HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Boss Man Hughes]

Looks like Ottawa could use a goaltender. Carolina too.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Just heard Stephane Waite say on 98.5 that, according to his contacts around the league, Jake Allen is worth maybe a 4th round pick at 50% retained.

With the shortage of good goalies around the league, i have a hard time believing that.

Stephane Waite is about as reliable as Dans Les Coulisses or Eklund. No offense, as you’re just repeating what you heard him say, but Waite reminds me of the old guy at the bar who can’t stop reliving his glory days… and will do (or say) anything he can to rekindle any of that former notoriety.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Stephane Waite is about as reliable as Dans Les Coulisses or Eklund. No offense, as you’re just repeating what you heard him say, but Waite reminds me of the old guy at the bar who can’t stop reliving his glory days… and will do (or say) anything he can to rekindle any of that former notoriety.

Waite has been coach in the league for a long time. He was for Team Canada too.
Are you really saying that he doesn't have contacts?

He's not a rumor guy. He's just repeating what was said to him. Doesn't mean that his contacts' opinions are right.

Eklund is a joke. He can't even make up credible rumors.
DansLesCoulisses are just repeating what's out there and have amateurish opinions. They can get the occasional scoop.

No offense, but comparing Waite with those two is just ridiculous.

 

[The Great Weal]

Oilers probably gave up on the season already so they won't grossly overpay for a backup. I'm more interested to see what happens with Draisaitl in the offseason.

 

[HuGort]

Looks like Ottawa could use a goaltender. Carolina too.

Lot of teams looking for netminding. Oilers obviously, Devils. Kings maybe also. Habs should be able to cut good trade.

 

[sampollock]

Oil won't over spend on Monty. Or Allen

Never happen

 

[Saundies]

Other than pure desperation, none of our goalies are worth 1sts, let alone unprotected firsts.

Oilers are in pure desperation territory, but as Holland has clearly show he'd rather let the whole thing burn down than make a move that may marginally improve things.

 

[26Mats]

Oil won't over spend on Monty. Or Allen

Never happen

But they will spend to get rid of Campbell. And I could see them wanting to save face by getting a piece back in the Campbell dump, so they can say they had to pay big to get a good piece and get cap flexibility to build a team around McDavid and Drsisaitl.

From a Habs perspective, I like the idea of getting futures for Campbell. But the Josh Andersom contract is now a bad contract. If that doesn't change, then if added Campbell we would have 17M in cap space tied up to Gallagher, Anderson, and Campbell for the next 3 years. That will not only not make it possible to sign UFA's or trade for established vets.

Shows we really need to get Anderson going so we can move him.

Other than pure desperation, none of our goalies are worth 1sts, let alone unprotected firsts.

Oilers are in pure desperation territory, but as Holland has clearly show he'd rather let the whole thing burn down than make a move that may marginally improve things.

They need to get rid of the Campbell contract. They could do much more than marginally improve themselves with that cap space. And if they don't improve themselves, McDavid and Draisaitl may bolt.

They'd also be better off without the Ceci contract.

What future does Savard 50% retained for Ceci get us? What about Kovacevic for Ceci?

 

[Saundies]

But they will spend to get rid of Campbell. And I could see them wanting to save face by getting a piece back in the Campbell dump, so they can say they had to pay big to get a good piece and get cap flexibility to build a team around McDavid and Drsisaitl.

From a Habs perspective, I like the idea of getting futures for Campbell. But the Josh Andersom contract is now a bad contract. If that doesn't change, then if added Campbell we would have 17M in cap space tied up to Gallagher, Anderson, and Campbell for the next 3 years. That will not only not make it possible to sign UFA's or trade for established vets.

Shows we really need to get Anderson going so we can move him.



They need to get rid of the Campbell contract. They could do much more than marginally improve themselves with that cap space. And if they don't improve themselves, McDavid and Draisaitl may bolt.

Yeah but why would we want Jack Campbell's contract? That thing is an albatross. I understand we're not good and won't be for a couple of years yet, but if we do take a step or two sometime in the next 2 years, we're not going to want that cap hit either.

The only way it makes any sort of sense to me is if Allen is the one traded so the money can slightly offset and we only have an extra year. But even that to me isn't great.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Yes, that is why they may not have made a trade yet. They may know the season is lost. Thwy would have sacrifice the future only to miss the playoffs.

Having said that I do think they need to give up the futures to move Campbell out for next season, because they need the cap space to put a competitive team around Draisaitl and McDavid. Same with Ceci. I think nurse is immovable. From the sounds of it, they should use Evan Bouchard as a trade chip to get a good young defensive dman.

so because they are 8 points out of a wild card spot (with 3 games in hand) when there are 126 points left on the table, their season is over ? I don t think they will waste one year of McDavid / Draisaitl contracts.

Campbell has not been great but he has not been the issue either. Their D is even more passive than the Habs, Ekholm looks older, Nurse is overpaid, Ceci is back to pumpkin form and Bouchard always was an offense first Dman with very low defensive IQ.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah but why would we want Jack Campbell's contract? That thing is an albatross. I understand we're not good and won't be for a couple of years yet, but if we do take a step or two sometime in the next 2 years, we're not going to want that cap hit either.

The only way it makes any sort of sense to me is if Allen is the one traded so the money can slightly offset and we only have an extra year. But even that to me isn't great.

Yes, it's a dilemma. But if the Oilers give a good package of futures I consider it. I'm not high on Holloway or Bourgault. But I don't know the players well enough. We don't need good young bottom six forwards. We have enough of them: (Ylonen, Heineman, Farrell, Mesar) plus Anderson and Gallagher we are stuck with. We need top 6. So far we have Caufield, Slaf, Dach, and Roy. Are Holloway and Bourgault upgrades on them? If not, I'd rather the cap space to try to sign ir trade for upgrades. We've seen the likes of Mark Stone and Eichel become available in trades for a package of futures in the recent past. We need the cap space if we want to pull off one of those.

 

[Sorinth]

Yeah but why would we want Jack Campbell's contract? That thing is an albatross. I understand we're not good and won't be for a couple of years yet, but if we do take a step or two sometime in the next 2 years, we're not going to want that cap hit either.

The only way it makes any sort of sense to me is if Allen is the one traded so the money can slightly offset and we only have an extra year. But even that to me isn't great.

The buyout cost of the contract is quite reasonable, and obviously if we are not really competing for a few years and so hold off the buyout to summer 2025 then pretty miniscule relative to the cap and the space we would be freeing up anyways with Dvorak and Savard being UFAs.

But it all comes down to what are they offering. Not only do they need to pay to get rid of Campbell, but they are also paying to fix a major issue so the cost is going to be high and they no doubt don't want to pay it.

 

[absolute garbage]

Some Bruins fan said they'd like Anderson and that got me thinking how you could make that work and came up with this:

Anderson, Matheson and Primeau for Swayman, Debrusk and Forbort.

Would you do that? So for Montreal you would get rid of the Anderson contract and replace him with Debrusk who is a rental and therefore deadline asset (worth probably a 2nd rounder at least). Matheson would be a big time loss, but his age/contract doesn't really line up with the rest of the core and there's so much talent coming up on the blueline that some moves need to be made anyways so moving Matheson sooner or later makes sense. Also Forbort is a rental so you could perhaps flip him too at the deadline. And then of course the big one, Swayman would be just the right age to become the number one goalie for this core.

Boston would do this because Matheson would provide huge value for them the next few seasons rounding out their top 4 group as arguably the best in the league (huge improvement over Forbort) as they still have Cup contending core. Primeau would be a cheap backup for Ullmark, and then Anderson would replace Debrusk who would likely leave as UFA anyway next summer.

 

[Hacketts]

Go after Laine with everything we got.

 

[Mrb1p]

Some Bruins fan said they'd like Anderson and that got me thinking how you could make that work and came up with this:

Anderson, Matheson and Primeau for Swayman, Debrusk and Forbort.

Would you do that? So for Montreal you would get rid of the Anderson contract and replace him with Debrusk who is a rental and therefore deadline asset (worth probably a 2nd rounder at least). Matheson would be a big time loss, but his age/contract doesn't really line up with the rest of the core and there's so much talent coming up on the blueline that some moves need to be made anyways so moving Matheson sooner or later makes sense. Also Forbort is a rental so you could perhaps flip him too at the deadline. And then of course the big one, Swayman would be just the right age to become the number one goalie for this core.

Boston would do this because Matheson would provide huge value for them the next few seasons rounding out their top 4 group as arguably the best in the league (huge improvement over Forbort) as they still have Cup contending core. Primeau would be a cheap backup for Ullmark, and then Anderson would replace Debrusk who would likely leave as UFA anyway next summer.

Of course I would but theres no way Bruins would

 

[Ezpz]

Some Bruins fan said they'd like Anderson and that got me thinking how you could make that work and came up with this:

Anderson, Matheson and Primeau for Swayman, Debrusk and Forbort.

Would you do that? So for Montreal you would get rid of the Anderson contract and replace him with Debrusk who is a rental and therefore deadline asset (worth probably a 2nd rounder at least). Matheson would be a big time loss, but his age/contract doesn't really line up with the rest of the core and there's so much talent coming up on the blueline that some moves need to be made anyways so moving Matheson sooner or later makes sense. Also Forbort is a rental so you could perhaps flip him too at the deadline. And then of course the big one, Swayman would be just the right age to become the number one goalie for this core.

Boston would do this because Matheson would provide huge value for them the next few seasons rounding out their top 4 group as arguably the best in the league (huge improvement over Forbort) as they still have Cup contending core. Primeau would be a cheap backup for Ullmark, and then Anderson would replace Debrusk who would likely leave as UFA anyway next summer.

Nah swayman will be like every other Boston goalie that leaves there. It's the system that makes them good. Matheson is worth more than a backup goalie and a rental. Ullmark went from 1b to vezina in a year switching from buffalo to Boston.

 

[therocket9]

Some Bruins fan said they'd like Anderson and that got me thinking how you could make that work and came up with this:

Anderson, Matheson and Primeau for Swayman, Debrusk and Forbort.

Would you do that? So for Montreal you would get rid of the Anderson contract and replace him with Debrusk who is a rental and therefore deadline asset (worth probably a 2nd rounder at least). Matheson would be a big time loss, but his age/contract doesn't really line up with the rest of the core and there's so much talent coming up on the blueline that some moves need to be made anyways so moving Matheson sooner or later makes sense. Also Forbort is a rental so you could perhaps flip him too at the deadline. And then of course the big one, Swayman would be just the right age to become the number one goalie for this core.

Boston would do this because Matheson would provide huge value for them the next few seasons rounding out their top 4 group as arguably the best in the league (huge improvement over Forbort) as they still have Cup contending core. Primeau would be a cheap backup for Ullmark, and then Anderson would replace Debrusk who would likely leave as UFA anyway next summer.

The only chance Montreal might have at a potential #1 goalie is Logan Thompson if Vegas has a key injury or they could use another forward or two for another cup run because Hill is clearly the starter there.

 

[rik schau]

McDavid and Draisaitl look miserable in Edmonton,blow it up and make a huge deal with Montreal,although it's a shit show also though.lol

 

[sampollock]

But they will spend to get rid of Campbell. And I could see them wanting to save face by getting a piece back in the Campbell dump, so they can say they had to pay big to get a good piece and get cap flexibility to build a team around McDavid and Drsisaitl.

From a Habs perspective, I like the idea of getting futures for Campbell. But the Josh Andersom contract is now a bad contract. If that doesn't change, then if added Campbell we would have 17M in cap space tied up to Gallagher, Anderson, and Campbell for the next 3 years. That will not only not make it possible to sign UFA's or trade for established vets.

Shows we really need to get Anderson going so we can move him.



They need to get rid of the Campbell contract. They could do much more than marginally improve themselves with that cap space. And if they don't improve themselves, McDavid and Draisaitl may bolt.

They'd also be better off without the Ceci contract.

What future does Savard 50% retained for Ceci get us? What about Kovacevic for Ceci?

Yes agree with you there. Kent could be the 3rd team in all this..

 

[Pat Riot]

Lets claim MIke Reilly

Why not?

 

[HuGort]

McDavid and Draisaitl look miserable in Edmonton,blow it up and make a huge deal with Montreal,although it's a shit show also though.lol

Imagine they happy tonight. Oilers seemed to turned it around last two games.

 

[Egresch]

They need to get rid of the Campbell contract. They could do much more than marginally improve themselves with that cap space. And if they don't improve themselves, McDavid and Draisaitl may bolt.

They'd also be better off without the Ceci contract.

What future does Savard 50% retained for Ceci get us? What about Kovacevic for Ceci?

Trade: Campbell+ for Allen does not make much sense for Oilers as it has zero impact on their salary cap space this and next season. 3,8 for Allen is exactly Campbell cap hit after he was sent to AHL.
It would make sense for them if it is Campbell, Ceci, + for Allen, Kovacevic, but that + would need to be huge for Hughes to even consider.

 

[SwiftyHab]

This may be a post that is better suited for the tank thread.

To EDM: Montembault + Jake Allen (50%) retained.

To MTL: Jack Campbell + Stewart Skinner + 2024 1st + 2026 1st + Bourgault +?

Roll with a Skinner-Primeau tandem with Campbell in Laval.

To EDM: David Savard 50% retained by a 3rd team for a 3rd.
To MTL: Cody Cesi + 2028 1st

to EDM: Montembaul + Jake Allen (50%) retained + David Savard
to MTL: The keys to Edmonton's car, their wallet, all the cash they have in the till, their firstborn son, and a helicopter waiting at Trudeau airport to take us to Russia!

 

[26Mats]

to EDM: Montembaul + Jake Allen (50%) retained + David Savard
to MTL: The keys to Edmonton's car, their wallet, all the cash they have in the till, their firstborn son, and a helicopter waiting at Trudeau airport to take us to Russia!

Yes, what you wrote is pretty much what Edmonton will have to give to get what you forgot to write - about 5M in cap relief that they sorely need and that it's gonna cost them dearly to get.

 

[Colezuki]

I could see Hughes taking a run at Draisaitl in the Summer assuming he'd be willing to sign here