HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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Spring in Fialta

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That was his doing by losing both Kotkaniemi and Danault. He panicked because he had screwed himself and every team in the league knew it. To say he over paid for a guy that had never shown much promise is an overstatement.

Yeah, it didn't work out. With that said Dvorak had shown some promise at the time. I wasn't familiar with him because he was played for the Coyotes but their fanbase really, really liked him.

Ultimately I think the trade kind of sucks but is also highly inconsequential.
 
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Dvorak has disappointed offensively but Bergevin had the right idea at the time. Evans was the second line center at that point. He couldn't go into the season with Suzuki on an island.
Had he signed Danault and traded KK for a bonefied C, there wouldn't be a Dvorak. Then again, he pulled a fast one on the Canes with Aho and then once again stole their first round pick.
 
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Yeah, because of injuries, not by design. Going into the year with Evans as your 2nd line center purposefully would be so idiotic.

The trade for Dvorak didn't work out but the idea behind it was sound.
I think everyone would have been happier just resigning Danault even though it would’ve been seen as an overpayment at the time.

It maybe hindsight, but Bergevin backed himself into a corner with incompetence that summer. The KK offer sheet was a direct result of his idiotic Aho offersheet, so in the end he had to trade a first to replace Danault and KK.

That’s on Bergevin, it was a desperation move. Not a sound one.
 

Spring in Fialta

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I think everyone would have been happier just resigning Danault even though it would’ve been seen as an overpayment at the time.

It maybe hindsight, but Bergevin backed himself into a corner with incompetence that summer. The KK offer sheet was a direct result of his idiotic Aho offersheet, so in the end he had to trade a first to replace Danault and KK.

That’s on Bergevin, it was a desperation move. Not a sound one.

Losing Danault just to end up with Dvorak for a low first was silly, I agree.

Doesn't mean the idea wasn't right two months after at that place and time.
 
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I think everyone would have been happier just resigning Danault even though it would’ve been seen as an overpayment at the time.

It maybe hindsight, but Bergevin backed himself into a corner with incompetence that summer. The KK offer sheet was a direct result of his idiotic Aho offersheet, so in the end he had to trade a first to replace Danault and KK.

That’s on Bergevin, it was a desperation move. Not a sound one.
He missed big time there. It started when he made Gallagher 'his' man and not Danault.
6,5 for Gally already showing great fatigue and too cheap to give 5,5 to Danault, not even discussing salary with his agent thru the season. So he lost danault (never injured, top def center in the league), gave 2 good picks to sign 4,5 f*** Dvorak, tab***ak ! And he lost KK too.

Dvorak injured 1/2 of the time and not helping a little bit developping our young forwards.
 

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Finally, the narrative in aug 21, he's better and cheaper than Dano, it was all wrong? And he cost a 1rst and a second, gezzz ...
I mean his underwhelming tenure in MTL has tanked his value. The price would have surely been paid by another team if it hadn't been for Bergevin and his total desperation but the dude has been a total dud.
 

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I could have sworn his contact was off the books this year.. just checked to confirm, and you're right. This may have actually ruined my night

Don't despair fully. Habs had Hoffman on the books this year and he had negative value. And somehow, Hughes was able to move him without retention in the off-season.

Although they retained on Edmundson, he also had negative value, mainly because of his injury issues. And yet, Hughes found a taker even if Eddy had another season left on his deal.

One thing we can appreciate about HuGo, they find ways to get someone off their roster.

I think that if Dvorak is still there next year, then I believe Armia won't be. I believe they're going to find a way to get at least one of them, if not both off their roster by the start of next year. Armia has more value than Dvorak does. So I think Joel will be easier to move between the two.
 
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Losing Danault just to end up with Dvorak for a low first was silly, I agree.

Doesn't mean the idea wasn't right two months after at that place and time.
It was a fine Hail Mary, I just didn’t want to give MB a pass as he ultimately put himself in that corner.

Had he just not OS’ed Aho, Kotkaniemi is likely either still a Hab or they’d have flipped him shortly after Hughes came on board (a KK for Dach swap, perhaps?)
 
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I think everyone would have been happier just resigning Danault even though it would’ve been seen as an overpayment at the time.

It maybe hindsight, but Bergevin backed himself into a corner with incompetence that summer. The KK offer sheet was a direct result of his idiotic Aho offersheet, so in the end he had to trade a first to replace Danault and KK.

That’s on Bergevin, it was a desperation move. Not a sound one.
Definitely a throw the puck in your own net moment.
 
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Edit: The 1st we gave up was the one used to draft Connor Geekie right? Plus a 2nd in this upcoming draft.
No it was used on Maveric Lamoureux.
Dvorak has disappointed offensively but Bergevin had the right idea at the time. Evans was the second line center at that point. He couldn't go into the season with Suzuki on an island.
Well he could have traded one of the million b level prospects we had for McCann instead of using the last retention slot in the expansion draft on UFA Armia before giving him that horrendous contract. Dvorak was a good player in Arizona, likely a 3rd line guy still, but he was way better than how he's playing here.
 

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I don’t think we’re in the “sell Matheson” era just yet, unless the offer is just bonkers.

Now as for next year? We can definitely consider it once we see what Mailloux is doing and what happens next with Hutson.
And what if Matheson has a shit year next year? You lost all possibilities to get some nice future for him (just like we did with Anderson or Petry a few years ago). Its primordial for this rebuild that Hughes trades him for haul this tdl. You can always sign a guy like Edmundson for one year for the veteran presence.
 
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What's this moaning about Dvorak? Everything indicates that the management wants to improve and compete for a wildcard spot as soon as next season. I'm sure they are perfectly fine with Dvorak as this team's #3C next year. He has one year left on his contract, so he can either help us make the playoffs, redeem his value and be traded at the deadline if we fail, or we just walk away from him in the summer of 2025. What's with this buyout talk?
 

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He missed big time there. It started when he made Gallagher 'his' man and not Danault.
6,5 for Gally already showing great fatigue and too cheap to give 5,5 to Danault, not even discussing salary with his agent thru the season. So he lost danault (never injured, top def center in the league), gave 2 good picks to sign 4,5 f*** Dvorak, tab***ak ! And he lost KK too.

Dvorak injured 1/2 of the time and not helping a little bit developping our young forwards.
Not to mention he didn't trade Tatar and sat him during the playoffs.
 

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It was a fine Hail Mary, I just didn’t want to give MB a pass as he ultimately put himself in that corner.

Had he just not OS’ed Aho, Kotkaniemi is likely either still a Hab or they’d have flipped him shortly after Hughes came on board (a KK for Dach swap, perhaps?)
Should have passed on Dvorak if he couldn't get him for a 1st only. Once KK and Danault were gone the season was lost anyway since they were still short 2 centres. And he should have traded whatever he had to in order to get another centre if he was going to get Dvorak.
 

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Fun Fact: Matheson is 10th in the NHL for d-man scoring

I do wonder what Hughes would be able to get in a trade for him, but I would probably keep him until Hutson is ready
 

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Fun Fact: Matheson is 10th in the NHL for d-man scoring

I do wonder what Hughes would be able to get in a trade for him, but I would probably keep him until Hutson is ready
To Pittsburg:
Matheson

To montreal
Petry and 1st

To winnipeg
Petry

To montreal
Monahan and a 1st

To pittsburgh
Monahan

To montreal
Next years 1st

Petry and monhan trades Ad Infinitium until we own all the 1sts
 
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