HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[MadMslm]

He low-balled Danault which is why his play was off. He was mad. He totally botched the Kotkeniemi debacle which started when he was benched in the playoffs but the worst coach that has has ever coached at the NHL level - a Bergevin hire. You might remember the famous photo of a frustrated Kotkeniemi with his fingers in the air.

I don't get how you can defend any of this stuff? Bergevin screwed the pooch left, right and... center! He lost Danault because he low-balled him, then wouldn't match the Kings offer that was $500k more. He played games with Kotkeniemi who should have never been unsigned during free agency season, where he got burnt for trying to offer sheet Aho out of Carolina.

He reaped the results of his own stupidity. Then he panicked and overpaid for Dvorak. Failure upon failure, upon failure. He was the architect of his own misery.


I won't even mention the way he treated Markov and Radulov.

He offered Danault twice 5M a year, at the beginning and at the end of the season.

Where did low-ball him ? Every single person on this forum wanted KK and Suzuki to be in a top 6 position. Which means Danault would lose the best wingers on the team.

Something he clearly did not want. He stated multiple times that he wants PP time and wants to be used in offensive situations.

THE ONLY TRUTH HERE, is that if Danault wanted to stay he would have stayed.

He knew Price and Weber were done, he knew he would fall down the depth chart and he just passed through a season where he struggled and got a lot of criticism.

The idea behind all of that was not the problem, in the end it’s the execution that was.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Trade Savard at deadline and make a pitch for Rasmus Andersson this summer. Friedman says he could be disponible.

I'd be curious to know what's the ask from Calgary, if he is indeed available.

 

[74 others]

Allen and Harris are the only players I would trade at the TDL.

 

[Scotianhab]

He is clearly having the best offensive season of his career at 29 years old not sure it's sustainable going forward by looking at his numbers in the past so if the offer is really good like a first a second and an A prospect Hughes sould go for it imo

A lot of Dmen take years to reach top
Potential. Being only 29 I don’t see why Matheson can’t duplicate his offensive numbers for the next 2/3 seasons at least.

 

[Ezpz]

Allen and Harris are the only players I would trade at the TDL.

I think there's no rush for Harris. He's had a tough sophomore slump. No reason to sell low. If they were really shopping Harris or planning to deal him at the deadline Struble would be in the AHL while Harris gets top minutes.

If anything the way they tried to give Savard 22-23 minutes a night when he first came back from injury tells me they're shopping him. On top of trying Guhle on the right side as an obvious allusion that they will need to fill RD minutes if they trade him and not calling up Mailloux for even a single game for becoming the AHL leading scorer amongst dman briefly.

 

[teamfirst]

A lot of Dmen take years to reach top
Potential. Being only 29 I don’t see why Matheson can’t duplicate his offensive numbers for the next 2/3 seasons at least.

Well he hasn't done it in his first 8 season so chance are he get back to normak, but yes it is a possibility, still i will be ready to trade him while his value is high cuz his contract ends when we probably gonna be ready to compete

I think that gambling on him having the same kind of numbers the next two seasons would not be the right choice if a very good offer comes in this year

Wouldn't you trade him for 1st-2nd picks plus an A prospect, obviously to me it would depends on who this A prospect is

 

[Scotianhab]

Well he hasn't done it in his first 8 season so chance are he get back to normak, but yes it is a possibility, still i will be ready to trade him while his value is high cuz his contract ends when we probably gonna be ready to compete

I think that gambling on him having the same kind of numbers the next two seasons would not be the right choice if a very good offer comes in this year

Wouldn't you trade him for 1st-2nd picks plus an A prospect, obviously to me it would depends on who this A prospect is

We also need our young team to win games. Learn how to win. 2026/2027 first rd picks will be ready when Suzuki is 30. Need vets to mentor Reinbacher, Mailloux, Hutson as well. Savard will be gone by next trade deadline.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Anderson’s a toolsy low IQ player but so long as teams continue to hire dino-GMs who fantasize about unicorn power forwards, he should be moveable. Might just be a question of Hughes adjusting his expectations but I do believe there is always a market for this type of player.

From your mouth to Don waddel’s ears

 

[Weltschmerz]

I'd be curious to know what's the ask from Calgary, if he is indeed available.

Fans on the main board want a top 6 center.

 

[McGees]

Fans on the main board want a top 6 center.

 

[Vachon23]

He low-balled Danault which is why his play was off. He was mad. He totally botched the Kotkeniemi debacle which started when he was benched in the playoffs but the worst coach that has has ever coached at the NHL level - a Bergevin hire. You might remember the famous photo of a frustrated Kotkeniemi with his fingers in the air.

I don't get how you can defend any of this stuff? Bergevin screwed the pooch left, right and... center! He lost Danault because he low-balled him, then wouldn't match the Kings offer that was $500k more. He played games with Kotkeniemi who should have never been unsigned during free agency season, where he got burnt for trying to offer sheet Aho out of Carolina.

He reaped the results of his own stupidity. Then he panicked and overpaid for Dvorak. Failure upon failure, upon failure. He was the architect of his own misery.


I won't even mention the way he treated Markov and Radulov.

That’s not true

The reason Phillip Danault is not in MTL Is because his wife didn’t want to be in MTL anymore. He wouldn’t have re-sign even with the same offer he had from LA on the table.

There is nothing MB could have done to keep him (except maybe overpaying him)

500k of difference is not that much a low ball offer, they could easily have an agreement if Danault wanted

 

[Bacchus1]

That’s not true

The reason Phillip Danault is not in MTL Is because his wife didn’t want to be in MTL anymore. He wouldn’t have re-sign even with the same offer he had from LA on the table.

There is nothing MB could have done to keep him (except maybe overpaying him)

500k of difference is not that much a low ball offer, they could easily have an agreement if Danault wanted

Bergie was on record saying that Danault was a 3rd line centre, and Danault didn’t want to be pigeon holed.

Bergie was a terrible gm.

 

[Vachon23]

Bergie was on record saying that Danault was a 3rd line centre, and Danault didn’t want to be pigeon holed.

Bergie was a terrible gm.

I’m not here to be defend Berg and I’m not saying he was a great GM

But if someone always believe in Danault and someone who Danault should be grateful of it’s Bergevin.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I’m not here to be defend Berg and I’m not saying he was a great GM

But if someone always believe in Danault and someone who Danault should be grateful of it’s Bergevin.

You absolutely are there to defend him like you did when he was employed. Lol stop pretending.

 

[rahad]

He is clearly having the best offensive season of his career at 29 years old not sure it's sustainable going forward by looking at his numbers in the past so if the offer is really good like a first a second and an A prospect Hughes sould go for it imo

Matheson had 34 points in only 48 games last season. He can produce 50+ for the next two seasons. He also play around 20mins+. We need him right now. Our D groups are very young.

I don't see him or Savard getting traded this year. Maybe Savard in 2025 and Matheson in 2026.

 

[McGees]

Peak Petry (before his ‘trade me’ meltdown lol) was 2x the player Matheson is…I just can’t get over the amount of errors he dishes out…I don’t think you can win with a player like that in the playoffs when a single mistake can lose a game.
A lot of people seem to love him but I’m not one - first solid offer I’d ship him out.

 

[Nicko999]

Peak Petry (before his ‘trade me’ meltdown lol) was 2x the player Matheson is…I just can’t get over the amount of errors he dishes out…I don’t think you can win with a player like that in the playoffs when a single mistake can lose a game.
A lot of people seem to love him but I’m not one - first solid offer I’d ship him out.

Peak Petry was maybe slightly better overall than Matheson but 2x times the player is a stretch.
You don't have to worry about the playoffs, Matheson will most likely be gone by the time we can contend.

 

[BLONG7]

Allen and Harris are the only players I would trade at the TDL.

Pearson...........Armia............Gallagher.......I know no one wants heart and soul for 6.5M but just wishful thinking............poor Gally, he is soon going to be on the 5th line.

 

[Habs Icing]

There is close to zero chance Hughes is trading Matheson.

When we moved away from Petry, Hughes was crystal clear that a puck moving defenceman would have be aquired to fill the void. He then hit a bullseye with Matheson.

Trading him would be suicidal from a team building perspective. Good luck explaining to our coach and young players why are we aiming at finishing bottom 5 again next season and why they should prepare themselves for their point totals going down significantly after we have traded the only defenceman capable of regularly beating a forecheck.

There is much higher probability that we're going to trade one of our young defencemen for an established one like Hanifin.

Damn it! Finally, a post that makes sense when it comes to Matheson. I couldn't believe the nonsense about trading him.

 

[BLONG7]

Bergie was on record saying that Danault was a 3rd line centre, and Danault didn’t want to be pigeon holed.

Bergie was a terrible gm.

Bergevin was a terrible GM, but in the case of Phil, he is a 3rd line C.
There are a thousand reasons to call Bergevin a terrible GM, but telling Phil he was a 3rd line C is not one of them.
Should we have kept him yes, but he did NOT want to stay.
Phil is currently in LA a notch below Kopitar and Byfield, we all knew this would happen. And it did.

 

[417]

If Ottawa, Arizona or buffalo wants to offer their 1st unprotected, id listen lol

It would be pretty hilarious for either of those teams to have had the year they had, have a potential top 5-7 pick and say

"Hey, I know we didn't meet expectations this year, but we did it for Mike Matheson".

So yeah, if they want to dangle their unprotected 1st...i'm all ears lol

Bergevin was a terrible GM, but in the case of Phil, he is a 3rd line C.
There are a thousand reasons to call Bergevin a terrible GM, but telling Phil he was a 3rd line C is not one of them.
Should we have kept him yes, but he did NOT want to stay.
Phil is currently in LA a notch below Kopitar and Byfield, we all knew this would happen. And it did.

Yeah agreed...nothing against the player but i'm glad MB dodged that bullet.

The problem is he then turned around and handled the Kotkaniemi fiasco the way he did.

Story of his tenure, anything good he did, he then did something else to undo that good.

 

[Mr Bop]

What about TB offering Sergachev? We could flip him for a young top 6 F.

Just dreaming out loud but If Tampa would do Matheson for Sergachev, id try to flip him to Columbus for Kent Johnson. Columbus has a ton of prospects + picks but need some support from real NHLers.

If we could add to that package to get Mateychuk or Voronkov

 

[Bacchus1]

Bergevin was a terrible GM, but in the case of Phil, he is a 3rd line C.
There are a thousand reasons to call Bergevin a terrible GM, but telling Phil he was a 3rd line C is not one of them.
Should we have kept him yes, but he did NOT want to stay.
Phil is currently in LA a notch below Kopitar and Byfield, we all knew this would happen. And it did.

Those are two separate paragraphs, and thus, two separate ideas.

Bergie was a terrible GM for so many reasons that I didn’t want to innumerate them.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

He offered Danault twice 5M a year, at the beginning and at the end of the season.

Where did low-ball him ? Every single person on this forum wanted KK and Suzuki to be in a top 6 position. Which means Danault would lose the best wingers on the team.

Something he clearly did not want. He stated multiple times that he wants PP time and wants to be used in offensive situations.

THE ONLY TRUTH HERE, is that if Danault wanted to stay he would have stayed.

He knew Price and Weber were done, he knew he would fall down the depth chart and he just passed through a season where he struggled and got a lot of criticism.

The idea behind all of that was not the problem, in the end it’s the execution that was.

KK top 6 position before Danault ? Are you feeling right? Do you want to see a doctor?
What line plays KK today?
What line Danault play today?
What are the stats of both players since 2021?

 

[salbutera]

Less than 3 weeks until the deadline, 19 days to be precise. Hope Hughes and Co are considering offers on Matheson and Savard. I'm also not convinced that somebody has to make Matheson expendable first before trading him. If we can get a haul, we cant hesitate. A package of a 1st rounder and solid prospect should be achievable for his point production, cap hit and contract.

If we roll the D pairs evenly, nobody has to play 30 minutes a game.

Guhle - Savard
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Struble - Barron/Harris
Kovacevic

When was the last time any type of “haul” was paid to acquire an asset at trade deadline?

Teams simply don’t take on assets w term at deadline - term deals are offseason moves