HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Jaynki]

What type of return you guys think we can get for Harris? Sportsnet mentioned to watch out for Calgary on Harris. What could we get??

2nd RD pick would be my guess.

Real question. You think Tampa would consider swapping Sergachev for Matheson + Hutson (+?)

They get a current replacement and the future one down the road and they get cap space.

We get a better all around player that produces at Matheson’s pace and fits our window better.

I think they wouldn’t do it, but Serge’s injury is a big one, right at the beginning of a 8 year contract, so I think his value is down a bit.

Maybe I’m way off on value

Why would we do this tho?

Matheson is our 1D. He has 72 points in 99 games and plays 25 min a night. He is top 15 in production since we acquired him for D.

Hutson is our prospect with the highest upside, superstar upside. He is a record-breaking dman.

Sergachev is very nice. But why acquire Sergachev while making us worse in the end?

I am not against moving assets like Matheson and Hutson, but it should be for prime offensive player.

 

[Jaynki]

I’m honestly not so sure about that. I know that Zegras doesn’t scream 200ft player, but Hughes want to add offence, Zegras is in the same « age-group » as our young core, won’t be to much pricey, Caufield connection, can play wing or center. We’ll see.

Aside from his on-ice game, i am not sure Zegras has the personality for our market. He is young and charismatic and in my opinion, he is a positive face for the league.

But i think he has some traits that could make him a big distraction and he feels, imo, a bit immature at times.

Hughes seems to put a strong emphasis on player that will thrive/fit our f***ed-up market.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I’m honestly not so sure about that. I know that Zegras doesn’t scream 200ft player, but Hughes want to add offence, Zegras is in the same « age-group » as our young core, won’t be to much pricey, Caufield connection, can play wing or center. We’ll see.

He doesn't want to add that type of offense, imo and I don't think he's interested in acquiring a guy with a sizeable cap hit that needs so much more development to be a reliable top 6 player in a competitive environment.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Real question. You think Tampa would consider swapping Sergachev for Matheson + Hutson (+?)

They get a current replacement and the future one down the road and they get cap space.

We get a better all around player that produces at Matheson’s pace and fits our window better.

I think they wouldn’t do it, but Serge’s injury is a big one, right at the beginning of a 8 year contract, so I think his value is down a bit.

Maybe I’m way off on value

Why would we want to trade Hutson? No thank you.

 

[vokiel]

If we do trade for Zegras, we can forget another smallish forward. So you can forget Catton, Demidov etc. Wouldn’t be surprise to see us pick Iginla or reach for MBN if thats the case.

What?? Zegras is an average 6 footer, 185-190 lbs. Why do you think we should modulate whoever we draft based on this? The trade would not make any difference on who's BPA when we call the pick. We pick #7, and Demidov will be gone and probably Catton also. So expect another Dman regardless. Maybe Dickinson drops to us.

 

[vokiel]

Why would we want to trade Hutson? No thank you.

Because you need value to get value.

 

[Jaynki]

Because you need value to get value.

Sure.

Can we at least not trade him for Sergachev?

If we trade Hutson, we need top end offense from a forward on the other end of the trade.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Because you need value to get value.

I think what you’re proposing is a wild overpayment on our side.

I also don’t really understand why we’d go after a blueliner right now when we’ve got a ton coming up.

Sergachev just suffered a devastating injury. And we’re a rebuilding club. So I don’t know why we’d get a guy like this now.

Matheson I think will be used as trade currency. But Hutson should stay where he is.

 

[vokiel]

Sure.

Can we at least not trade him for Sergachev?

If we trade Hutson, we need top end offense from a forward on the other end of the trade.

Since Sergachev seems to have broken a leg, that's for sure. ah

I think what you’re proposing is a wild overpayment on our side.

I also don’t really understand why we’d go after a blueliner right now when we’ve got a ton coming up.

Sergachev just suffered a devastating injury. And we’re a rebuilding club. So I don’t know why we’d get a guy like this now.

Matheson I think will be used as trade currency. But Hutson should stay where he is.

Value is Zegras imho

Trading for Sergachev is silly.

 

[Hannibal]

Aside from his on-ice game, i am not sure Zegras has the personality for our market. He is young and charismatic and in my opinion, he is a positive face for the league.

But i think he has some traits that could make him a big distraction and he feels, imo, a bit immature at times.

Hughes seems to put a strong emphasis on player that will thrive/fit our f***ed-up market.

Or he could thrive like Kovalev did when he felt the passion on this fanbase.

Who knows. All i’m saying is that i wouldn’t be shocked if this happens.

 

[Mrb1p]

What?? Zegras is an average 6 footer, 185-190 lbs. Why do you think we should modulate whoever we draft based on this? The trade would not make any difference on who's BPA when we call the pick. We pick #7, and Demidov will be gone and probably Catton also. So expect another Dman regardless. Maybe Dickinson drops to us.

Hes the softest 6 footer in the league probably

Or he could thrive like Kovalev did when he felt the passion on this fanbase.

Who knows. All i’m saying is that i wouldn’t be shocked if this happens.

Wouldnt be shocked but Id sure be pissed off.

 

[vokiel]

Hes the softest 6 footer in the league probably


Wouldnt be shocked but Id sure be pissed off.

I don't care, centers in the league aren't power forwards anymore. We already have size with Slaf, Dach and potentially Tuch. If we want to avoid further need picks on centers, I'd try to seize an opportunity to get one with real threatening tools.

That's when the GM needs to be a player at the table, not walk away from it constantly.

 

[Mrb1p]

I don't care, centers in the league aren't power forwards anymore. We already have size with Slaf, Dach and potentially Tuch. If we want to avoid further need picks on centers, I'd try to seize an opportunity to get one with real threatening tools.

That's when the GM needs to be a player at the table, not walk away from it constantly.

The only reason Anaheim wants to trade Zegras is because they have better centers and that hes not good at C... ?

Suzuki and Dach are both much better Cs than Zegras. Hes gonna play 3C?

 

[vokiel]

The only reason Anaheim wants to trade Zegras is because they have better centers and that hes not good at C... ?

Suzuki and Dach are both much better Cs than Zegras. Hes gonna play 3C?

Dach isn't playing C, because he's on IR, and I'm doubting he'll ever be playing C for a full season. Zegras or Dach on the wing is also very fine with me. He's a threat on the ice regardless.

In any case the argument is whether trading or not trading for him affects who you pick, and I don't think it will have much incidence. Like if we trade for him using one of our D prospects, is it because we just drafted another D? Or do we target a big ass man because we traded for him as it was suggested?

No correlations needed imho.

 

[Jaynki]

Or he could thrive like Kovalev did when he felt the passion on this fanbase.

Who knows. All i’m saying is that i wouldn’t be shocked if this happens.

Oh. I would not be shocked either.

I actually even would really like it.

Im just skeptical he is targeted by our administration. I think CBJ Kent Johnson or Chinakhov fits the bill a bit more imo.

 

[Mario Lemieux fan 66]

The only way i am good with a Zegras trade is in a quantity trade;

Winnipeg 1st round pick + a 2nd round pick + Barron or Harris or Kovacevic + Anderson or Dvorak

No quality asset going the other way outside of the Winnipeg pick.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Markstrom to NJ would be great in a Toronto misses scenario.

Maybe the Habs can take on a cap dump

 

[26Mats]

The only way i am good with a Zegras trade is in a quantity trade;

Winnipeg 1st round pick + a 2nd round pick + Barron or Harris or Kovacevic + Anderson or Dvorak

No quality asset going the other way outside of the Winnipeg pick.

Like the Dubois proposals last summer, it will be outbid. No way we get Zegras for that.

But, we could probably get Dubois for that now

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

If I'm any competitive team and watch Matheson lately and want a cup run, I jump all over him and overpay.

He's likely an offseason move if he is traded.

Unless that team has the cap space now and/or a contract they're not worried about moving back to the Habs.

Habs can't deal both Savard and Matheson at the deadline.

Trade one now, one in the offseason and then sign a vet, or two. Haven't looked to see if there's a solid ufa dman.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Allen
Savard
Pearson
Armia

Those are the players I hope the Habs trade at the deadline

 

[HuGort]

The only way i am good with a Zegras trade is in a quantity trade;

Winnipeg 1st round pick + a 2nd round pick + Barron or Harris or Kovacevic + Anderson or Dvorak

No quality asset going the other way outside of the Winnipeg pick.

Zegras is only worth .70 cents on the dollar. Coming off a broken foot. Having a bad season after just signing a lucrative contract.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Allen
Savard
Pearson
Armia

Those are the players I hope the Habs trade at the deadline

Armia sucks too much to he traded with a year left unless it's another shitty player coming back with similar term and cost. Seeing someone different would be worth it imo.

Pearson is terrible and even at 50% might not be worth much.

Savard at 50% is worth a lot, so it will be interesting to see if a team goes after him.

Allen isn't worth his contract and isn't worth retaining on. Only team that might make a deal for him are the Devils, but not sure they'd be interested, unless they've lost faith in Vanecek and it's a 1 for 1 with a little sweetener for the Habs, but don't see that.


Habs are likely to be quiet this deadline again. They don't have a whole lot worth while that they'd be willing to move.

 

[ginomini]

And when we went BPA instead of needs, we ended up with a franchise goaltender instead of Gilbert Brule. Despite having prime hart-winning Theodore and a few other in the pipeline.

But this is just revionnist really, very few thought Price was BPA at that point. Very few thought Kotkaniemi was BPA at that point. But really in both cases Timmins thought he drafted the best player. Its entirely subjective, both selections were identical: the habs brass thought they drafted the guy who was going to become the most impactfull NHL player.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Armia sucks too much to he traded with a year left unless it's another shitty player coming back with similar term and cost. Seeing someone different would be worth it imo.

Pearson is terrible and even at 50% might not be worth much.

Savard at 50% is worth a lot, so it will be interesting to see if a team goes after him.

Allen isn't worth his contract and isn't worth retaining on. Only team that might make a deal for him are the Devils, but not sure they'd be interested, unless they've lost faith in Vanecek and it's a 1 for 1 with a little sweetener for the Habs, but don't see that.


Habs are likely to be quiet this deadline again. They don't have a whole lot worth while that they'd be willing to move.

Armia is actually playing ok this season. Yes he's overpaid, like most players signed as UFA, but it's not like he's making 6.5M or something.
His contract has just one more season after this one. The Habs have plenty of cap space. He provides size and D play.
I don't get this obsession to still want to get rid of him.

Pearson is pretty much done. There's plenty of better options on the market for other teams.

Devils are trying to get Markstrom from the Flames. They need a true 1G.

 

[Garry Valk]

Any chance the young player Hughes targets with a package of picks, etc. is Kent Johnson?