HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season
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BLONG7
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The Leafs are showing 35K in cap space................they need to move a salary somehow in order to do anything.
Lol and yet the talking heads have the Leafs in on everyone?
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TSN / SN wet so the fans wet their pants "the word leafs" then wet... like a drinking game but different
Imagine being a FA who could sign for about $4mil dollars, then the Leafs come around and ask if you'll take ~$2mil and do all the dirty hard work for a few guys making nearly half the cap. That's what happened to about every single decent forward they've had who's hit FA.
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The same could be said of the Hawks when they traded Dach, but here we are.
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Honestly, if you're doing a deep dive into analytics, then the gap between the two is significant. And frankly, if Montreal's paying big (like, say, a 1st and a young D plus a 2nd), then I'd probably want someone that has shown flashes of being more than a middle 6 winger.
Lets look practically at what Montreal needs and what Kakko is. He has around 300 NHL games in the regular season and playoffs and is generally a mediocre 5v5 player and average PP and PK guy. He's a strong defensive player 5v5 and decent off the rush. He's also not a great skater, doesn't have a strong shot and a poor playmaker.
He feels live a very Bergevin-like target. Along the lines of a Shaw or Anderson. I don't see that he's going to be the kind of impact player some here seem to think.
Zegras has struggled defensively thus far in his career (although he was improving this season before being hurt) and isn't quite as good off the rush, but he has a significantly better shot, he's a much better playmaker, more productive and a much more multifaceted player. There just seems to be more room to grow there.
Costs depend on if it makes sense or not, but for me, I'd rather pay more for Zegras than play less for Kakko, because I think it'll cost less to get a Kakko-type player from other places. Especially if Kakko costs a 1st+.
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The Hawks situation was very different compared to Anaheim.
Anaheim have sucked ass for a while and are in the later stages of their rebuild, after this year will have drafted top 10 for the 6th straight year. They are at the point where they will likely start being competitive in the near future and if they don't see a 22 year old Zegras being a part of that group then that isn't a good look on the player.
The Blackhawks blew up their roster and traded Hagel, Debrincat, Dach and let a 50-60 point young centre in Strome walk for nothing just for the sake of having a better chance of drafting Bedard. Luckily for Davidson they managed to get Bedard while only having a 11.5% shot at him.
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Anaheim has Carlsson, McTavish and Strome at C. And they have Gauthier and Gaucher coming up as well. I think it is normal they're looking to see what they can get for Zegras especially when he's earning 5,750M$ for 2 more years and - all speculations of course - he's not the easy guy to manage. I'd do the same. How much will he cost in 2 years?
What do they need? They have full D coming up. They had the luxury to trade Drysdale because the pipeline is full... So our plethora of D prospects is of no interest to them I would believe.
If they trade Gibson, they're left with Dostal. They really could use a #1 goalie which, of course, we don't have.
I don't think we have what it takes to pick up Zegras. I would rather target a guy like Holtz in NJ - yes I know, less talent but a top 6 that still have upside. Them too have a good D prospect pool but they need C. Other than Hugues and Hischier, there's nothing. And both are often injured. We have Owen Beck. I'd see a trade with Holtz coming our way and Beck + a 2024 2nd rd pick going to NJ.
What do they need? They have full D coming up. They had the luxury to trade Drysdale because the pipeline is full... So our plethora of D prospects is of no interest to them I would believe.
If they trade Gibson, they're left with Dostal. They really could use a #1 goalie which, of course, we don't have.
I don't think we have what it takes to pick up Zegras. I would rather target a guy like Holtz in NJ - yes I know, less talent but a top 6 that still have upside. Them too have a good D prospect pool but they need C. Other than Hugues and Hischier, there's nothing. And both are often injured. We have Owen Beck. I'd see a trade with Holtz coming our way and Beck + a 2024 2nd rd pick going to NJ.
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No it can't. The Dach situation was one wherein the team was going with a scorched earth rebuild and was just beginning. They were trading basically every positive value NHL asset they had. Anaheim has been rebuilding for a bit and has numerous young high picked players and other happy development stories (Terry) playing in the NHL. The fact they recently traded for a young forward who looks to be Zegras' replacement makes it even worse as that means this has been on their minds for a bit.
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As much as Treliving and Hughes had a great rapport before joining the Leafs, Shanaham is calling the shots and I can't see Hughes getting anything close to the type of deals he's made with Treliving before. We'll find a suitor elsewhere is the likely outcome.
Countdown to Tradecentre: Leafs 'trying to go with volume' for defenceman | TSN
The Toronto Maple Leafs continue to pursue help on the blueline ahead of the deadline, but their limited draft stock is causing issues on the trade market.www.tsn.ca
Hmm... we have volume of great defensemen for leafs... AND forwards. Harris, Barron, Wideman, Matheson, Savard, Armia, anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak. Shit, there is a cup winning roster right there. Leafs can finally end the 60+ years of misery.
If the Pens made him available, would you guys be interested in a Jake Guentzel sign and trade? I feel he'd help solidify the top 6 a whole lot
Probably both...
Rangers unlikely to want the extra 2M cap hit for a marginal upgrade
The 2M in cap savings isn't a big enough need to downgrade our weakest roster spot (winger),
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I suspect MTL would say yes since Anderson look like a 4th line player at 5.5M this year and New York could try him as a project beside Kreider and Z.
Guessing NYR would say no even through Goodrow look like an AHL player this season.
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Well, they wanted to go scorched earth for their best chance at Bedard...and it worked.
Ducks are not trying to rebuild the rebuild...they just don't think he fits.
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I don't buy this. They didn't even accomplish being the worst team in the league. How would they know which lottery spot would win Bedard? Would it have been worth to trade/let go all of your top young guys to get Carlsson?
With Slaf showing signs of a top six winger in recent games, I think the Habs are cementing their future core:
Slaf Suz Cauf
xxx Dach Newhook
Third and fourth lines still need majour work.
A lot of work remains. Dvo, Armia, Anderson, Gally and Allen are now dead weight and hard to shed.
Slaf Suz Cauf
xxx Dach Newhook
Third and fourth lines still need majour work.
A lot of work remains. Dvo, Armia, Anderson, Gally and Allen are now dead weight and hard to shed.
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To start:
Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Newhook - Dach - Roy/Ylonen
RHP - Monahan/Dvo - Anderson
Gallagher - Evan's- Ylonen
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- Can we please move Armia this summer, 50% retained.
- it came out in a recent Habs Digest episode that the Habs will definitely be looking to get a forward in this draft, according to Lapointe. He said the draft being a top heavy for dman type of draft may work in their favor because a great forward may fall to us.
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