HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Captain Mountain]

Just for the record I wouldn't either, an Anaheim fan on insta told me that that would be the floor price lol

At that point call up Columbus to see what the price for Laine is or Buffalo for what the price for Mittelstadt is.

Or if you're willing to move Newhook and two 1sts, then you can get a much better fit on the trade market.

 

[vokiel]

Newhooks a better player than Zegras dont @ me.

Better poker player? I'm not sure he's better at anything other than flying around the rink trying to reach 88 miles per hour to travel in time.

At least he doesn't go in circles like Samsonov

Would you accept this trade for zegras:

MTL - Zegras

ANA - Newhook, 1st Rd pk (wpg 2024), 1st Rd pk (CGY 2025), Harris, and Allen (cap dump)

Too many pieces coming from us. Newhook, WPG 1st is already a good base, the rest needs to be more quality than quantity, but then again. I'm ok with making offers for Zegras, he's just not a player you sell your house for however.

Plus it's somewhat obvious that Anaheim will be looking for D.

 

[Deus ex machina]

How do you ask your guy to waive his NTC only to tell him *forget it* hours later?!

Amateur hour in Calgary

How do you negociate a trade with NJ if you're not sure he accepts to get traded there?
Better to ask the player first to not waste everyone's time.

 

[calder candidate]

It might be brighter to trade Allen at 50% to fix our goalie carrousel , than waiting another year in that situation only to gain a late 2nd rounder .

It would be benificial for Monty and Primeau , which could be more valuable than the pick

a retention spot is worth more than Allen value, if there no interest just waive him. I know we want to treat vet with respect but he can’t say we didn’t try… the other option would be taking a similar contract or shorter contract(we can’t take a worst one) back on a player that will be in the lineup…

 

[Mrb1p]

Better poker player? I'm not sure he's better at anything other than flying around the rink trying to reach 88 miles per hour to travel in time.

At least he doesn't go in circles like Samsonov


Too many pieces coming from us. Newhook, WPG 1st is already a good base, the rest needs to be more quality than quantity, but then again. I'm ok with making offers for Zegras, he's just not a player you sell your house for however.

Plus it's somewhat obvious that Anaheim will be looking for D.

At hockey, D year went to Newhook, D+1 went to Newhook, D+2/3 went to Zegras, of course but D+4 is now back to Newhook.

Both are flawed 2nd line players. What Newhook brings is more easy to work with.

 

[Miller Time]

I get the fallout but what has gone on with Johansen — is he salvageable?

Doesn't look good...

A team that knows him well ate multiple years @4M$ just to get him out of their locker room (despite ample cap space and roster need).

The team that got him at 4M$ has lots of injury caused top 6/9 need, and league leading offensive output, yet he's trending to career worst season while playing less than 14min/night...

Looks like a talented guy that cashed in & then checked out and his lack of work in his 20's is catching up to him in a major way. Danny Heatley with a smaller career height


Pass unless he's a cap dump with sweetener, or we can ship Anderson the other way

 

[Whalers Fan]

I get that
but this will be year 3 now.

Hughes was hired on January 18, 2022. It's been barely over two years.

 

[Eegs]

Newhooks a better player than Zegras dont @ me.

The only @ i'm sending your way is a knowing nod.

 

[BLONG7]

Hughes was hired on January 18, 2022. It's been barely over two years.

A teardown has happened as much as a rebuild had started.
2 years now as we enter the early stages of year 3 finishing off another non playoff year.

I can't see people complaining about a 2 year process at this point, as Bergevin got to mail it in for 10 years, pretending to be a GM who did NOT ever pick a direction, or get us a 1st round pick.
Rode a HOF goalie until his knees gave out...........

Anyhow, better days ahead folks....

 

[sampollock]

A teardown has happened as much as a rebuild had started.
2 years now as we enter the early stages of year 3 finishing off another non playoff year.

I can't see people complaining about a 2 year process at this point, as Bergevin got to mail it in for 10 years, pretending to be a GM who did NOT ever pick a direction, or get us a 1st round pick.
Rode a HOF goalie until his knees gave out...........

Anyhow, better days ahead folks....

I am just saying in the 3rd we should see progress is all.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I get that
but this will be year 3 now.

No, last year was the first rebuild year. The year we got Slafkovsky, Bergevin started that year with the intention of making the playoffs. He was fired Gorton came on and he hired Hughes in January of that season (21-22). They traded some veterans (Chiarot, Toffoli & Lehkonen) after they decided they were going to try and rebuild.

But, the first official rebuild year (i.e. we are tanking for a high pick) was 2022-2023 season. The final Bergevin season was never a rebuild year. Bergevin's team just sucked.

 

[sampollock]

No, last year was the first rebuild year. The year we got Slafkovsky, Bergevin started that year with the intention of making the playoffs. He was fired Gorton came on and he hired Hughes in January of that season (21-22). They traded some veterans (Chiarot, Toffoli & Lehkonen) after they decided they were going to try and rebuild.

But, the first official rebuild year (i.e. we are tanking for a high pick) was 2022-2023 season. The final Bergevin season was never a rebuild year. Bergevin's team just sucked.

I guess I'm a little impatient

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Didn't Gorton pick up Monty?

No Bergevin picked him off waivers after Price told him he was going into the NHL Players Assistance Program. He was the only goalie that went on waivers after Price's decision. We needed any goalie.

 

[HuGort]

Exactly. Allen has a negative value right now, even with salary retention.

Teams that are looking right now are teams that are making a run for the playoffs. No one in their right mind will think they can win it all with Allen.

Primeau has zero experience as well, so his only value would be for a team poor in goalie prospects to pick him up and play him in the AHL for a while. And you usually pick those in the offseason, for practically nothing.

If Montreal want to bring Primeau's value up, they would put Allen down on waivers and give Primeau more games. Otherwise, this is all a moot discussion. Neither are tradable right now.

Habs 3 goalie monster this year has wasted a lot of development time for Primeau

 

[ohiohabsfan29]

Would you accept this trade for zegras:

MTL - Zegras

ANA - Newhook, 1st Rd pk (wpg 2024), 1st Rd pk (CGY 2025), Harris, and Allen (cap dump)

absolutely not

 

[HuGort]

absolutely not

That was a harsh trade. Likely be a big mistake

Most the board don't want Zegras. After seeing how Dubois and Huberdeau turned out they probably right.

 

[Ezpz]

Habs 3 goalie monster this year has wasted a lot of development time for Primeau

Truth is Allen was probably only offered a 5th or 6th round pick with us retaining. The league knows he's washed too. He's too well-liked of a vet around the league to be waived and sent to Laval though.

 

[HuGort]

Truth is Allen was probably only offered a 5th or 6th round pick with us retaining. The league knows he's washed too. He's too well-liked of a vet around the league to be waived and sent to Laval though.

It's not good situation

 

[EveryDay]

That was a harsh trade. Likely be a big mistake

Most the board don't want Zegras. After seeing how Dubois and Huberdeau turned out they probably right.

Well I might be in minority here but I want Zegras in MTL, I would like more skills in my top 6. Already produced over 60 pts twice in 3 NHL seasons, that's as much as Suzuki.

Winnipeg 1st + would be on the table for sure.

Edit: I also want Zegras because of Dach injuries, he would be able to slot on the 2nd if Kirby get injured again.

 

[teamfirst]

Well I might be in minority here but I want Zegras in MTL, I would like more skills in my top 6. Already produced over 60 pts twice in 3 NHL seasons, that's as much as Suzuki.

Winnipeg 1st + would be on the table for sure.

Edit: I also want Zegras because of Dach injuries, he would be able to slot on the 2nd if Kirby get injured again.

you're in the minority but not alone, like you i think it could start with Winnipeg first

 

[Saundies]

Well I might be in minority here but I want Zegras in MTL, I would like more skills in my top 6. Already produced over 60 pts twice in 3 NHL seasons, that's as much as Suzuki.

Winnipeg 1st + would be on the table for sure.

Edit: I also want Zegras because of Dach injuries, he would be able to slot on the 2nd if Kirby get injured again.

Hell, move him to the wing and go Newhook - Dach - Zegras. There's a skilled, speedy second line for you.

I'm also on team "get Zegras". I'm on any team that injects skill into this lineup.

 

[themilosh]

Hell, move him to the wing and go Newhook - Dach - Zegras. There's a skilled, speedy second line for you.

I'm also on team "get Zegras". I'm on any team that injects skill into this lineup.

Im not sure who hugo is targeting, i think Zegras fits the age window, but maybe not the personality test.. hugo is very particular about who he targets. What i do know, is Hutson will be used in a ++ to land us that 1C.
Or we just get completely lucky and win the lottery for Celebrini or Lidstrom

 

[Miller Time]

Im not sure who hugo is targeting, i think Zegras fits the age window, but maybe not the personality test.. hugo is very particular about who he targets. What i do know, is Hutson will be used in a ++ to land us that 1C.
Or we just get completely lucky and win the lottery for Celebrini or Lidstrom

We already have a 1C.

& If you recognize the priority Hughes places on the "personality test", then I think it's pretty apparent that there's virtually no chance the trade a prospect with Hutson's demonstrated drive, determination, work ethic, performance in the spotlight & leadership...

Zegras, Stamkos, Reinhart or some other highly skilled winger that becomes available btw now & August. That's the big addition I think we'll see KH swing for. I don't see us going aggressive trading assets for another top 6C...

 

[Destopcorner]

I would get rid of Evans before Newhook in any trade scenario.

Evans is the perfect 4th C who can be more when need is. Great vet. Newhook is the odd man out since he doesnt bring enough to be a permanent top 6 player with Dach. I dont see the third line being the right chair for him either. Roy is all about IQ, Newhook is nord south with speed.. maybe he's meant to play with Andy.

Anyway I'd trade bait him with a mix of D and first for the right 27yo or less proven scorer.

Still dreaming about giving Laine a second chance once he comes back. Best risk reward out there for 2 years if the players and coach are able to put fire his ass.

Caufield-Nick-Slaf
Laine-Dach-?

Insane top 6.

 

[RationalExpectations]

No, last year was the first rebuild year. The year we got Slafkovsky, Bergevin started that year with the intention of making the playoffs. He was fired Gorton came on and he hired Hughes in January of that season (21-22). They traded some veterans (Chiarot, Toffoli & Lehkonen) after they decided they were going to try and rebuild.

But, the first official rebuild year (i.e. we are tanking for a high pick) was 2022-2023 season. The final Bergevin season was never a rebuild year. Bergevin's team just sucked.

Hughes came before the end of 21 22 season, i.e. this year will be his 3rd TDL and 3rd draft picking top 10.