HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Habs 4 Life]

I'm at the phase where I'm prepared for the Habs to finish the season with 3 goalies and kick this can down the road, most likely the off-season.

Several weeks ago, I was convinced Allen would be moved because he was doing well despite not playing much. He was above a .900 SV% in a 3-goalie tandem and playing behind one of the worst teams defensively. And there were teams that clearly needed to shore up their goaltending position.

I no longer feel that way. I've come to terms that Habs will finish the year with 3 goalies.

100%. Allen is not getting moved IMO, he has negative value even at 50% retention.

Personally the only move to make right now is to put Allen on waivers

 

[Tyson]

100%. Allen is not getting moved IMO, he has negative value even at 50% retention.

Personally the only move to make right now is to put Allen on waivers

He has been beyond bad.

 

[Adam Michaels]

100%. Allen is not getting moved IMO, he has negative value even at 50% retention.

Personally the only move to make right now is to put Allen on waivers

Which won't happen.

The only way I see Allen moved is if it's money in/money out. Maybe to a team that would like to add a goalie and Habs end up taking a contract that is probably equal in money and term back, but a depth forward. Or something along those lines.

 

[waitin425]

I am in the camp of taking Zegras. 22 years old. Shoot left. Scores. +60 points in his 20 and 21 year old season. He would absolutely complete our top 6.

Jets 1st 2024 + Better of Habs/Pens 2nd 2025 + Barron/Harris + Filip Mesar

That right there is a haul.

Mesar gets squeezed out anyways with Beck and Roy coming up.

Newhook - Suzuki - Slaf
Zegras - Dach - Caufield

 

[McGees]

Markstrom being moved is bad news for us. We need CGY out of the bottom 10 next year and he is what keeps them from fully imploding.

 

[Adam Michaels]

What about Armia ealier this season?

Armia was more a case of a player not even putting the effort in. And ever since he's been called back up, he's been a lot more consistent and reliable.

Allen never not put the effort in. His win/loss record isn't anything write home about and he's had games where he struggled. But it wasn't a case of him not working hard.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Markstrom being moved is bad news for us. We need CGY out of the bottom 10 next year and he is what keeps them from fully imploding.

Agreed, but it's what makes the most sense for the Flames and Devils. I'm pretty certain Vanecek would be going the other way ++ .

Markstrom or not, they're going to struggle defensively for sure with the possibility of losing Hanifin and Tanev. Then add to the mix maybe Kadri and Huberdeau in the off season if they're capable of moving them, they will not be a very good hockey team for a few seasons!

 

[Dichow Stopper]

Armia was more a case of a player not even putting the effort in. And ever since he's been called back up, he's been a lot more consistent and reliable.

Allen never not put the effort in. His win/loss record isn't anything write home about and he's had games where he struggled. But it wasn't a case of him not working hard.

So it’s not really about being a vet or not, more about the effort according to you.

I guess we will see. I do agree that Allen is putting huge effort for the tank…

 

[Adam Michaels]

So it’s not really about being a vet or not, more about the effort according to you.

I guess we will see. I do agree that Allen is putting huge effort for the tank…

you know it.

 

[Adam Michaels]

For what it's worth, Renaud Lavoie mentioned that if Anaheim trades Gibson, they might look to Allen in a package deal to use his experience in their line-up. I don't think he's sharing any info, but more opining that Habs need to solve their goaltending issue by trade deadline and mentions this as a proposal.

 

[Team_Spirit]

2 centers, easy claim.

Send the kid Roy to Laval.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Friedman on the latest 32 Thoughts Podcast mentioned that the Avs was offering Barron and a 1st round pick to the Flyers for Claude Giroux at the 2022 TDL. The Flyers were ready to accept that offer, however, Giroux was only willing to lift his NMC for the Panthers, who also had interest. And they ended up doing the deal with Florida, which ended up being for Tippet, a 1st and a 3rd.

Once the Avs missed out on Giroux, they turned to Montreal for Lehkonen, which ended up being for Barron + a 2024 2nd R'd pick.



We know Lehkonen was instrumental for the Avs' Stanley Cup win, so Avs definitely were happy Giroux didn't waive his NMC for them. But also, I don't think Philly did bad here, as Tippett has been solid for them.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

FWIW Seravalli has Allen as the number 2 netminder on his list for available goalies.

He also said Allen at 50% retained is good value and likely less than what you'd pay for another 1B goalie.

 

[NobleSix]

I am in the camp of taking Zegras. 22 years old. Shoot left. Scores. +60 points in his 20 and 21 year old season. He would absolutely complete our top 6.

Jets 1st 2024 + Better of Habs/Pens 2nd 2025 + Barron/Harris + Filip Mesar

That right there is a haul.

Mesar gets squeezed out anyways with Beck and Roy coming up.

Newhook - Suzuki - Slaf
Zegras - Dach - Caufield

I'm in support of trading for Zegras as well but unfortunately the price is probably our own 1st round pick, or one of our top prospects like Hudson/Mailloux/Reinbacher.

Don't think they'll be interested in trading him for a quantities package unfortunately.

Depending on where we end up picking in the draft I could see Hughes trading our 1st for Zegras if there isn't a player he values more left on the board.

 

[Mrb1p]

Zegras

Insert throwing up jpgs, multiple.

 

[RationalExpectations]

FWIW Seravalli has Allen as the number 2 netminder on his list for available goalies.

He also said Allen at 50% retained is good value and likely less than what you'd pay for another 1B goalie.

The issue is MTL only has one retention spot. I could see Allen traded to a team against a 3rd to CHI for retaining 1.9m and a 5th to MTL

 

[LaP]

100%. Allen is not getting moved IMO, he has negative value even at 50% retention.

Personally the only move to make right now is to put Allen on waivers

We'll probably have to buy him out this summer.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The issue is MTL only has one retention spot. I could see Allen traded to a team against a 3rd to CHI for retaining 1.9m and a 5th to MTL

I think they'd use that spot on Allen. They'd only use it on someone else if that someone else is Savard and it greatly helps the return. Pearson is just take a 7th and have another team retain 50% for a 5th.

Allen and his cap would be the main player to move out.

 

[Toene]

This is boooooooooring. I thought the Lindholm and Monahan trades would get the ball rolling, but nothing since. I know that the dead-line is still a month away, it's just that we have barely anything to look forward to as fans of a rebuilding team.

 

[LaP]

FWIW Seravalli has Allen as the number 2 netminder on his list for available goalies.

He also said Allen at 50% retained is good value and likely less than what you'd pay for another 1B goalie.

Not worth retaining unless we get at least a 2nd and i don't think it's happening.

This is boooooooooring. I thought the Lindholm and Monahan trades would get the ball rolling, but nothing since. I know that the dead-line is still a month away, it's just that we have barely anything to look forward to as fans of a rebuilding team.

Lot of time left. Lindholm was traded because Calgary got a "can't refuse" offer, Monahan was traded because KH did not want to play Russian roulette.

 

[Runner77]

We'll probably have to buy him out this summer.

If it came down to that, the buyout is affordable.

 

[Whalers Fan]

FWIW Seravalli has Allen as the number 2 netminder on his list for available goalies.

Are you sure he didn't say that Allen has played like number 2?

 

[McGees]

Basu and Godin say Zegras at 6th overall pick nah - but if Habs pick around 10 they'd do it.
Also suggest that they aren't sure he is even the type of player Hughes would want.

 

[Riggins]

We can ditch Allen in the summer at 50% even if we only get a 7th rounder in return. Some team will take him at 1.9M at that time while they're figuring out their backup goalie situation. The cap will be going up. I have huge doubts we can get rid of him now, there's no cap space out there and no playoff team wants to waste it on Allen when he won't be any help to them.

 

[waitin425]

I'm in support of trading for Zegras as well but unfortunately the price is probably our own 1st round pick, or one of our top prospects like Hudson/Mailloux/Reinbacher.

Don't think they'll be interested in trading him for a quantities package unfortunately.

Depending on where we end up picking in the draft I could see Hughes trading our 1st for Zegras if there isn't a player he values more left on the board.

Fair enough.....Depends on the player or pick. My cut off would be 10th. Anything better, and I would hold. I would probably trade 10th pre-draft.