HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I still believe there will be more demand for Kovacevic than Savard. Both would be basically 3rd pair RD with contender. Both have term for one more year, but Kovy is below league minimum and we know that cap space is big commodity for any contender. And he is just 26, so he can be cheap servicable D for next 7 years. Pack him with some picks or B prospect and we can get solid return.

He might have more demand because he's cheaper to acquire.

Acquiring Savard likely means the Habs retain 50% which is going to cost the acquiring team even more.

 

[jellybeans]

Yeah but in a 3 way trade where Hughes can take advantage of another team’s needs, then yeah, it could work.

Like sending Matheson + to TB for Sergachev and then sending Sergachev to ANA or WAS for Zegras or LeonarTheir wa

Yeah but in a 3 way trade where Hughes can take advantage of another team’s needs, then yeah, it could work.

Like sending Matheson + to TB for Sergachev and then sending Sergachev to ANA or WAS for Zegras or Leonard

Their was no 3 way trade mentioned and even then Matheson doesn't get you Sergachev again not even close.

 

[HuGort]

I don't think so.. we are not talking about the same thing at all.

Matheson has 2 more years at $6.5M/yr, while Tanev and Hanifin are in their last year, at $4.5M and $4.95M, respectively.

One is a medium-term investment, the other two are playoff rentals. They won't retain on Matheson over such a term.

At this point, most contenders don't have that kind of salary cap this year and in the years to come. They will likely prioritize players that will need to be signed at the end of the season before adding a $6.5M salary.

The only player with some value right now is Savard, and it's a mixed feeling whether it's worth getting a 2nd round considering the impact on the development of the rest of the team. Montreal already has so many picks...

My guess? Montreal will move if a very good offer is made (ie a 1st round), but otherwise, nothing will happen at the trade deadline. They are more likely to make a move akin to Newhook at the draft, to transform draft picks into players that are closer to the NHL.

Matheson caphit is 4.8 million

 

[Runner77]

Pearson is a UFA so it wouldn't matter as I understand it.

The point wasn’t about Pearson in the off season, he’s on an expiring contract.

It was only to go into the off season with the leverage afforded by that last unused retention slot, to be used on a potential deal (Armia, Allen, etc or acting as a 3rd party broker) before retention slots are renewed in July.

 

[BLONG7]

Expect................the Unexpected....

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Expect................the Unexpected....

With HuGo yes, BargainBin.....meh

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

As we know, value is a slippery slope................a contending team could lose a Dman to injury, and all leverage changes.
Value for any one available is liquid, day to day as the deadline approaches. A contender you are going up against makes a move, and forces your hand so to speak................leverage is what Hughes does. I never get into discussions based on value, because the GM's themselves don't know they are going to give up what exactly when they get up in the AM.

Let's hope the habs come away from this deadline with a little more draft capital for the summer......myself personally, it might be too soon to trade Matheson or Savard, as we feel we need some vets, especially on D............but if something big is offered you then have no choice.

Stay tuned....

Agree, if something big is offered, why not!

 

[Egresch]

He might have more demand because he's cheaper to acquire.

Acquiring Savard likely means the Habs retain 50% which is going to cost the acquiring team even more.

There is not a huge gap between those 2 in actual on-ice performance. Agree, teams would need to pay premium for Savard, because he is
- vet with SC under his belt
- we need to retain
- Habs value his service high as vet mentor for our young D and local Q guy
On the other hand, Kovy is not really in long-term plan.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I won’t continu on that Danault/KK discussion because it’s not the essence of this thread, but I feel you completely missed the point of my message.

It doesn’t matter where both players are today, what matters is the idea behind decision that were taken at the end of that season 3 years ago.

The player who was drafted third overall and who was supposed to be a top 2 center on the team needed more ice time in a more preeminent role. Which was impossible with Danault on the team because HE did not want his role reduced.

There is nothing wrong with that idea, it makes sense to give a young player with offensive upside a bigger role especially if you believe in his talent level.

Everyone was crying about his usage and how he wasn’t getting enough opportunities to develop into an offensive splayer.

The end result is irrelevant. I do not like KK and I do not care about Danault. The latter is definitely the better of the two as of today.

The end result is irrelevant. So anything we write or project in future is irrelevant because the end result is irrelevant. The only thing that matters in this case was KK was 'projected' to become a 2nd C and that idea erase all the others. It erase the end result because end result is irrelevant.

In his last year with the Habs, did KK showed he could get more quality icetime?. Did we see a curve going up with his hockey IQ, his skating skills and shooting skills? And in the SCF run, did the coach had the wrong idea to prefer Stall vs KK, or Perry or Danault vs KK?

The idea of a "good projected C" prevail on all the other ideas, despite what you can see and what day to day your logic tells you?

Danault wanted more offensive responsabilities and he got it with the LAK. He made the difference they made the PO or not. They did the PO. Danault scored 27 goals. He made Moore, Iafallo and Arvidsson score goals, they had a good year with Danault. Today Danault is still #2C despite PLD who earn a bigger salary, and LAK are on their way of making the PO for the third time in a row.
5,5 M for making the PO is a bargain don't you think so?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I still believe there will be more demand for Kovacevic than Savard. Both would be basically 3rd pair RD with contender. Both have term for one more year, but Kovy is below league minimum and we know that cap space is big commodity for any contender. And he is just 26, so he can be cheap servicable D for next 7 years. Pack him with some picks or B prospect and we can get solid return.

Yeah but short term I would prefer Savard. He's safe in any situations, this is what coaches love to have in PO. Somehow I beleive the mirage of a good PO run is strong enough to make wrong decision like giving too much for D like Savard. If I was a gm, I wouldn't do it but history showed a lot of gms made emotive decisions or let's say gamble decisions. And sometimes it worked, so ...

 

[sampollock]

Trading Matheson this year is dumb. Plain and simple. You need good players who transitions well to your star players. We want Slaf to continue to develop well we need Matheson and his offence to help with that.

then why the hate here , maybe not from you but so many

 

[417]

peaceThe point wasn’t about Pearson in the off season, he’s on an expiring contract.

It was only to go into the off season with the leverage afforded by that last unused retention slot, to be used on a potential deal (Armia, Allen, etc or acting as a 3rd party broker) before retention slots are renewed in July.

Oops misunderstood.

My bad

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

The end result is irrelevant. So anything we write or project in future is irrelevant because the end result is irrelevant. The only thing that matters in this case was KK was 'projected' to become a 2nd C and that idea erase all the others. It erase the end result because end result is irrelevant.

In his last year with the Habs, did KK showed he could get more quality icetime?. Did we see a curve going up with his hockey IQ, his skating skills and shooting skills? And in the SCF run, did the coach had the wrong idea to prefer Stall vs KK, or Perry or Danault vs KK?

The idea of a "good projected C" prevail on all the other ideas, despite what you can see and what day to day your logic tells you?

Danault wanted more offensive responsabilities and he got it with the LAK. He made the difference they made the PO or not. They did the PO. Danault scored 27 goals. He made Moore, Iafallo and Arvidsson score goals, they had a good year with Danault. Today Danault is still #2C despite PLD who earn a bigger salary, and LAK are on their way of making the PO for the third time in a row.
5,5 M for making the PO is a bargain don't you think so?

Teams will not win with Danault as their 2nd line centre. LA will fail because Dubois should be on the 2nd line and Danault on the 3rd elite checking line. The checking line would of course get siginificant ice time in close games.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

The last paragraph I assume you meant Pearson can't be traded back?

I'm not familiar with that rule... Is there a set amount of time before a player can be traded back to his previous team with retention?


For Allen, I agree... Though a buyout this summer might also address the situation if they can't find a taker, or get a return for Primeau. Addressing the 3 goalie situation, especially with Monty looking ready for 1A usage, I hope will be a priority this summer.

Thanks for the correction.

I don't remember the full wording of the rule but I do know that they absolutely can not trade him back to Vancouver this season with retention. I don't think you can ever trade a player back with retention but I could be wrong on that.......moot point anyways as Pearson is on an expiring contract.

 

[Miller Time]

Teams will not win with Danault as their 2nd line centre. LA will fail because Dubois should be on the 2nd line and Danault on the 3rd elite checking line. The checking line would of course get siginificant ice time in close games.

Danault is better than Stephenson

 

[EXPOS123]

The end result is irrelevant. So anything we write or project in future is irrelevant because the end result is irrelevant. The only thing that matters in this case was KK was 'projected' to become a 2nd C and that idea erase all the others. It erase the end result because end result is irrelevant.

In his last year with the Habs, did KK showed he could get more quality icetime?. Did we see a curve going up with his hockey IQ, his skating skills and shooting skills? And in the SCF run, did the coach had the wrong idea to prefer Stall vs KK, or Perry or Danault vs KK?

The idea of a "good projected C" prevail on all the other ideas, despite what you can see and what day to day your logic tells you?

Danault wanted more offensive responsabilities and he got it with the LAK. He made the difference they made the PO or not. They did the PO. Danault scored 27 goals. He made Moore, Iafallo and Arvidsson score goals, they had a good year with Danault. Today Danault is still #2C despite PLD who earn a bigger salary, and LAK are on their way of making the PO for the third time in a row.
5,5 M for making the PO is a bargain don't you think so?

Dude they were out of the playoff picture a few weeks ago and had to make a coaching change, so no, they are not well on their way to making the playoffs.

Danault gets 40-50 points a year and take away his first season with LA ( from 27 to 18 to currently 10) his goal totals are in the mid teens

Yes, he is good defensively but despite his size is not overly physical or intimidating

We can argue all day long what makes a good #2C but I don’t believe he is

Is he a good player? Yes

Would I want him on my team? Yes as a third line center

Would I pay him 5.5 million a year for 6 years?

No way in hell.

I’m glad they didn’t re sign him. He would not have made a difference here anyway.

The issue was Bozovin was not proactive.

If he had already soured on KK (which judging from his year end presser , he did) he should have packaged him in a deal to get another center.

Instead he waited, the Canes offer sheeted him, Danault left, and the moron was literally left with no centers, which the entire league knew and was left with his pants down which Arizona quickly took advantage of

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Dude they were out of the playoff picture a few weeks ago and had to make a coaching change, so no, they are not well on their way to making the playoffs.

Danault gets 40-50 points a year and take away his first season with LA ( from 27 to 18 to currently 10) his goal totals are in the mid teens

Yes, he is good defensively but despite his size is not overly physical or intimidating

We can argue all day long what makes a good #2C but I don’t believe he is

Is he a good player? Yes

Would I want him on my team? Yes as a third line center

Would I pay him 5.5 million a year for 6 years?

No way in hell.

I’m glad they didn’t re sign him. He would not have made a difference here anyway.

The issue was Bozovin was not proactive.

If he had already soured on KK (which judging from his year end presser , he did) he should have packaged him in a deal to get another center.

Instead he waited, the Canes offer sheeted him, Danault left, and the moron was literally left with no centers, which the entire league knew and was left with his pants down which Arizona quickly took advantage of

LAK had another opinion of Danault than yours and it pays for them. How much for difference maker PO spot? LAK management are actually doing this job and you don't, you are a dude behind his computer. They (LA) think differently than you about Danault and it pays for them. this is the real world facts happening now, not my imagination. But you seem to disagree with facts, this is your take.

But yeah bergevin scr*wd eveything big way. After him the big fall.

 

[Kimota]

Tokarski was a perfectly adequate backup and comparable to what Allen is today.

Habs lost to the Rangers because they couldn't score. I think Vanek got injured in those playoffs, and Therrien may have reduced Eller's ice time against the Rangers. Galchenyuk was a big disappointment.

With Price we could have won. Without him, forget about it. We had nothing in net. We didn't have a great team but it was like going from one extreme to the other.

I remember back then how the Habs were absolutely abysmal all season everytime Price was not in net. Tokarski was garbage. Therrien put him in net cause he thought that he would make a clever move but that didn't work. Close to the TDL I was like please Bergevin get a goalie, please please please. The dummy didn't and we were screwed. Bergevin was always too "all in" for Price and he was blind by everything else. And he failed again to get someone after Price got injured(cause of he always thought he would return).

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Danault is better than Stephenson

Danault automaticly get a lot of ice time cuz so many power offensive stars. Coaches give a center ala Danault to check these guys. And most seasons he ends with + stats. And he often start his shift a face off in def zone.

 

[26Mats]

Damn, Monahan's busting out in the Peg. I was hoping his production would be low, and we re-sign him in the offseason to a team friendly deal.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Famn, Monahan's busting out in the Peg. I was hoping tgis production would be low, and we re-sign him inbthe offseason to a team friendly deal.

Habs will just sign Stamkos then

 

[DAChampion]

With Price we could have won. Without him, forget about it. We had nothing in net. We didn't have a great team but it was like going from one extreme to the other.

I remember back then how the Habs were absolutely abysmal all season everytime Price was not in net. Tokarski was garbage. Therrien put him in net cause he thought that he would make a clever move but that didn't work. Close to the TDL I was like please Bergevin get a goalie, please please please. The dummy didn't and we were screwed. Bergevin was always too "all in" for Price and he was blind by everything else. And he failed again to get someone after Price got injured(cause of he always thought he would return).

That's just not true. Tokarski player with an above average .916 those playoffs, allowing a reasonable 13 goals in 5 games.

The Habs lost because they couldn't score.

 

[The Real Timo]

When’s le prochain game s’ti?

 

[vokiel]

When’s le prochain game s’ti?

Wednesday

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

When’s le prochain game s’ti?

Oilers-Coyotes right now, 2-1 Oilers, Drai just scored.