To be fair Xhekaj was never drafted. He just fell on the Habs' lap magically.
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season
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MarkovsKnee
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Yeah, he was a camp invite. It was still a good pickup.
Jaynki
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Yes. Fits the bill to a T imo
BoneHutson
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Do you guys think TB could be interested in a Matheson + for Sergy swap? TB would save a lot of money in the next couple years while getting similar production from an more experienced D. We could then swap Sergy for Zegras +
Or maybe to CLB for Johnson ++
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I propose Jake Aalen to some bum f*** team in Russia’s second tier beer league for… a case of Russian beer.
MarkovsKnee
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Josh Anderson. The trade for Domi was fine. A huge 7 year contract was not fine.
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I was responding to the claim that Bergevin used all the picks he stockpiled to trade for bad players that he then overpaid. Shaw is the only guy he paid for with picks, and he got them back when he traded him back to Chicago a few years later.
Classic same 1st name nepotism
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I think both were gifted excellent situations. MB had a solid team and a top-3 pick, but still needed more offensive punch which he failed to add for his entire tenure.
Hughes was given a perfect team for a rebuild. Suzuki + Caufield as young established playoff performers, a 1st overall pick, and a team full of veterans with overinflated value from the recent cup run. He was also given permission to do a full rebuild tear down from the Owner, whereas Bergevin was expected to compete. The main problem with Hughes right now is the same as Bergevin, he hasn't been able to add more offensive punch. They also need a #1 goalie and a #1 RHD so it won't be as easy for them to turn it around.
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Emelin and Gallagher too. Both were already drafted and developed when MB came in. The 36 games Gallagher played in the AHL under Sly after MB was named during the lockout did not amount to much in his development. He almost made the team the previous year. He inherited a 3rd overall pick too.
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It was fine but certainly not great. We started with a 3rd overall pick and ended up with a 26 years old big middle six winger. Not terrible but not great either. If you trade that pick on draft day you get a better player imo. You also get a better player if you trade AG after his 3rd season when it was clear they did not want him at center but he was still effective and growing as a winger.
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No, but I do agree that Mathesons value is often highly underrated around here. His contract is amazing and would allow TB to add further depth in the next couple years in order to compete with this core.
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Sergechev Big contract and the injuries then give up Matheson. Too much risk for me
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As long as we can trade him right away (or 3-way trade) for a young top 6 F +, I dont mind trading Matheson for him
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Matheson could be our best bet at landing a top prospect from another team, Matheson with retention would easily return a 1st ++ value wise.
I'm not sure what Hughes plans to do with him going forward. I could see him being a serviceable defenseman in a few years when we're hopefully competing, but I don't expect his style of game will age very good into his 30's, so if we wanted to sell high on him now would be the time to do it.
I'm not sure what playoff team is in need of a defenseman like Matheson that also has an interesting prospect available.
I'm not sure what Hughes plans to do with him going forward. I could see him being a serviceable defenseman in a few years when we're hopefully competing, but I don't expect his style of game will age very good into his 30's, so if we wanted to sell high on him now would be the time to do it.
I'm not sure what playoff team is in need of a defenseman like Matheson that also has an interesting prospect available.
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TB or NYR would be the best fits imo. Maybe DET as well.
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I guess from Tampa they'd target Howard, maybe Kakko from NY and I have no clue who they might want from Detroit.
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Howard is trash. Theyd target Sergachev straight up imo. See my last posts in this thread. Or maybe TBs next 2 first pick (in 2026-27) and hope for a downfall from them soon.
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Read my posts above. We would then trade him for Zegras+ or Kent Johnson ++, or even a Leonard type guy
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Obviously the bolded is something you can't do when evaluating MB's work, he signed Xhekaj but it's only luck......
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Matheson is the last dman I'm trading at the moment. Habs need him to carry the heavy minutes for the next year or two.
That's not quite true. A lot of those picks were junk and he would trade 2 in a current year to get another the following year. For example, he would trade a 3rd in 2017 for a 2018 4th and so on. He would add those late round picks to get rental players, short term plugs. He used many of them to acquire players that he then signed long term. I already gave you examples. Allen was extended once by BargainBin and then another time by Hughes. Timmins drafted poorly and there were practically no assets left post Price. Bergevin was no Peanut, he was average. Inherited a bad team but with an emerging group of talented young players drafted by Gainey, who tried to undo years of neglect from Peanut. BargainBin's plan was adding plugs for short term success. Only at the end, he realized they needed assets and added depth which HuGo sold for top value. Unfortunately, a lot of that depth was average although he hit homeruns with Toffoli and Caufield. BargainBin went on a spending spree and didn't plan for a post Price era. HuGo is now left scratching his head. He's doing a great job thus far but will the prospects play for the big club one day? Wait a couple of years and then we can assess the situation. It's too early to say.
They will not trade for a young player just to move him. Guys like Pearson a the end of the line they would.
The exception would be a 3 team trade.
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