HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Habs 4 Life]

I really hope we go after Zegras and that he proves everyone wrong! He is totally worth it at 22 years old!!! He put up the same point totals as Suzuki the past 2 seasons

 

[Zorro]

My moves

I would try to get Kaako out of new york. I feel like Savard could be a good fit there. Something like Kaako for Savard ++

Then I would try to go for Zegras : 9th overall + Harris or Barron

Next year it would give us something like :

Zegras Suzuki Kaako : I would actually trust more suzuki to adapt to new teammates
Caufield Dach Slafkovsky -- I would want to put more size possible next to Caufield make him some space
Roy Newhook Anderson : speed and space for Roy
Pezzeta Evans Gallagher : grit and real fourth line.

Matheson Guhle : first pair material
Struble Mailloux : promote Mailloux because it is time
Xhekaj Kovacevich : stable defensive and big to start the year.


Hutson
Reinbacher

I like everything here aside from Kaako. If we're going to NYR, i'd rather take a shot at Laf, but at this point i think they'll keep him.

 

[Egresch]

I don't think Zegras is worth a top 8 pick in this year's draft

With Jack Hughes, Seider, Cozens, Boldy, Caufield in front of Zegras and Byram and Dach only held behind due to injuries, he might be considered top 8 in his draft class. However, I assume we will draft 5th or 6th and that is too high to trade for Zegras.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I like everything here aside from Kaako. If we're going to NYR, i'd rather take a shot at Laf, but at this point i think they'll keep him.

If Laf was available he would be too expensive anyway.

 

[Mr Bop]

My moves

I would try to get Kaako out of new york. I feel like Savard could be a good fit there. Something like Kaako for Savard ++

Then I would try to go for Zegras : 9th overall + Harris or Barron

Next year it would give us something like :

Zegras Suzuki Kaako : I would actually trust more suzuki to adapt to new teammates
Caufield Dach Slafkovsky -- I would want to put more size possible next to Caufield make him some space
Roy Newhook Anderson : speed and space for Roy
Pezzeta Evans Gallagher : grit and real fourth line.

Matheson Guhle : first pair material
Struble Mailloux : promote Mailloux because it is time
Xhekaj Kovacevich : stable defensive and big to start the year.


Hutson
Reinbacher

One for one Savard for Kakko might be fair but I certainly wouldn't add ++ to Savard. I'd put Kakko's value around a late 1st and feel Savard could fetch more than that, especially if we retain 50%.

 

[salbutera]

Trading for Zegras is going to cost us our first this year as a start. I am preparing myself for this. Most expect us to trade the Winnipeg first, but we may keep it to draft third line support talent instead.

A tough win over NYR tonight combined w Pens loss and Habs jump two teams tied w Caps & 6-back of wildcard - Det should lose to Van.

Wouldn’t it be something if HuGo pulls a Zegras deadline deal - expected back from injury in 2-3 weeks…

IF Zegras is even dealt… IMO market price won’t be more than 10-12OA similar to Dach - contact status plays huge role (years from UFA), it’s not as if Zegras is on ELC

 

[HabsForHire]

I really hope we go after Zegras and that he proves everyone wrong! He is totally worth it at 22 years old!!! He put up the same point totals as Suzuki the past 2 seasons

100% me too

 

[Kosseca]

Zegras is 100 % worth that

Top 10 pick 5 years ago with already 2x 60 pts seasons, the chance that the player you draft at 8th attend that level is not that high (even if I didn’t follow that much the draft of this year)

Do I think Hugo should do this ? That’s an other question but that’s the price he would should cost and +

I agree. Dach, which had proven far less then Zegras at the NHL level return the 13th+

I'm ok with putting the pick in the deal if it is top 5 protected.

The more I read about Zegras, the more it reminds me of PK Subban in terms of personality. I could be wrong, but if this is the case, then he'd be ok to play in MTL. The main questions would be: his he willing to learn to play in a system? and can he accept not being the center of attention all the time?

 

[Kosseca]

My moves

I would try to get Kaako out of new york. I feel like Savard could be a good fit there. Something like Kaako for Savard ++

Then I would try to go for Zegras : 9th overall + Harris or Barron

Next year it would give us something like :

Zegras Suzuki Kaako : I would actually trust more suzuki to adapt to new teammates
Caufield Dach Slafkovsky -- I would want to put more size possible next to Caufield make him some space
Roy Newhook Anderson : speed and space for Roy
Pezzeta Evans Gallagher : grit and real fourth line.

Matheson Guhle : first pair material
Struble Mailloux : promote Mailloux because it is time
Xhekaj Kovacevich : stable defensive and big to start the year.


Hutson
Reinbacher

I dont think NYR goes for that kind of deal, or the "++" would need to be significant. That said, I like the idea of getting Kaako, but not to play on the 1st line.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

With Jack Hughes, Seider, Cozens, Boldy, Caufield in front of Zegras and Byram and Dach only held behind due to injuries, he might be considered top 8 in his draft class. However, I assume we will draft 5th or 6th and that is too high to trade for Zegras.

Zegras is the equal of Boldy and Caufield and probably ahead of Cozens. Cozens should be doing better than a 50 pter by now.

 

[durojean]

One for one Savard for Kakko might be fair but I certainly wouldn't add ++ to Savard. I'd put Kakko's value around a late 1st and feel Savard could fetch more than that, especially if we retain 50%.

Then that would be perfect and I feel it would be exactly the type of gamble we should make to get him.

I feel like his potential is not gone. He is a big winger that would add to the make up of our team. Gorton knows him because he drafted him and we seem to do a really good job developing our younger guys.

I feel like Nicholas could do wonders for a guy like Kakko. And a draft pick for Savard would be moot anyway.

For the rangers. If you look at the make up of their team. A stable stay at home D with leadership quality that brings grit and won't mess with the actual make up of their offense is exactly what they miss for a deep playoff run. Savard should be their 1 priority.

I dont think NYR goes for that kind of deal, or the "++" would need to be significant. That said, I like the idea of getting Kaako, but not to play on the 1st line.

Lines are moving anyway. If he does not fit then we try him on the third and give a chance to somebody else. He would still be a big player with maybe some untouched potential.

 

[Redux91]

You know
I think Armia and Savard have actual value for this trade deadline afterall the way they've been playing

I'm not super nuts kicking Savard out just yet, but if we trade Armia somehow at this deadline I'll be cartwheeling around the house I can yell you that

Pearson probably goes
And maybe Kovasevic sadly if they hold onto Savard

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

And signed current young talent when available. Hab prospect pool has them bottom feeders for the forseeable future imo they need to add proven talented players. Top end too, they have like 25 bottom 6 prospects it seems.

Hf is fun to read but good hockey beyond the first line and 1 or 2 D has to happen soon (not in hf poster minds and projections only).

Roy, CC, Suzuki, Dach and Slaf are all solid top six prospects/players. Newhook is another guy who might be and we have a high pick coming up.

We don't need to go out and give up assets (certainly not this year's pick) for a guy who's already making 5 mil. I'd rather draft a Catton or an Eiserman.

 

[Naslundforever]

Roy, CC, Suzuki, Dach and Slaf are all solid top six prospects/players. Newhook is another guy who might be and we have a high pick coming up.

We don't need to go out and give up assets (certainly not this year's pick) for a guy who's already making 5 mil. I'd rather draft a Catton or an Eiserman.

I am hoping for a top tier team. I don’t think drafting, trading and signing ufa’s are somehow mutually exclusive. Everyone on here is enamoured with any prospect they have been following but at some point you have to optimize the roster for quality not quantity.

I’m not suggesting Zegras is the way to go, just that drafting can’t be all that happens, I still see a bottom feeder no matter the stud you add this year.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I am hoping for a top tier team. I don’t think drafting, trading and signing ufa’s are somehow mutually exclusive. Everyone on here is enamoured with any prospect they have been following but at some point you have to optimize the roster for quality not quantity.

I’m not suggesting Zegras is the way to go, just that drafting can’t be all that happens, I still see a bottom feeder no matter the stud you add this year.

I think that's a reasonable position to take. I just don't think this is the year to trade away our first. The whole point of rebuilding is to draft high and accumulate prospects. We've done a good job of this and when I look at the draft board for 2024 it looks great.

At the start of the year, Eiserman was a strong 2nd and now it looks like he could fall to 7th or 8th. That's one awesome prosepect. Then you've got guys like Catton and maybe even a Demidov or Lindstrom who we could land.

I don't want to f*** that up.

And I don't want to trade away guys in our system like Hutson. I don't want to deal away RB or Mailloux. The core of a good team is coming up and I don't want to disrupt it.

 

[Zorro]

I am hoping for a top tier team. I don’t think drafting, trading and signing ufa’s are somehow mutually exclusive. Everyone on here is enamoured with any prospect they have been following but at some point you have to optimize the roster for quality not quantity.

I’m not suggesting Zegras is the way to go, just that drafting can’t be all that happens, I still see a bottom feeder no matter the stud you add this year.

This is exactly how i see it as well and i think HuGo also sees it that way too based on some of his comments/actions. Drafting is great, but at a certain point, you need to turn your main focus away from drafting. Having a ton of picks is great but they can't all be signed and most importantly they won't all succeed. These need to used as currency and pounce when an opportunity arises...i.e. the Dach trade.

IMO if Zegras is available, this is another opportunity the habs should be all in on. In my earlier post i stated the reasons why i think he would be a great fit.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Safe to say Adrian Dater is not reliable

**Spittlet Chicken posts Allen rumor



**Dreger posts that an Allen trade is not happening



Only 6 min went by between his 2 tweets

 

[SwiftyHab]

Safe to say Adrian Dater is not reliable

**Spittlet Chicken posts Allen rumor



**Dreger posts that an Allen trade is not happening



Only 6 min went by between his 2 tweets

We can start to filter out who has insider info and whose reading and reporting ok other people’s tweets

 

[eklund the clown]

Zegras.

I don’t understand the obsession.

We aren’t trading our lottery pick for Zegras. That’s not the way Hughes does things.

We may flip some of the other draft picks/prospects for a young NHL forward, but I doubt Trevor Zegras is that guy unless the price is significantly lower than some have suggested.

Cayden Lindstrom. Tij Iginla. Ivan Demidov. Berk Catton. With Lindstrom and Iginla being the two guys I would target with the first of our first rounders.

Very true.My biggest concern with Zegras is why a rebuilding team like the Ducks are trying to trade him in the 1st place?

 

[BaseballCoach]

I am hoping for a top tier team. I don’t think drafting, trading and signing ufa’s are somehow mutually exclusive. Everyone on here is enamoured with any prospect they have been following but at some point you have to optimize the roster for quality not quantity.

I’m not suggesting Zegras is the way to go, just that drafting can’t be all that happens, I still see a bottom feeder no matter the stud you add this year.

I would be ok with trading our high first for Zegras PLUS a young middle six forward. Say Newhook-ish calibre.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Very true.My biggest concern with Zegras is why a rebuilding team like the Ducks are trying to trade him in the 1st place?

If they are, part of it likely has to do with the contract negotiations that happened this summer. It took until October for a deal to be made.

Zegras will be 1 year away from ufa when his current contract ends, and maybe he won't want to re-sign with the ducks. So the ducks might want to trade him now rather than later.

 

[sampollock]

if this Allen to AVS has legs all the better

 

[Frenchy]

Safe to say Adrian Dater is not reliable

**Spittlet Chicken posts Allen rumor



**Dreger posts that an Allen trade is not happening



Only 6 min went by between his 2 tweets

well they got us excited for nothing , I was willing to drive Allen out of town myself if the Habs needed help.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I think that's a reasonable position to take. I just don't think this is the year to trade away our first. The whole point of rebuilding is to draft high and accumulate prospects. We've done a good job of this and when I look at the draft board for 2024 it looks great.

At the start of the year, Eiserman was a strong 2nd and now it looks like he could fall to 7th or 8th. That's one awesome prosepect. Then you've got guys like Catton and maybe even a Demidov or Lindstrom who we could land.

I don't want to f*** that up.

And I don't want to trade away guys in our system like Hutson. I don't want to deal away RB or Mailloux. The core of a good team is coming up and I don't want to disrupt it.

But something in betweeen is ok with me. too. Instead of 7OA for Zegras plus Newhook 2.0 we could try to move Struble or Xhekaj for a Romanov-like return, then trade the mid-first rounder for Zegras.

Neither Struble nor Xhekaj has the upside of Reinbacher, Mailloux or even Hutson.

By the way, I'm not opposed to using Hutson in a trade, but as a main piece, not a low-value throw-in. He is super-hyped and is much less likely to surpass the hype than to fall short of it.

I like the idea of a big, mobile and fast defence.