clearly having the best offensive season of his career at 29 years old not sure it's sustainable going forward by looking at his numbers in the past so if the offer is really good like a first a second and an A prospect Hughes sould go for it imo

Matheson has never been in a role like this nor been given this much freedom to play like this, even to develop his game where he's allowed to make mistakes.

Having said, that, will his role change when Hutaon, Reinbacher, and Mailloux come in? Probably his number 1 pp time will go down. Maybe at some point Reinbacher will reduce his 5 on 5 minutes. Bit maybe not since Reinbacher plays right, and so far Matheson still plays more than Guhle.

I like the guy more than I dislike, even though sometimes I feel a crackhead plopped into a Habs jersey could make better decisions with the puck or about where to position himself. But even at his advanced age for a hockey player, I still hope he can figure out and improve his defensive game, as he's done with his offensive game. He certainly has the skating ability to be a top defender.

 

[salbutera]

Peak Petry (before his ‘trade me’ meltdown lol) was 2x the player Matheson is…I just can’t get over the amount of errors he dishes out…I don’t think you can win with a player like that in the playoffs when a single mistake can lose a game.
A lot of people seem to love him but I’m not one - first solid offer I’d ship him out.

Peak Petry was also sheltered on 2nd pair by Weber playing 1D TOI - a luxury Matheson doesn’t have

 

[Mr Bop]

When was the last time any type of “haul” was paid to acquire an asset at trade deadline?

Teams simply don’t take on assets w term at deadline - term deals are offseason moves

For a haul on term:
A first and 2 seconds for Chychrun ( who was halfway through a 6 year deal).

Other big deadline deals recently were:

The Meier trade was also pretty big, with a 1st, solid prospect (Mukhamaduhlin) and conditional 2nd.

Jeannot for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th and Cal Foote.

A haul doesn't have to be a million pieces coming over, just value of the return.

 

[HuGort]

Matheson has never been in a role like this nor been given this much freedom to play like this, even to develop his game where he's allowed to make mistakes.

Having said, that, will his role change when Hutaon, Reinbacher, and Mailloux come in? Probably his number 1 pp time will go down. Maybe at some point Reinbacher will reduce his 5 on 5 minutes. Bit maybe not since Reinbacher plays right, and so far Matheson still plays more than Guhle.

I like the guy more than I dislike, even though sometimes I feel a crackhead plopped into a Habs jersey could make better decisions with the puck or about where to position himself. But even at his advanced age for a hockey player, I still hope he can figure out and improve his defensive game, as he's done with his offensive game. He certainly has the skating ability to be a top defender.

Matheson be traded at some point. Just not sure if this deadline

 

[Adam Michaels]

Damn it! Finally, a post that makes sense when it comes to Matheson. I couldn't believe the nonsense about trading him.

Agreed. The discourse on Matheson is unfair. He frustrates me mainly on the PP when he often ignored Slaf (doesn't as much anymore) and when he decides to shoot, more often than not his shot gets blocked.

Even then, while many will point to the fact that it's easy to pick up points when you just pass it to Suzuki or Caufield on the PP. The fact remains, he is still the one distributing the puck on those PPs.

But overall, Matheson's been solid. His defensive game isn't the greatest, but when you are on pace for 60+ pts, I can live with some other deficiencies.

 

[Scotianhab]

Matheson be traded at some point. Just not sure if this deadline

You can be sure it won’t be this deadline

 

[CAUFIELD]

Savard is the one to go. Big value and old. Cash in while value is at pick and he’s healthy. We can retain 50%.

We have Reinbacher and Mailloux that will graduate on RD in the next two years . Add in Hutson . We can’t have all those player to graduate the same year. So, I think Mailloux makes the team next year , and the year after Hutson and Rein graduate. Moreover , it’s a possibility we go BPA at the draft , wish could be a defenseman. We need roster spots.

Next year defense:
Matheson Ghule
Struble Kovacevic/Barron
Xhekaj Mailloux
Harris
Matheson i keep until a defenseman shows he can produce 40 ppts + (Hutson/Mailloux)

 

[26Mats]

Matheson be traded at some point. Just not sure if this deadline

Yes, I think so too. I'm just not sure if this deadline, when he's 38, or some point in between.

 

[Kosseca]

And what if Matheson has a shit year next year? You lost all possibilities to get some nice future for him (just like we did with Anderson or Petry a few years ago). Its primordial for this rebuild that Hughes trades him for haul this tdl. You can always sign a guy like Edmundson for one year for the veteran presence.

Matheson is more then just a vet presence, he's the only offensive D that the team has right now. You can trade him until you know that one of Hutson, Barron or Mailloux can step into his role and that wont happen until late next year at best. So unles the deal brings a MASSIVE return, you dont trade him.

Other thing is that comments from the players after Monahan was traded seems to indicated that loosing good players was starting to take a tool on them. So you dont trade Matheson for something that will help in 3yrs

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Matheson is more then just a vet presence, he's the only offensive D that the team has right now. You can trade him until you know that one of Hutson, Barron or Mailloux can step into his role and that wont happen until late next year at best. So unles the deal brings a MASSIVE return, you dont trade him.

Other thing is that comments from the players after Monahan was traded seems to indicated that loosing good players was starting to take a tool on them. So you dont trade Matheson for something that will help in 3yrs

Exactly. And the massive return would have to include an A prospect ready for the NHL by the beginning of next season at the latest.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Matheson aint going nowhere atleast not this year

Savard is 50/50 i think management knows hes well liked and brings a vet presense but for the right offer he will be traded

 

[dinodebino]

Savard is the one to go. Big value and old. Cash in while value is at pick and he’s healthy. We can retain 50%.

We have Reinbacher and Mailloux that will graduate on RD in the next two years . Add in Hutson . We can’t have all those player to graduate the same year. So, I think Mailloux makes the team next year , and the year after Hutson and Rein graduate. Moreover , it’s a possibility we go BPA at the draft , wish could be a defenseman. We need roster spots.

Next year defense:
Matheson Ghule
Struble Kovacevic/Barron
Xhekaj Mailloux
Harris
Matheson i keep until a defenseman shows he can produce 40 ppts + (Hutson/Mailloux)

Not enough experience.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Matheson aint going nowhere atleast not this year

Savard is 50/50 i think management knows hes well liked and brings a vet presense but for the right offer he will be traded

I don't think either of them should be moved, unless a Pejorative Slured offer comes our way. This team will need some leadership come next September on the blue line, we cannot just play 6 young d's with a lack of NHL experience. Already with just them 2 it's rough

 

[Kosseca]

Savard is the one to go. Big value and old. Cash in while value is at pick and he’s healthy. We can retain 50%.

We have Reinbacher and Mailloux that will graduate on RD in the next two years . Add in Hutson . We can’t have all those player to graduate the same year. So, I think Mailloux makes the team next year , and the year after Hutson and Rein graduate. Moreover , it’s a possibility we go BPA at the draft , wish could be a defenseman. We need roster spots.

Next year defense:
Matheson Ghule
Struble Kovacevic/Barron
Xhekaj Mailloux
Harris
Matheson i keep until a defenseman shows he can produce 40 ppts + (Hutson/Mailloux)

Similar to Matheson, I highly doubt that Savard get traded. RD is thin right now. Mailloux most likely require another season in the AHL and Reinb. still need to play a game on N-A size ice. So, discounting them for this season and most likely next, you only have Guhle, Kova and Barron.... and this is a scary thought.

More importantly is what he brings in terms of leadership. The way he play and the way he act office has a positive impact on building a good culture. Sure you can trade him and sign a UFA vet, but will that guy be as good as what Savard brings? Sometime the best deals are the one you dont make

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Damn it! Finally, a post that makes sense when it comes to Matheson. I couldn't believe the nonsense about trading him.

Yeah realistically you can't trade Matheson unless you have someone to fill the void. That's why I'd allow MSL to get his hands on Hutson next year. See if he's ready. If by the end of the 2024-25 season, they feel as though he can pretty much take over for Matheson, then you trade him.

Anyways unless they're getting a top pick for him, the only type of trade that would be consistent with HuGos plan of an accelerated rebuild is if they got a youngish elite player for Matheson+. If not then it's not realistic at all

 

[xposbrad]

If Matheson can get a decent prospect, now is when you need to dump him to get the most value. Calgary is going to unload Han/Tan and get some good stuff back and drop below us in the standings most likely. If this is the last rebuilding year, then we really need to unload anyone not going to be here in 2+ years when we are competing including Savard if he can get us a 2nd or prospect.

 

[HuGort]

Yes, I think so too. I'm just not sure if this deadline, when he's 38, or some point in between.

The only chance I would trade Matheson now is for over payment.

 

[SwiftyHab]

See what Hanifin gets then you’ll get a better idea of the price on matheson

 

[xposbrad]

See what Hanifin gets then you’ll get a better idea of the price on matheson

Are they worth the same? Hanifin is a bit better on D and like 5-6 years younger.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Are they worth the same? Hanifin is a bit better on D and like 5-6 years younger.

How about 3 years younger?

I don't think he said they were worth the same.

Matheson is also signed for the next 2 years at a very good AAV. That has to be factored in.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

How about 3 years younger?

I don't think he said they were worth the same.

Matheson is also signed for the next 2 years at a very good AAV. That has to be factored in.

And Matheson is a bigger point producer.

 

[Kosseca]

If Matheson can get a decent prospect, now is when you need to dump him to get the most value. Calgary is going to unload Han/Tan and get some good stuff back and drop below us in the standings most likely. If this is the last rebuilding year, then we really need to unload anyone not going to be here in 2+ years when we are competing including Savard if he can get us a 2nd or prospect.

This is not the stock market, there is more to trading a player then just "value".

 

[austin316]

I don't expect any activity on our end on deadline day. Our activity will happen the week of the draft.

 

[durojean]

Well, they wanted to go scorched earth for their best chance at Bedard...and it worked.
Ducks are not trying to rebuild the rebuild...they just don't think he fits.

There is a off chance that the ducks would want to add a good veteran presence with experience and leadership to their line up. They are 9 millions under the cap also.

They are one of the teams that could really well want a Anderson or Gallagher, maybe even Dvorak in a deal with the Habs for Zegras and it would not be the end of the world for them.

 

[CAUFIELD]

Why holding on Savard ? Wait for is value to go down ? Wait for him to get injured ? TRADE HIM KENT.

It will also help our tank this year . We need a top 5 pick and a chance to draft Demidov or Lindstrom !