HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Runner77]

Thanks. If he is available Hughes is likely going to let the other GM's initiate the discussion. If they ask if he is available he should reply asking what they are ffering.

LeBrun used the classic line from the same time last year — outside of very few players, the rest are all available for an overpay. You could probably say the same of most GMs.

 

[sampollock]

I have come to the understanding that teams will not trade a top end prospect but would rather trade picks

that being said, I feel that KH will not land a prospect from another team.
Maybe, a trade for a guy like a Zegras that may be pissed with ANA (just used the name as a example)

so when KH tries to dump a player , picks is all we will see or it will be a low end player like Barron that is not a real bargain

 

[Kosseca]

What do you realistically think Matheson and Savard would fetch on the trade market?

Odd are that neither are traded this year. Someone needs to show he can replace Matheson offense from the back end - so one of Hutson, Barron, Mailloux need to show early next season that they can carry the team that way, which is unlikely. Savard, while being easier to replace, still play RD a weak side and he bring leadership in the room, and that is needed.

Given that, KH will need an offer the he can<t refuse to move one of them.

 

[sampollock]

Odd are that neither are traded this year. Someone needs to show he can replace Matheson offense from the back end - so one of Hutson, Barron, Mailloux need to show early next season that they can carry the team that way, which is unlikely. Savard, while being easier to replace, still play RD a weak side and he bring leadership in the room, and that is needed.

savard gets a 2nd round pick
math will not get traded
Tony on sick says math will be a hab for the next 2 years. ( could be) tony says people are idiots if they think math is a defense liablity

 

[McGees]

This deadline may end up as stinky as last deadline….nothing burger extra nothing with a side order of 7th rounder for Pearson.

 

[sampollock]

This deadline may end up as stinky as last deadline….nothing burger extra nothing with a side order of 7th rounder for Pearson.

very well could be.. like last year. no movement at all

savard has a chance to go if a team gets desperate for a solid blocking D man

 

[Kosseca]

savard gets a 2nd round pick
math will not get traded
Tony on sick says math will be a hab for the next 2 years. ( could be)

If KH move Savard for just a 2nd, then this a bad move. the added value of a late 2nd vs the value Savard gives you this year and next is not even comparable. KH has enough pick to make deal, another 2nd wont change that, the 2nd wont return a player that can play for at least 3/4 yrs.

On the other side, message coming out of the locker room after Monahan trade was that seeing good guy leaving was getting a bit depressing. Savard's is well liked and can certainly inspire younger players. How do you sell a trade for a player like that to a locker room when the return is meh?

Personally, if KH objective is indeed to compete for the playoff next year, you need both Matheson and Savard next year on the back end as the other young guys wont be ready.

Matheson/Guhle
Struble/Savard
Wifi/Reinb

 

[therocket9]

This deadline may end up as stinky as last deadline….nothing burger extra nothing with a side order of 7th rounder for Pearson.

Guentzel could still be traded and Hanifin and maybe Buchnevich even though he is not a rental.

 

[David Suzuki]

I think Bolts know they won't go far anyways if they make the playoffs so why bother wasting assets. They got one of the worst prospect pools in the league.

At the same time it feels like you can't waste an MVP season from Kucherov.

 

[Sorinth]

I would say unequivocally that trading Barron "just to make room" would be a terrible decision... & One that I doubt is on KHs radar.

Barring trades, Matheson, Savard & Guhle are locks, leaving Xhekaj, Barron, Kovacevic & Barron rounding out the top 7 next fall.

Hutson, Mailloux & Strubble are all waiver exempt next year and injuries are inevitable. All 3 can start the season in Laval until injury or trade opens up a spot. Perhaps not ideal if any of them make it beyond a doubt that they are in the top 4 of the available Habs d group... But that's a good problem to have, not one you start dumping assets for.

KH will find a deal he likes... There's bound to be a lot of player movement this summer given the big cap increase.

I assume you meant Harris instead of Barron twice.

I understand what your saying but I think it would be a mistake to base those decisions off whose waiver exempt and not who is actually the best D. So yeah you can send Hutson, Mailloux, Strubble, and Reinbacher down because they are waiver exempt, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

If Kent can't find a trade where we package a D for a top-6 F then I could see them exploring a trade just to make room. Probably wouldn't be Barron, but managing roster spots so that your young guys have room to grow their responsibilities is an important part of development, as is having training camp actually matter and not having every spot already pre-determined.

 

[LaP]

At the same time it feels like you can't waste an MVP season from Kucherov.

True but without Sergachev they'll need more help than just Savard, Kova or Harris. I mean It would require Hanifin. If they are sure to lose Stamkos Matheson could help them and they'll have the cap space next season.

 

[sampollock]

True but without Sergachev they'll need more help than just Savard' Kova or Harris. I mean It would require Hanifin. If they are sure to lose Stamkos Matheson could help them and they'll have the cap space next season.

yup. TB may dial back this year

 

[LaP]

yup. TB may dial back this year

I guess it all depends on whatever they can extend Stamkos or not. If they are sure Stamkos is gone they might want to do a final push and retool after. If Stamkos is gone next and Sergachev goes on LTIR for the rest of the season it gives them enough room to move. But they'll have to give the few picks and protect they have so the retool will be complicated. They are in a tough spot honestly i would not want to be their GM.

 

[David Suzuki]

True but without Sergachev they'll need more help than just Savard' Kova or Harris. I mean It would require Hanifin. If they are sure to lose Stamkos Matheson could help them and they'll have the cap space next season.

It all comes down to Vasilevskiy either way tbf. If he doesn't play like he should they won't win regardless of who they add. I just know, if I were a Tampa fan, I'd not want them to waste this kind of a season from their best player -- he's not getting any younger etc...

I'm also not totally convinced Isaac Howard is a player I'd lose sleep about moving.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I assume you meant Harris instead of Barron twice.

I understand what your saying but I think it would be a mistake to base those decisions off whose waiver exempt and not who is actually the best D. So yeah you can send Hutson, Mailloux, Strubble, and Reinbacher down because they are waiver exempt, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

If Kent can't find a trade where we package a D for a top-6 F then I could see them exploring a trade just to make room. Probably wouldn't be Barron, but managing roster spots so that your young guys have room to grow their responsibilities is an important part of development, as is having training camp actually matter and not having every spot already pre-determined.

There are probably a number of teams that would be interested in young D/D prospect for a young F/F prospect, especially considering the relative value of the positions. Just need to find the right fit.

 

[Runner77]

I have come to the understanding that teams will not trade a top end prospect but would rather trade picks

that being said, I feel that KH will not land a prospect from another team.
Maybe, a trade for a guy like a Zegras that may be pissed with ANA (just used the name as a example)

so when KH tries to dump a player , picks is all we will see or it will be a low end player like Barron that is not a real bargain

I think that the best time to land a young player from another team is the summer as it happened with Dach and Newhook.

It could also happen in season as we saw with Lehkonen and more recently, with Cutter Gauthier, but that’s less frequent as generally in-season, teams prefer to trade faceless and nameless future assets.

About Barron, there is still time but early returns are not great. It’s my impression that Hughes undervalued Lehkonen and should have done a better job exacting a higher return since Sakic called Hughes 17 days in a row so Hughes had the leverage. But, it was one of his first deals as GM, so it wasn’t his best. One can say he has made up for it, since.

 

[sampollock]

I guess it all depends on whatever they can extend Stamkos or not. If they are sure Stamkos is gone they might want to do a final push and retool after. If Stamkos is gone next and Sergachev goes on LTIR for the rest of the season it gives them enough room to move. But they'll have to give the few picks and protect they have so the retool will be complicated. They are in a tough spot honestly i would not want to be their GM.

cup board is getting bare. they love the playoffs though, we see I guess

 

[sampollock]

I think that the best time to land a young player from another team is the summer as it happened with Dach and Newhook.

It could also happen in season as we saw with Lehkonen and more recently, with Cutter Gauthier, but that’s less frequent as generally in-season, teams prefer to trade faceless and nameless future assets.

About Barron, there is still time but early returns are not great. It’s my impression that Hughes undervalued Lehkonen and should have done a better job exacting a better return since Sakic called Hughes 17 days in a row so Hughes had the leverage. But, it was one of his first deals as GM, so it wasn’t his best. One can say he has made up for it, since.

I see you points, solid as always.
KH will never win every trade, but that being said this team needs help now.
any vet should be untouchable on the habs right now.

 

[Runner77]

cup board is getting bare. they love the playoffs though, we see I guess

But, for the right reasons. They did win the Cup in 2020 and 2021 — those rafter banners will hang forever.

 

[sampollock]

But, for the right reasons. They did win the Cup in 2020 and 2021 — those rafter banners will hang forever.

yup..

have to pay up to win. and have a smart GM to build the team

 

[Sorinth]

I think that the best time to land a young player from another team is the summer as it happened with Dach and Newhook.

It could also happen in season as we saw with Lehkonen and more recently, with Cutter Gauthier, but that’s less frequent as generally in-season, teams prefer to trade faceless and nameless future assets.

About Barron, there is still time but early returns are not great. It’s my impression that Hughes undervalued Lehkonen and should have done a better job exacting a better return since Sakic called Hughes 17 days in a row so Hughes had the leverage. But, it was one of his first deals as GM, so it wasn’t his best. One can say he has made up for it, since.

I'm not sure it's realistic to expect a better return for a guy who had one 30 point season to his name. I feel like the leverage we had of Sakic calling 17 days in a row is already reflected in the fact that we got a recently drafted 1st and a 2nd round pick. I seem to remember at the time those who wanted him traded were thinking just a 2nd was fair value. Now HFBoards are notably terrible at predicting trade value for players but still. Maybe we could have targeted someone better then Barron but it doesn't look like they had/have any other prospects that are better, so at best we are talking a 1st in 2023 or 2024? There's a decent chance Barron is better then whoever we would have picked there.

 

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[sampollock]

big challenge for KH find a 30+ goal man. hard to find.
he has the picks but need to find a dance partner, those are hard to find

 

[SwiftyHab]

This deadline may end up as stinky as last deadline….nothing burger extra nothing with a side order of 7th rounder for Pearson.

We were the 2nd movers with a big piece. Already got a 1st rounder. Are you not sufficiently entertained?

 

[Runner77]

I'm not sure it's realistic to expect a better return for a guy who had one 30 point season to his name. I feel like the leverage we had of Sakic calling 17 days in a row is already reflected in the fact that we got a recently drafted 1st and a 2nd round pick. I seem to remember at the time those who wanted him traded were thinking just a 2nd was fair value. Now HFBoards are notably terrible at predicting trade value for players but still. Maybe we could have targeted someone better then Barron but it doesn't look like they had/have any other prospects that are better, so at best we are talking a 1st in 2023 or 2024? There's a decent chance Barron is better then whoever we would have picked there.

I was in the camp of keeping Lehkonen so for me, that would have been the best option. Not sure what Barron’s ceiling is and it doesn’t even matter since as @sampollock put it, a GM can’t win them all. Plus, Hughes has done so well on most of his other trades that it’s not worth belaboring.