HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Sunfyre]

Fun Fact: Matheson is 10th in the NHL for d-man scoring

I do wonder what Hughes would be able to get in a trade for him, but I would probably keep him until Hutson is ready

Let’s hope Hudson can defy the odds and be as effective as our current n1d without his size and skating. At least on the PP he should be. Would be shocked if he gets dealt this year. Earliest next trade deadline or the year after. Someone needs to make him expendable first.

 

[Mr Bop]

Less than 3 weeks until the deadline, 19 days to be precise. Hope Hughes and Co are considering offers on Matheson and Savard. I'm also not convinced that somebody has to make Matheson expendable first before trading him. If we can get a haul, we cant hesitate. A package of a 1st rounder and solid prospect should be achievable for his point production, cap hit and contract.

If we roll the D pairs evenly, nobody has to play 30 minutes a game.

Guhle - Savard
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Struble - Barron/Harris
Kovacevic

 

[Runner77]

To Pittsburg:
Matheson

To montreal
Petry and 1st

To winnipeg
Petry

To montreal
Monahan and a 1st

To pittsburgh
Monahan

To montreal
Next years 1st

Petry and monhan trades Ad Infinitium until we own all the 1sts

Reminds me of that guy who traded a red paper clip and kept bartering and upgrading his trades until he eventually turned it into a house.

 

[The Great Weal]

Boy I bet Hughes regrets not trading Anderson early on. He's completely stopped trying. Hopefully, he will produce better next year so we can trade him with 50% retention.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Another Bergevin masterclass...


Edit: The 1st we gave up was the one used to draft Connor Geekie right? Plus a 2nd in this upcoming draft.

Actually, we gave them the 27th OA pick; however Arizona traded #27, and 2 early 2nds (#34 & #45) to move up to #11, which was held by SJS.

Arizona drafted Geekie at #11. SJS drafted Filip Bystedt, Cam Lund & Mattias Havelid with 27, 34 & 45, respectively.

Arizona drafted Geekie with Sharks pick. Our 2nd round draft pick that we traded in the Dvorak deal is now owned by Winnipeg. Arizona traded it to LAK for Sean Durzi. LAK then traded it to Winnipeg in the PLD trade.

 

[FLHabs]

If Hughes really is getting good offers for Matheson, he has to trade him imo. Yea, it's going to expose the young guys a bit next year, but you have to sell high on him. Hughes can figure out the D during the off season, maybe grab a FA steady dman or something.

Even with all his warts, having a guy like Matheson playing where he should as a #3 or 4 could really be huge for a contender. He'd be perfect for that role.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Reminds me of that guy who traded a red paper clip and kept bartering and upgrading his trades until he eventually turned it into a house.

That guys our GM now. A paper clip and a dream.

 

[Benstheman]

Trade Savard at deadline and make a pitch for Rasmus Andersson this summer. Friedman says he could be disponible.

 

[Team_Spirit]

I guess that Markstrom trade to NJD wasn't so imminent after all.

Eliotte strikes again

 

[Runner77]

Boy I bet Hughes regrets not trading Anderson early on. He's completely stopped trying. Hopefully, he will produce better next year so we can trade him with 50% retention.

They held on to Anderson on the thinking that he’d fill a Kreider-like role, so the Habs never made him available as a trading option.

However, mainstream insiders (FWIW) said even recently, that Hughes continues to field calls for him and would make the move if the right offer came around — which would be a bigger return than whatever Hughes was offered earlier in his tenure.

Players with size, speed and physicality continue to fascinate a horde of NHL GMs and Hughes knows he has the ability to capitalize on that. They all remember how Anderson performed in the playoffs.

Key thing is that Anderson has remained healthy, which is another selling point. Even when he was coming off his shoulder surgery, teams were lining up for him.

We’ll find out soon enough if Hughes has overplayed his hand or maybe, the current state of affairs is simply due to Hughes having been held back by Gorton’s Kreider-like characterization and believing the player could be effective for a rebuilding team.

 

[Habs13]

Actually, we gave them the 27th OA pick; however Arizona traded #27, and 2 early 2nds (#34 & #45) to move up to #11, which was held by SJS.

Arizona drafted Geekie at #11. SJS drafted Filip Bystedt, Cam Lund & Mattias Havelid with 27, 34 & 45, respectively.

Arizona drafted Geekie with Sharks pick. Our 2nd round draft pick that we traded in the Dvorak deal is now owned by Winnipeg. Arizona traded it to LAK for Sean Durzi. LAK then traded it to Winnipeg in the PLD trade.

Seems simple enough. Lol. Almost as confusing as the Calgary pick

 

[bleuetbio]

Discussion on the trade proposal section... actually looked for Avs needs but becomes something possible with Habs

To Long Island:
Newhook
1st Detroit 2024

To Detroit:
Brock Nelson

To Montréal:
Simon Edvinsson

 

[Archijerej]

There is close to zero chance Hughes is trading Matheson.

When we moved away from Petry, Hughes was crystal clear that a puck moving defenceman would have be aquired to fill the void. He then hit a bullseye with Matheson.

Trading him would be suicidal from a team building perspective. Good luck explaining to our coach and young players why are we aiming at finishing bottom 5 again next season and why they should prepare themselves for their point totals going down significantly after we have traded the only defenceman capable of regularly beating a forecheck.

There is much higher probability that we're going to trade one of our young defencemen for an established one like Hanifin.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

This guy credible?

No, but he also adds nothing as most teams would likely check to see the cost of Matheson, but likely to pursue that in the offseason

 

[Archijerej]

They held on to Anderson on the thinking that he’d fill a Kreider-like role, so the Habs never made him available as a trading option.

However, mainstream insiders (FWIW) said even recently, that Hughes continues to field calls for him and would make the move if the right offer came around — which would be a bigger return than whatever Hughes was offered earlier in his tenure.

Players with size, speed and physicality continue to fascinate a horde of NHL GMs and Hughes knows he has the ability to capitalize on that. They all remember how Anderson performed in the playoffs.

Key thing is that Anderson has remained healthy, which is another selling point. Even when he was coming off his shoulder surgery, teams were lining up for him.

We’ll find out soon enough if Hughes has overplayed his hand or maybe, the current state of affairs is simply due to Hughes having been held back by Gorton’s Kreider-like characterization and believing the player could be effective for a rebuilding team.

If he is indeed still fielding calls and teams don't expect retention, he should move Anderson asap.

Expecting Anderson to be Kreider is foolish. Josh is almost exclusively an off the rush player. He doesn't do 50% of the things you would expect from a power forward. Most notably, he kills most cycles, because he can't handle the puck and preserve his balance when checked and he has no awerness of where to place the puck to relieve pressure.

 

[Runner77]

If he is indeed still fielding calls and teams don't expect retention, he should move Anderson asap.

Expecting Anderson to be Kreider is foolish. Josh is almost exclusively an off the rush player. He doesn't do 50% of the things you would expect from a power forward. Most notably, he kills most cycles, because he can't handle the puck and preserve his balance when checked and he has no awerness of where to place the puck to relieve pressure.

Anderson’s a toolsy low IQ player but so long as teams continue to hire dino-GMs who fantasize about unicorn power forwards, he should be moveable. Might just be a question of Hughes adjusting his expectations but I do believe there is always a market for this type of player.

 

[MadMslm]

Don’t see how Matheson gets traded at the deadline unless its for an otherworldly return.

Those type of moves usually happen after the season. Teams have a clearer view of how they want to build their team and not just round it up a few weeks before the playoffs.

I find it crazy how people take Danault’s (or his agent) word like it’s the ultimate truth.

It was reported that Danault was one of the first to receive a contract offer (which he rejected) and then struggled during the season (which probably explains the lack of negotiations).

During that season, there was many instances where he made comments regarding his future on the team and how he wanted to be on an offensive line (at that time he was struggling and many wanted the Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line to be broken so KK would get better line mates).

Fast forward to the end, Habs still gave Danault a 5M a year contract, which he refused.

People want to shit on Bergevin, but I don’t the wrong in his approach to this situation.

We had fans crying on this board that KK should have a more preeminent role one of the two top lines and the only way to give him that was putting Danault lower on the depth chart (which he admittedly didn’t want).

Then came the offer sheet, and with that history (there were multiple rumours that KK didn’t have the best attitude) Bergevin let it him go. Team had no centers other than Suzuki so he had to make a move.

It didn’t payoff in the long term, but he wasn’t wrong in doing so.

 

[tazsub3]

not when the laughs win the cup!!!! LOL

You mean get out of the first round ? Or is their cup the second round now ?

 

[Habs13]

Trade Savard at deadline and make a pitch for Rasmus Andersson this summer. Friedman says he could be disponible.

We already have two Anderson's... why do you want all the Anderson's?! It didn't work when we collected all the Pitlicks!

 

[Habs13]

Don’t see how Matheson gets traded at the deadline unless its for an otherworldly return.

Those type of moves usually happen after the season. Teams have a clearer view of how they want to build their team and not just round it up a few weeks before the playoffs.

I find it crazy how people take Danault’s (or his agent) word like it’s the ultimate truth.

It was reported that Danault was one of the first to receive a contract offer (which he rejected) and then struggled during the season (which probably explains the lack of negotiations).

During that season, there was many instances where he made comments regarding his future on the team and how he wanted to be on an offensive line (at that time he was struggling and many wanted the Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line to be broken so KK would get better line mates).

Fast forward to the end, Habs still gave Danault a 5M a year contract, which he refused.

People want to shit on Bergevin, but I don’t the wrong in his approach to this situation.

We had fans crying on this board that KK should have a more preeminent role one of the two top lines and the only way to give him that was putting Danault lower on the depth chart (which he admittedly didn’t want).

Then came the offer sheet, and with that history (there were multiple rumours that KK didn’t have the best attitude) Bergevin let it him go. Team had no centers other than Suzuki so he had to make a move.

It didn’t payoff in the long term, but he wasn’t wrong in doing so.

He low-balled Danault which is why his play was off. He was mad. He totally botched the Kotkeniemi debacle which started when he was benched in the playoffs but the worst coach that has has ever coached at the NHL level - a Bergevin hire. You might remember the famous photo of a frustrated Kotkeniemi with his fingers in the air.

I don't get how you can defend any of this stuff? Bergevin screwed the pooch left, right and... center! He lost Danault because he low-balled him, then wouldn't match the Kings offer that was $500k more. He played games with Kotkeniemi who should have never been unsigned during free agency season, where he got burnt for trying to offer sheet Aho out of Carolina.

He reaped the results of his own stupidity. Then he panicked and overpaid for Dvorak. Failure upon failure, upon failure. He was the architect of his own misery.


I won't even mention the way he treated Markov and Radulov.

 

[417]

There is close to zero chance Hughes is trading Matheson.

When we moved away from Petry, Hughes was crystal clear that a puck moving defenceman would have be aquired to fill the void. He then hit a bullseye with Matheson.

Trading him would be suicidal from a team building perspective. Good luck explaining to our coach and young players why are we aiming at finishing bottom 5 again next season and why they should prepare themselves for their point totals going down significantly after we have traded the only defenceman capable of regularly beating a forecheck.

There is much higher probability that we're going to trade one of our young defencemen for an established one like Hanifin.

It would take a crazy deal for the Habs to consider trading Mathieson, so much that it's not even worth imagining.

He's an important player and part of what they're trying to do now, they're not trading him for some futures.

 

[teamfirst]

Don’t see how Matheson gets traded at the deadline unless its for an otherworldly return.

Those type of moves usually happen after the season. Teams have a clearer view of how they want to build their team and not just round it up a few weeks before the playoffs.

I find it crazy how people take Danault’s (or his agent) word like it’s the ultimate truth.

It was reported that Danault was one of the first to receive a contract offer (which he rejected) and then struggled during the season (which probably explains the lack of negotiations).

During that season, there was many instances where he made comments regarding his future on the team and how he wanted to be on an offensive line (at that time he was struggling and many wanted the Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line to be broken so KK would get better line mates).

Fast forward to the end, Habs still gave Danault a 5M a year contract, which he refused.

People want to shit on Bergevin, but I don’t the wrong in his approach to this situation.

We had fans crying on this board that KK should have a more preeminent role one of the two top lines and the only way to give him that was putting Danault lower on the depth chart (which he admittedly didn’t want).

Then came the offer sheet, and with that history (there were multiple rumours that KK didn’t have the best attitude) Bergevin let it him go. Team had no centers other than Suzuki so he had to make a move.

It didn’t payoff in the long term, but he wasn’t wrong in doing so.

GTFO with all your facts,

More seriously you're spot on with your post but you know.......they're talking MB for god sake even global warming is his fault

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

It would take a crazy deal for the Habs to consider trading Mathieson, so much that it's not even worth imagining.

He's an important player and part of what they're trying to do now, they're not trading him for some futures.

If Ottawa, Arizona or buffalo wants to offer their 1st unprotected, id listen lol

 

[BoneHutson]

If Ottawa, Arizona or buffalo wants to offer their 1st unprotected, id listen lol

What about TB offering Sergachev? We could flip him for a young top 6 F.

 

[teamfirst]

It would take a crazy deal for the Habs to consider trading Mathieson, so much that it's not even worth imagining.

He's an important player and part of what they're trying to do now, they're not trading him for some futures.

He is clearly having the best offensive season of his career at 29 years old not sure it's sustainable going forward by looking at his numbers in the past so if the offer is really good like a first a second and an A prospect Hughes sould go for it imo