HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Kudo Shinichi]

The Hawks situation was very different compared to Anaheim.

Anaheim have sucked ass for a while and are in the later stages of their rebuild, after this year will have drafted top 10 for the 6th straight year. They are at the point where they will likely start being competitive in the near future and if they don't see a 22 year old Zegras being a part of that group then that isn't a good look on the player.

The Blackhawks blew up their roster and traded Hagel, Debrincat, Dach and let a 50-60 point young centre in Strome walk for nothing just for the sake of having a better chance of drafting Bedard. Luckily for Davidson they managed to get Bedard while only having a 11.5% shot at him.

No it can't. The Dach situation was one wherein the team was going with a scorched earth rebuild and was just beginning. They were trading basically every positive value NHL asset they had. Anaheim has been rebuilding for a bit and has numerous young high picked players and other happy development stories (Terry) playing in the NHL. The fact they recently traded for a young forward who looks to be Zegras' replacement makes it even worse as that means this has been on their minds for a bit.

It doesn't matter if their situation is a little bit different than the ducks. It made 0 sense for a rebuilding team to trade their 21-year-old forward that they drafted 3rd overall just 3 years prior.

 

[ChuckDemersNorris]

it was weird .....

 

[Destopcorner]

Newhook?

He's not the answer for our future top 6, north south speedster are meant for third lines. Ev3n if size isn't ideal, I could see Mesar having more impact with Dach next camp.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He's not the answer for our future top 6, north south speedster are meant for third lines. Ev3n if size isn't ideal, I could see Mesar having more impact with Dach next camp.

Perhaps, but the question was asked because he was not in the poster's top 9

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Yea i forgot about Newhook lol maybe add him in the trade for Z or Roy/Mesar

 

[vokiel]

i know some dont want him because hes soft but i think Z would flourish in Montreal that kid is made to play in a big market

Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky
2024 1st-Dach-Zegras
Roy-Beck-Mesar

that as potentiel to be a solid top 9

2024 1st, if a forward would most likely not be ready to suit up that early, unless Celibrini, then he plays C right?

 

[HomaridII]

2024 1st, if a forward would most likely not be ready to suit up that early, unless Celibrini, then he plays C right?

He plays centre but he doesn’t take the important face offs. For that they bring in Stevens or Greene. This includes for example power play face offs, overtime etc. on the pp Celebrini takes the right wall, the spot slaf has now.

 

[Habs Icing]

"....Darren Dreger on @TSN690 says the Habs and the Avs have had trade talks surrounding Jake Allen, but there haven’t been meaningful discussions between the two teams for the better part of two weeks...."

What I gathered from this tweet is they are still talking but their conversations have had no meaning. I decided to listen in on their convos and this is what I heard,

Sakic: The big brown fox jumped over the lazy fat dog.
Hughes: Twiddle tum and twiddle dee.
Sakic: I bought a Cortland apple yesterday. Delicious.
Hughes: It looks like rain.
Sakic: I think I'll go to Gaza next week for vacation
Hughes: My wife wants me to lose weight and grow some hair. What do you think?
Sakic: You said it Kent, 'Twiddle tum and twiddle dee.'

dreger knows squat

You got me at a loss. Squat is the GM of which team?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Forgive me if this has already been posted. But LeBrun was on BPM Sports yesterday and said that teams have informed the Habs that if they don't trade Allen by the TDL, they'll be interested in talking in the off-season.

 

[sampollock]

He's not the answer for our future top 6, north south speedster are meant for third lines. Ev3n if size isn't ideal, I could see Mesar having more impact with Dach next camp.

pretty expensive pay for a him then

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

He's not the answer for our future top 6, north south speedster are meant for third lines. Ev3n if size isn't ideal, I could see Mesar having more impact with Dach next camp.

Yet, HuGo paid a hefty price to get him.

 

[sampollock]

Yet, HuGo paid a hefty price to get him.

that is what I was thinking too. better be more then a Evans type player or 4th liner.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Very true.My biggest concern with Zegras is why a rebuilding team like the Ducks are trying to trade him in the 1st place?

My opinion? I think it has more to do with the relationship between player and organization that has soured. The negotiations for his new contract wasn't smooth. They signed him a week before the season started. And instead of a long term contract, they signed him to a 3-year bridge deal.

Also with the arrivals of McTavish and Carlsson, as well as the acquisition of Gauthier, they might look to trade Zegras for other needs. Similar to how they traded Drysdale to acquire another forward.

 

[HuGort]

Forgive me if this has already been posted. But LeBrun was on BPM Sports yesterday and said that teams have informed the Habs that if they don't trade Allen by the TDL, they'll be interested in talking in the off-season.

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Good to know. If we can dump that contract

 

[Adam Michaels]

Good to know. If we can dump that contract

It is guaranteed they're not going into next season with 3 goalies (as Allen, Monty & Primeau are all under contract next year), even if they don't find takers for Allen by TDL and are forced to continue with 3 goalies.

The only good news about them still carrying 3 goalies past the deadline is that there is no roster limit after the TDL. As long as you're cap compliant, you can carry as many players as you want. So it will no longer be a case of the third goalie blocking a roster spot for a skater.

 

[HuGort]

It is guaranteed they're not going into next season with 3 goalies (as Allen, Monty & Primeau are all under contract next year), even if they don't find takers for Allen by TDL and are forced to continue with 3 goalies.

The only good news about them still carrying 3 goalies past the deadline is that there is no roster limit after the TDL. As long as you're cap compliant, you can carry as many players as you want. So it will no longer be a case of the third goalie blocking a roster spot for a skater.

A step in right direction. How's that work with waivers? We can protect a guy if under cap I take it.

 

[BLONG7]

My opinion? I think it has more to do with the relationship between player and organization that has soured. The negotiations for his new contract wasn't smooth. They signed him a week before the season started. And instead of a long term contract, they signed him to a 3-year bridge deal.

Also with the arrivals of McTavish and Carlsson, as well as the acquisition of Gauthier, they might look to trade Zegras for other needs. Similar to how they traded Drysdale to acquire another forward.

Verbeek is not shy about getting $hit done....................he obviously doesn't think, trades are hard.
lol

 

[Adam Michaels]

A step in right direction. How's that work with waivers? We can protect a guy if under cap I take it.

I believe waivers works the same way. It's just that if a team claims a player off waivers and that team makes the playoffs, the player is ineligible to play. But I'm not 100% sure of that. I don't recall a playoff team ever claiming a player off waivers. Non-playoff teams could do that and the player would be able to play o their team until their season is over.

Verbeek is not shy about getting $hit done....................he obviously doesn't think, trades are hard.
lol

A trait he shares with Hughes.

 

[morhilane]

Forgive me if this has already been posted. But LeBrun was on BPM Sports yesterday and said that teams have informed the Habs that if they don't trade Allen by the TDL, they'll be interested in talking in the off-season.

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Teams are probably hoping the acquisition price will be lower and/or Hughes will accept to do retention this off-season.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Teams are probably hoping the acquisition price will be lower and/or Hughes will accept to do retention this off-season.

Yea my guess is that Montreal set a price. Other teams are waiting him out to lower his asking price. And Hughes is waiting them out to the point they will really need to shore up their goaltending for the playoffs and they will meet his asking price.

It's a classic Western stand-off.... for Jake effin' Allen!!!


But in reality, we can say Allen has tanked his value. But according to this, among goalies, he is 18th in the league in goals saved above expected. So that could be something that attracts a team looking for a vet back up.

 

[salbutera]

My opinion? I think it has more to do with the relationship between player and organization that has soured. The negotiations for his new contract wasn't smooth. They signed him a week before the season started. And instead of a long term contract, they signed him to a 3-year bridge deal.

Also with the arrivals of McTavish and Carlsson, as well as the acquisition of Gauthier, they might look to trade Zegras for other needs. Similar to how they traded Drysdale to acquire another forward.

IMO there’s a lot of similarities between Zegras / Verbeek relationship to Subban / MB - the player doesn’t fit the mold the GM desires in a player for their team.

 

[salbutera]

Yea my guess is that Montreal set a price. Other teams are waiting him out to lower his asking price. And Hughes is waiting them out to the point they will really need to shore up their goaltending for the playoffs and they will meet his asking price.

It's a classic Western stand-off.... for Jake effin' Allen!!!


But in reality, we can say Allen has tanked his value. But according to this, among goalies, he is 18th in the league in goals saved above expected. So that could be something that attracts a team looking for a vet back up.

Aaron Ward a couple of weeks back mentioned the analytics company he works for has data showing Habs as being 3rd worst in the league in allowing D zone entires and how all 3G are playing well above expectations.

The zone entries make the Habs D look bad, because they are odd man rushes and have forced G to perform well above expectations - on a team w strong fwd back support the G would provide strong stabilization.

Citing Canes as prime example of a team that would significantly benefit from Allen acquisition

 

[Habaneros]

IMO there’s a lot of similarities between Zegras / Verbeek relationship to Subban / MB - the player doesn’t fit the mold the GM desires in a player for their team.

Lol...yes and just recently former Nashville GM said he regrets trading for Subban.
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Turns out, David Poile, the man who made more trades than any general manager in NHL history, has some regret about what was arguably his biggest trade.

The trade heard around the NHL world on Wednesday, June 29, 2016, the one that sent Nashville Predators captain Shea Weber to the Montreal Canadiens straight-up for P.K. Subban, is the one that had Poile reflecting Thursday.

The former Predators general manager told 102.5-FM's Robby Stanley and Joe Rexrode on "Robby & Rexrode" that he wishes the swap of defensemen never happened.

 

[teamfirst]

Forgive me if this has already been posted. But LeBrun was on BPM Sports yesterday and said that teams have informed the Habs that if they don't trade Allen by the TDL, they'll be interested in talking in the off-season.

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Lebrun......the same guy who said Hughes refuse a 1st for Josh is back

 

[habbubba]

Yet, HuGo paid a hefty price to get him.

As of now Newhook is playing where he should not and will need to show more or it will be a loss. Had they not made the deal,this player was available that Montreal doesn't have that in their system.