HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[RealityBytes]

They do? 'Cause that's about as shallow of a roster on the bottom 6 and defense as you can find in the NHL.

You were talking about a weak prospect pool. Defense is weak but for forwards, it's better than ours.

Honestly, they are better at drafting.

 

[BoneHutson]

They will not trade for a young player just to move him. Guys like Pearson a the end of the line they would.
The exception would be a 3 team trade.

I meant exactly that… A 3way

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Aside from his on-ice game, i am not sure Zegras has the personality for our market. He is young and charismatic and in my opinion, he is a positive face for the league.

But i think he has some traits that could make him a big distraction and he feels, imo, a bit immature at times.

Hughes seems to put a strong emphasis on player that will thrive/fit our f***ed-up market.

That's far-fetched.

Caufield and Zegras seem to have very similar personalities. If you don't think Zegras will fit this market with his personality, then you must think the same for Caufield.

 

[Whalers Fan]

I don't like the Newhook deal. It was massive overpayment.

The Habs gave up a very late 1st round pick and an early 2nd for Newhook. The odds are against either pick resulting in a useful NHL player. That's not a "massive overpayment". Late 1st round picks are so overrated around here by some.

 

[Jack Spider]

Kent Hughes when being asked about trading for an established top 6 instead of gambling

 

[HuGort]

As long as we can trade him right away (or 3-way trade) for a young top 6 F +, I dont mind trading Matheson for him

Still too much of a gamble. That's a lot of money. Earliest you can trade Sergechev be next season. He'll had to prove he can still play at high level. Usually it takes half a season to be 100%. What if he goes down again? You stuck with 8.5 million for next 7 seasons and lost big return Matheson would brought ya.

 

[B1g B1rd]

Matheson has 39 pts this year so far, tied with Dahlin and a few others for 8th amongst NHL D's. He's ,75 PPG, en route to a 60 pts season if no injuries. He's certainly the most valuable asset we have for a trade (with a prospect or 2/ picks). No doubt.

But the problem is: who's going to play 20+minutes and be the offense QB in the next few years? Hutson? It remains to be seen and if so, it wont happen next year or in 2 years.

My point is that we need a Matheson for the next 2 years to log those big minutes and carry offense duties. I assume he will be close to/over 50 pts per year. In 2 years, he will be 31 and still have a good trade value. So I would keep him until the 25-26 season.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

No, but I do agree that Mathesons value is often highly underrated around here. His contract is amazing and would allow TB to add further depth in the next couple years in order to compete with this core.

Howard is trash. Theyd target Sergachev straight up imo. See my last posts in this thread. Or maybe TBs next 2 first pick (in 2026-27) and hope for a downfall from them soon.

Sergachev's salary and term make him very difficult to trade. Plus now he has health concerns.

Matheson because of his contract and health is worth much more than Sergachev at the moment, and will be until Sergachev proves he's worth more than his 8.5M contract, which won't happen for at least another year, and might never happen.

One in the hand is worth more than two in the bush. Better off keeping Matheson and trading him for the prospect directly.

 

[sampollock]

What is all the talk on Sergachev? Habs won't go for him and TB wont' move him, my thoughts

 

[morhilane]

What is all the talk on Sergachev? Habs won't go for him and TB wont' move him, my thoughts

He got hurt twice this year, so people probably think he would fit right in back with the Habs.

 

[teamfirst]

The Habs gave up a very late 1st round pick and an early 2nd for Newhook. The odds are against either pick resulting in a useful NHL player. That's not a "massive overpayment". Late 1st round picks are so overrated around here by some.

Depends on wich GM made the trade and what keyboard war they're fighting.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I meant exactly that… A 3way

And all at the same time. They would never actually own Sergachev. And that can't happen until Sergachev is playing again.

Depends on wich GM made the trade and what keyboard war they're fighting.

NO. It is always true unless it's a really deep draft.

 

[teamfirst]

And all at the same time. They would never actually own Sergachev. And that can't happen until Sergachev is playing again.


NO. It is always true unless it's a really deep draft.

Best example is the reaction around here for the Dvorak trade versus the Newhook trade

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Best example is the reaction around here for the Dvorak trade versus the Newhook trade

This isn't a deep draft so the 2nd isn't a huge loss but it was still an overpay for Dvorak. And with KK and Danault gone adding Dvorak was useless unless MB could get another centre.. Newhook is a far better player so he should be worth the picks and the move was to get an NHL ready player.

 

[teamfirst]

This isn't a deep draft so the 2nd isn't a huge loss but it was still an overpay for Dvorak. And with KK and Danault gone adding Dvorak was useless unless MB could get another centre.. Newhook is a far better player so he should be worth the picks and the move was to get an NHL ready player.

insight is a wonderfull thing, but if you take a look at bothh players stats before they where traded it's completly false and Newhook hasn't proove anything yet

BTW you're post just prove the point i was making......depends what GM made the trade and what keyboard war you're fighting

 

[WeThreeKings]

This isn't a deep draft so the 2nd isn't a huge loss but it was still an overpay for Dvorak. And with KK and Danault gone adding Dvorak was useless unless MB could get another centre.. Newhook is a far better player so he should be worth the picks and the move was to get an NHL ready player.

I would say that the 2nd does become a bit of a loss when we are looking at trying to move up with the WPG or our own pick. Usually the cost of that is a high 2nd round pick.

For example, if we are at 5 and the team at 4 knows we are targeting a forward, they may make the swap for our 2nd round pick.. without it, they may not want to risk it.

I think they want to be aggressive in trying to move up this year to ensure they get Lindstrom.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Kent pulled 2 similar trades with Dach and Newhook though. These guys actually have top 6 potential as for Shaw, he was a bottom 9 energy player even back then. Unfortunately, Dach and Newhook are already plagued by injuries. I don't like the Newhook deal. It was massive overpayment. As for Dach, Kent wanted to make a splash as a rookie GM. Dach is better than Newhook and they didn't pay so much to get him. Kent's mistakes are now evident with Anderson and Allen, which he didn't trade when he had the chance. Again, he did pull the best deals in NHL history by getting 2 firsts for taking on Monahan. No GM has managed to pull this in recent times except for the Caps who got Pacces for free. Shedding Weber's contract for a useless player which is now the Stars problem just adds to Kent's success. That's why there might be some hope in turning this franchise around.

If Alex Newhook is plagued by injuries, then so are literally every Hab not named Suzuki and 85% of NHL players. One injury this season and two notable ones in his career is not 'injury plagued'. Some people are also really underestimating what most top prospects aged 22/23 that haven't established themselves in the NHL are worth, and overestimating what late 1sts/early 2nds are worth.

We also don't know how real the market for those players are. Its possible that he turned down a 1st for Anderson, but we don't know if that trade had retention or Montreal taking on an even worse contract. Allen we can actually be pretty sure there hasn't been a serious offer for yet, so its hard to imagine there was "chance" that was missed.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Aside from his on-ice game, i am not sure Zegras has the personality for our market. He is young and charismatic and in my opinion, he is a positive face for the league.

But i think he has some traits that could make him a big distraction and he feels, imo, a bit immature at times.

Hughes seems to put a strong emphasis on player that will thrive/fit our f***ed-up market.

We've had plenty of examples of players that fit that mold thriving in Montreal. Guys that like the spotlight do well in Montreal. Subban, Domi, Kovalev, etc. all fed off the Montreal crowd and were popular here.

The bigger questions with Zegras is cost, how his defensive game may develop and if he's actually a center or not.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Friedman says the devils are looking for a goalie with term.

That said, doubt they have any interest, or much in Allen

Friedman says that if the avs acquired Giroux, it would have been for a 1st and he believes Barron

 

[Adam Michaels]

Friedman says the devils are looking for a goalie with term.

That said, doubt they have any interest, or much in Allen

Yea, Devils have been a team that's been said to be looking for a goalie almost all year. But I think they're looking more for a #1 goalie rather than to shore up a back up role, which is where Allen would fit in.

I think Markstrom or Gibson fits more of what they'd be looking for. #1 goalies with real term.

Markstrom has 2 years left after this season. Gibson has 3 years left after this year.

 

[sampollock]

Yea, Devils have been a team that's been said to be looking for a goalie almost all year. But I think they're looking more for a #1 goalie rather than to shore up a back up role, which is where Allen would fit in.

I think Markstrom or Gibson fits more of what they'd be looking for. #1 goalies with real term.

Markstrom has 2 years left after this season. Gibson has 3 years left after this year.

habs will have to pay to get rid of Allen..

 

[Adam Michaels]

habs will have to pay to get rid of Allen..

I'm at the phase where I'm prepared for the Habs to finish the season with 3 goalies and kick this can down the road, most likely the off-season.

Several weeks ago, I was convinced Allen would be moved because he was doing well despite not playing much. He was above a .900 SV% in a 3-goalie tandem and playing behind one of the worst teams defensively. And there were teams that clearly needed to shore up their goaltending position.

I no longer feel that way. I've come to terms that Habs will finish the year with 3 goalies.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

If Allen doesn’t have any value, why just not waive him at this point and give Primeau playing time as the backup?

 

[Adam Michaels]

If Allen doesn’t have any value, why just not waive him at this point and give Primeau playing time as the backup?

It's because they have more respect for a veteran to simply waive him to send him to the AHL. We can agree or disagree with this approach, but that is the reason they won't waive him, out of respect for the vet.

And they won't waive Primeau because of the conversations they've had with other GMs, they knew if they waived him, he'd be claimed. Which is why they're in this situation.

I think there was a moment Allen would have been moved. But I think the teams that had interest probably decided to be patient with their own goaltending. Part of that was probably that they weren't ready to meet Habs' asking price. After that, Allen's game dropped. And also, the other team initially interested probably had their goaltending steady itself. Look at Edmonton, they were apparently looking into Allen. But their patience paid off because Stuart Skinner and Calvin Pickard have been playing great for the Oilers.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

It's because they have more respect for a veteran to simply waive him to send him to the AHL. We can agree or disagree with this approach, but that is the reason they won't waive him, out of respect for the vet.

What about Armia ealier this season?