HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[26Mats]

No
They're not going to touch Kakko

Gorton was able to do a do-over with that particular selection in trying it again with Slaf
Who is already better, bigger, and 3 years younger

With who they are targeting in the draft this year, and with ammunition for a trade to grab someone much better than trying to 'reclamation project' again
There's just no chance they take a stab at something that doesn't look more like a 'sure-thing' at this juncture of the rebuild

Having said all of this tho, I have this awful feeling they are looking at Zegras hard , which COULD work, sure.. but it could blow up in our faces too..

there's always a risk with a young player, whether a young NHLer or a prospect about to be drafted. Thankfully I trust their judgement. So far so good with Dach, Newhook, Slaf, and Reinbacher, and Hutson, Engstrom, Fowler, etc...

Would have been nice to have gotten either Lafreniere or Byfield when people were labeling them busts.

I've heard good things about not only Zegras' talent level but also compete level in big games. But, I think it would take a core piece to get Zegras and I don't think HuGo want to give one up for him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

No
They're not going to touch Kakko

Gorton was able to do a do-over with that particular selection in trying it again with Slaf
Who is already better, bigger, and 3 years younger

With who they are targeting in the draft this year, and with ammunition for a trade to grab someone much better than trying to 'reclamation project' again
There's just no chance they take a stab at something that doesn't look more like a 'sure-thing' at this juncture of the rebuild

Having said all of this tho, I have this awful feeling they are looking at Zegras hard , which COULD work, sure.. but it could blow up in our faces too..

Zegras is entirely fan and media driven.

 

[sampollock]

Zegras is entirely fan and media driven.

time will tell if KH driven too

 

[morhilane]

Zegras is entirely fan and media driven.

Fan and media who haven't watched him play much in the NHL this and last season. People here are annoyed at Gally/Armia stupid penalties, but Zegras has more PIMs per game than either...and he doesn't hit nor fight.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Would you trade Savard to Tampa if they offer Ethan Gauthier + their 1st, even if it's in 2026?

In such a deal, Montreal would have 2 x 1sts in 2024, 2 x 1sts in 2025 & 2 x 1sts in 2026. A lot of interesting assets to work with when they'll be buyers in 2025/2026.

Ya. Cause then I’d use that 1st instead of ours for Zegras

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

A first is enough or a very small add.

Allen in no way gets a first even with retention. Nobody is trading for him to even play a single playoff game, he is just an insurance policy that hopefully could bridge a gap of a minor injury or to push the incumbent starter.

A late 2nd with retention.....maybe but even that might be a stretch.

 

[26Mats]

Zegras is entirely fan and media driven.

Well Hughes is quoted as saying he thinks the 2019 draft was an exceptional draft year, so it's not a coincidence I went out and got Dach and Newhook from it.

Kakko and Zegras were also from that draft year.

 

[Miller Time]

Zegras is entirely fan and media driven.

Has there ever been discussion about a player that isn't "fan & media driven"?

 

[sampollock]

Well Hughes is quoted as saying he thinks the 2019 draft was an exceptional draft year, so it's not a coincidence I went out and got Dach and Newhook from it.

Kakko and Zegras were also from that draft year.

KH like that year.. we see

 

[Miller Time]

time will tell if KH driven too

Yup.

If we do trade for him, it's coming from a place of very good insight into both the player & person given KH & MSL history with Zegras.

If we pay a relatively "high" price to add him, that'll tell you they are very confident in his further ceiling...

If he gets traded to another team for a return viewed as "low", that will suggest they had no interest... Because the obvious need for top 6 upgrade & the wealth of assets at their disposal make him a clear target even despite the off ice connections

 

[sampollock]

Has there ever been discussion about a player that isn't "fan & media driven"?

agreed
many names that we all talk about a driven by us..

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Zegras is entirely fan and media driven.

WTK, Cause players like that don't end up on the market that often. Zegras being a target makes a ton of sense if you ask me. The guy has been on a terrible team in Anaheim and it's hard to be motivated.

If KH was ready to deal and traded for Newhook last season and his 79pts over 182 games played, how can he not be interested in Zegras a year younger and his 146pts in 200 career games.

His 200 foot game can be taught in the long run like MSL has been doing with CC and others. A player like Zegras IMO is a lot more attractive and rightfully more expensive than a KK in NY. I don't want another player that we have to cross our fingers that will develop, I want a sure thing and that is more Zegras IMO

 

[sampollock]

WTK, Cause players like that don't end up on the market that often. Zegras being a target makes a ton of sense if you ask me. The guy has been on a terrible team in Anaheim and it's hard to be motivated.

If KH was ready to deal and traded for Newhook last season and his 79pts over 182 games played, how can he not be interested in Zegras a year younger and his 146pts in 200 career games.

His 200 foot game can be taught in the long run like MSL has been doing with CC and others. A player like Zegras IMO is a lot more attractive and rightfully more expensive than a KK in NY. I don't want another player that we have to cross our fingers that will develop, I want a sure thing and that is more Zegras IMO

Not sure what other forward KH would be looking at. But he does surprise us ...

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Fan and media who haven't watched him play much in the NHL this and last season. People here are annoyed at Gally/Armia stupid penalties, but Zegras has more PIMs per game than either...and he doesn't hit nor fight.

So should we trade CC and Suzuki cause they don't hit or fight?

 

[therocket9]

Meier's most used linemates at 5v5 from most to least this season:
Dawson Mercer (239 minutes)
Michael McLeod
Jack Hughes (128 minutes)
Tyler Toffoli
Nico Hischier
Alexander Holtz
Ondrej Palat
Jesper Bratt (55 minutes)
Erik Haula (40 minutes)
...

on the power play:
Jesper Bratt (46:04 minutes)
Tyler Toffoli
Ondrej Palat
Nico Hischier
Dawson Mercer (25 minutes)
Jack Hughes (15 minutes)
...

Maybe it's that Meier is not worth $8.8m...

Mercer is a winger not a center he might start playing center now with the best faceoff % man McLeod gone....so u are saying he has played about 10 games 5 on 5 with Hughes that is not much.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Has there ever been discussion about a player that isn't "fan & media driven"?

Insider driven where there's tangible people connected to the team who provide insight. No one close to the team has indicated they'd actually have interest in Zegras.

WTK, Cause players like that don't end up on the market that often. Zegras being a target makes a ton of sense if you ask me. The guy has been on a terrible team in Anaheim and it's hard to be motivated.

If KH was ready to deal and traded for Newhook last season and his 79pts over 182 games played, how can he not be interested in Zegras a year younger and his 146pts in 200 career games.

His 200 foot game can be taught in the long run like MSL has been doing with CC and others. A player like Zegras IMO is a lot more attractive and rightfully more expensive than a KK in NY. I don't want another player that we have to cross our fingers that will develop, I want a sure thing and that is more Zegras IMO

I would argue that modest point producing forwards who are perimeter players and bad defensively end up on the market quite often.

Zegras is overrated for his highlight reel goals and his wjc performances. Verbeek wants to move him for the same reason a lot of GMs aren't really interested - the massive question marks of his game that they aren't convinced will work in a playoff series.

Defense can be taught but they have to be willing to learn it. What we know can't be taught is a willingness to get inside and pay the price. Marner is an ineffective Playoff performer due to this and he won't change. I've never seen a fully formed adult who is allergic to contact suddenly become an inside driven player, that's too much nature to change.

The Zegras connection is Habs fans desperate for offense despite the warts, and it generates clicks but it's nothing rooted in an organizational desire because we know they ignored Michkov for the very same reasons they would ignore Zegras.

 

[sampollock]

Insider driven where there's tangible people connected to the team who provide insight. No one close to the team has indicated they'd actually have interest in Zegras.



I would argue that modest point producing forwards who are perimeter players and bad defensively end up on the market quite often.

Zegras is overrated for his highlight reel goals and his wjc performances. Verbeek wants to move him for the same reason a lot of GMs aren't really interested - the massive question marks of his game that they aren't convinced will work in a playoff series.

Defense can be taught but they have to be willing to learn it. What we know can't be taught is a willingness to get inside and pay the price. Marner is an ineffective Playoff performer due to this and he won't change. I've never seen a fully formed adult who is allergic to contact suddenly become an inside driven player, that's too much nature to change.

The Zegras connection is Habs fans desperate for offense despite the warts, and it generates clicks but it's nothing rooted in an organizational desire because we know they ignored Michkov for the very same reasons they would ignore Zegras.

Again we see. You can't be totally for sure. Your reasoning is not flawed.

 

[McGees]

Zegras???
Wait a sec….
Isn’t this the same forum of Habs fans that said we should go get PLD?

 

[Essenege]

That would be Isaac Howard. I suggested him earlier in the thread, but the consensus was that Tampa would probably be unwilling to move him. Howard is probably their best prospect in an otherwise empty pool.

Ironically I think they need to add in that trade. We love to sh*t on our players but Matheson have 70 pts on his last 98 games. In his prime. Reasonable contract. He’s more valuable then an unproven B prospect.

 

[MtlSars]

Allen for a 2nd and a bag of pucks should be happening though right?

 

[sampollock]

Allen for a 2nd and a bag of pucks should be happening though right?

I dont see a 2nd unless KH keeps a big chuck of salary back.

I say he stays, no one takes him

 

[jaffy27]

Zegras???
Wait a sec….
Isn’t this the same forum of Habs fans that said we should go get PLD?

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Different Strokes for different folks I guess

 

[vokiel]

In world where Molson is as fine as me with Zegras:

WPG 1st + Hutson + rights to Kapanen for Zegras

 

[Hansman]

Did you cringe like this?



Savard for your 1st. Savard for your 1st

I would shine for that.

 

[phillytennis]

In world where Molson is as fine as me with Zegras:

WPG 1st + Hutson + rights to Kapanen for Zegras

Not a chance...we would end up regretting we traded Hudson.