HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

Status
Not open for further replies.

Sorinth

Registered User
Jan 18, 2013
11,616
6,264
Insider driven where there's tangible people connected to the team who provide insight. No one close to the team has indicated they'd actually have interest in Zegras.



I would argue that modest point producing forwards who are perimeter players and bad defensively end up on the market quite often.

Zegras is overrated for his highlight reel goals and his wjc performances. Verbeek wants to move him for the same reason a lot of GMs aren't really interested - the massive question marks of his game that they aren't convinced will work in a playoff series.

Defense can be taught but they have to be willing to learn it. What we know can't be taught is a willingness to get inside and pay the price. Marner is an ineffective Playoff performer due to this and he won't change. I've never seen a fully formed adult who is allergic to contact suddenly become an inside driven player, that's too much nature to change.

The Zegras connection is Habs fans desperate for offense despite the warts, and it generates clicks but it's nothing rooted in an organizational desire because we know they ignored Michkov for the very same reasons they would ignore Zegras.
The big question mark is that willingness to learn/get better. It's hard to say without actually getting to know the person but I don't think it's far fetched to think that if we traded for him he would get serious about putting in the work given the age and leadership of the group.

As for organizational desire, it's hard to say because I don't really expect it to be made obvious even if they were interested. They passed on Michkov at 5 but who knows if they would have if they were drafting 7th and the guys they really liked were gone. There's also the whole PLD situation, we were in talks to acquire him so there was at least some interest for a guy with similar warts, but we obviously weren't willing to push hard to get him. So I would imagine it would be similar with Zegras, we will have some interest, but not enough for us to pay any real premium price tag which means chances are low that we will be the ones with the best offer on the table.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Miller Time

ML16

Registered User
Aug 28, 2020
459
418
Montreal
[Guentzel] As a FA, I'd think about it. He would be a great veteran scorer for Suzuki or Dach to play with, he could potentially elevate them even further. He knows how to win and how to play with talented linemates. Having Toffoli around did help our young centers a lot.

If the Habs take a run at Guentzel this offseason, it would entail they start « competing » as soon as 2024-2025.

The only way I see it happening is if the Habs somehow win the lottery and draft Celebrini; acquire another top-9 veteran forward (Monahan on a midterm contract 3 years?) to mentor/shelter him; keep Savard; trade Winnipeg’s or Calgary’s 1st + a promising D prospect(s) for a top-4 RHD and add further assets by trading one of Allen/Primeau (likely the latter) and one of Dvorak/Evans (likely the former).

Something like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Guentzel
Newhook - Dach - Slafkovski
Monahan - Celebrini - Roy/TDL 2025 asset*
Anderson - Dvorak/Evans* - Gallagher
RHP/Pezzetta/Gignac

Matheson - [1st + D prospect]
Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble/Hutson/Xhekaj/Harris* - Savard
Kovacevic

Montembault
Allen/Primeau*

Even then, that would be aggressively gambling on Celebrini/Slafkovski/Dach/Newhook/Reinbacher/Hutson/Struble all overperforming sooner than expected…

Bottom line, offseason 2025 is a likelier window for targeting an impactful UFA forward!
 

WeThreeKings

Demidov is a HAB
Sep 19, 2006
95,646
107,269
Halifax
From the latest Sportsnet Trade Board;

Jordan Harris, D, Montreal CanadiensContract: $1.4M through 2024-25The 23-year-old has been in and out of Montreal’s lineup lately — with the Canadiens’ blue line suddenly overcrowded by the unexpected rise of Jayden Struble — and he could be out permanently at some point over the coming weeks. The Canadiens need to make room for Lane Hutson and moving Harris seems like one of the ways that might happen. He has already established his floor as a third-pairing defenceman in this league, but he still has a ceiling that can push him up some team’s lineup. There’s some untapped offence there, and that should be enticing. Harris’ defensive profile should be attractive, too. For just $1.4 million against the cap next season, there’s reason to believe he can help now and prove to be a valuable piece for the future. We can think of at least one team that’ll be moving defencemen out and looking to replace them between now and the deadline — watch out for the Calgary Flames on this one.

David Savard, D, Montreal CanadiensContract: $3.5M through 2024-25“I can’t tell you right now that we’re looking to trade David Savard,” said Kent Hughes after moving Sean Monahan to the Winnipeg Jets, and that was a convenient truth to be spreading five weeks from the deadline. Hughes doesn’t have to trade Savard, who has one year left under contract after this one at $3.5 million, and it was worthwhile for the GM to make that clear to anyone thinking they could pluck the 6-foot-1, 238-pound defenceman out of Montreal for cheap. But Hughes knows the phone’s going to start ringing once Chris Tanev gets traded out of Calgary, and we highly doubt he’ll turn away from a substantive offer for what should be considered one of the better right-handed defencemen available.Savard, 33, is a Stanley Cup winner, a player who’s proven over and over again he’ll do anything to win, and a leader who excels playing 18-20 minutes a game. Some teams, purely in the rental market, will pass. But others, who would be more willing to give up something for the cost certainty Savard provides over what could be two playoff runs, will call. Hughes may not be actively shopping the player, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be selling him.

Jake Allen, G, Montreal CanadiensContract: $3.85M through 2024-25He’s the odd man out of Montreal’s crowded crease, and that’s already been established. But whether or not that has Allen changing addresses between now and March 8 is still yet to be determined, with the goaltending market shifting considerably over the past month despite no movement. Some teams have stabilized in the crease — like the Edmonton Oilers for example — and others have fallen lower down in the race and need more time to assess their needs. It’s still likely a team or two set to buy see Allen as more reliable and proven than other goaltenders available, but his $3.85-million salary, which counts against the cap through the end of next season, could prove prohibitive. It likely forces the Canadiens to either retain salary or take back a bad contract, which they’ll be willing to do at the right price. Whether or not the right price gets offered is the question, because if it isn’t, general manager Kent Hughes will probably wait until the off-season.

The big question mark is that willingness to learn/get better. It's hard to say without actually getting to know the person but I don't think it's far fetched to think that if we traded for him he would get serious about putting in the work given the age and leadership of the group.

As for organizational desire, it's hard to say because I don't really expect it to be made obvious even if they were interested. They passed on Michkov at 5 but who knows if they would have if they were drafting 7th and the guys they really liked were gone. There's also the whole PLD situation, we were in talks to acquire him so there was at least some interest for a guy with similar warts, but we obviously weren't willing to push hard to get him. So I would imagine it would be similar with Zegras, we will have some interest, but not enough for us to pay any real premium price tag which means chances are low that we will be the ones with the best offer on the table.

PLD is a big difference.. he's got size, he plays physical and he has some good playoff runs in his back pocket. Zegras is a smaller, skilled forward, allergic to the middle of the ice.
 

morhilane

Registered User
Feb 28, 2021
9,121
11,832
So should we trade CC and Suzuki cause they don't hit or fight?
You totally missed the point of my post.

Zegras had 88 PIMs in 81 games last season and 24 PIMs in 20 games this season. This include multiple game misconducts for things that aren't fighting and he isn't a physical player (so not getting penalties for unclean hits).
 

Miller Time

Registered User
Sep 16, 2004
24,450
17,390
Insider driven where there's tangible people connected to the team who provide insight. No one close to the team has indicated they'd actually have interest in Zegras.

Sure... No different than 99.9% of the players discussed at any time by fans & media.

Teams very rarely speak directly about players under contract with other teams.

Media & fan rumors (& arguably "common sense") drive all these speculations

I would argue that modest point producing forwards who are perimeter players and bad defensively end up on the market quite often.

Zegras is overrated for his highlight reel goals and his wjc performances. Verbeek wants to move him for the same reason a lot of GMs aren't really interested - the massive question marks of his game that they aren't convinced will work in a playoff series.

Disagree with that assessment. Zegras as a hockey player possesses a very interesting & high end skill set. In other environments he has been a better end to end competitor than we've seen in his time with the ducks... A team that has had questionable coaching and shown no org. progress since he arrived in the league. An environment that lends itself to young players developing bad habits.

Can/will he put up n the work to compete & play winning hockey in the NHL, as he has at every other level he's played at, is indeed a question mark... But some GMs dismissing or writing him off because of his play this far is hardly a definitive indictment. Many a team has given up early on a player and/or bet on a player who didn't reach their full potential, is what it is.
 

Gaylord Q Tinkledink

Registered User
Apr 29, 2018
33,954
37,278
I called out Johnston, or Seravalli on Twitter a few years ago about just throwing names out there and they get defensive about it.
 

Deus ex machina

Registered User
Sep 12, 2023
656
545
If the Habs take a run at Guentzel this offseason, it would entail they start « competing » as soon as 2024-2025.

The only way I see it happening is if the Habs somehow win the lottery and draft Celebrini; acquire another top-9 veteran forward (Monahan on a midterm contract 3 years?) to mentor/shelter him; keep Savard; trade Winnipeg’s or Calgary’s 1st + a promising D prospect(s) for a top-4 RHD and add further assets by trading one of Allen/Primeau (likely the latter) and one of Dvorak/Evans (likely the former).

Something like:

Caufield - Suzuki - Guentzel
Newhook - Dach - Slafkovski
Monahan - Celebrini - Roy/TDL 2025 asset*
Anderson - Dvorak/Evans* - Gallagher
RHP/Pezzetta/Gignac

Matheson - [1st + D prospect]
Guhle - Reinbacher
Struble/Hutson/Xhekaj/Harris* - Savard
Kovacevic

Montembault
Allen/Primeau*

Even then, that would be aggressively gambling on Celebrini/Slafkovski/Dach/Newhook/Reinbacher/Hutson/Struble all overperforming sooner than expected…

Bottom line, offseason 2025 is a likelier window for targeting an impactful UFA forward!
There's more than one way to fill the holes before the start of next season.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Runner77

HabzSauce

Registered User
Jun 10, 2022
1,752
2,404
Hughes doesn’t have to trade Savard, who has one year left under contract after this one at $3.5 million, and it was worthwhile for the GM to make that clear to anyone thinking they could pluck the 6-foot-1, 238-pound defenceman out of Montreal for cheap.
That's damn beefy for 6'1 my goodness lmao didn't realize he was stacking that much weight
 

EveryDay

Registered User
Jun 13, 2009
14,212
6,892
I was more intrigued by “they (Buf) don’t have any confidence in any of their 3-goalies”

Wonder what Levi’s acquisition cost would be?
Would you trade Montembeault + Dvorak + Winnipeg 1st for Levi + Middlestadt
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad