HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[sampollock]

Could the wings be a spot for Savard? hmmmmm

 

[Runner77]

I always pegged you as a Champion. very modest

You’re way too kind, good Sir, but there is only one DAChampion.

I’ll be darned if I knew what a DA championship was about.

 

[McGees]

We were the 2nd movers with a big piece. Already got a 1st rounder. Are you not sufficiently entertained?

yes happy with Money return but I'm talking about now on, the actual deadline.
What have you done for me lately Kent!
Monahan news is SO last week.

 

[sampollock]

yes happy with Money return but I'm talking about now on, the actual deadline.
What have you done for me lately Kent!
Monahan news is SO last week.

haha
KH knows this board is waiting. lol
KH don't disappoint

 

[RationalExpectations]

Could the wings be a spot for Savard? hmmmmm

Not in my opinion. They have Holl and Chiarot as defense first guys with no transition game already

 

[Paddy17]

So you would stay put and not use the 18M in cap space available this summer?

If there's nothing worth it, yes. That cap space is meant to be well spent, not just spent.

 

[Runner77]

So you would stay put and not use the 18M in cap space available this summer?

I think it’s important to stay nimble.

There is no hard and fast rule about how to best weaponize cap space. We all know however, how valuable it can be as currency. All it takes is a GM on the hot seat or making a mistake and Hughes swooping in as he’s done before.

Cap going up next year but still early in the cycle, you might still find teams on the cusp of maxing it out next season, so there may be big mileage to be had for Hughes to act as a power broker.

 

[Miller Time]

I assume you meant Harris instead of Barron twice.

I understand what your saying but I think it would be a mistake to base those decisions off whose waiver exempt and not who is actually the best D. So yeah you can send Hutson, Mailloux, Strubble, and Reinbacher down because they are waiver exempt, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

If Kent can't find a trade where we package a D for a top-6 F then I could see them exploring a trade just to make room. Probably wouldn't be Barron, but managing roster spots so that your young guys have room to grow their responsibilities is an important part of development, as is having training camp actually matter and not having every spot already pre-determined.

I hear what you're saying and agree that it wouldn't be ideal to demote a young player who otherwise makes a strong case... But I think, like the 3 goalie situation this year, the Habs under KH aren't likely to part with an asset they value for nothing unless they have to.

Harris & Kovacevic are the two most likely to be moved if a logjam emerges, but I do think waiver eligibility will be leveraged if he can't get his asking price/

 

[DAChampion]

You’re way too kind, good Sir, but there is only one DAChampion.

I’ll be darned if I knew what a DA championship was about.

I know you're deeply curious and not sarcastic, so here goes.

DA is a part of my name. I made the screen name years ago on the MSN Gaming zone when I was playing Age of Empires 2. In that game, Champions were a very good infantry unit.

Age of Empires 2 was a magnificent game. I see it's having a revival on Steam. Sometimes I get a craving to join, but then I realize I might end up unemployed, my children neglected, and I'd no longer find time to read your posts, so I choose not to install that game.

You, on the other hand, are likely a runner who was born in 1977.

 

[habsfan891]

I know you're deeply curious and not sarcastic, so here goes.

DA is a part of my name. I made the screen name years ago on the MSN Gaming zone when I was playing Age of Empires 2. In that game, Champions were a very good infantry unit.

Age of Empires 2 was a magnificent game. I see it's having a revival on Steam. Sometimes I get a craving to join, but then I realize I might end up unemployed, my children neglected, and I'd no longer find time to read your posts, so I choose not to install that game.

You, on the other hand, are likely a runner who was born in 1977.

Funny enough I'm a Habs fan but wasn't born in 89 lol I just like to throw people off

 

[Runner77]

I know you're deeply curious and not sarcastic, so here goes.

DA is a part of my name. I made the screen name years ago on the MSN Gaming zone when I was playing Age of Empires 2. In that game, Champions were a very good infantry unit.

Age of Empires 2 was a magnificent game. I see it's having a revival on Steam. Sometimes I get a craving to join, but then I realize I might end up unemployed, my children neglected, and I'd no longer find time to read your posts, so I choose not to install that game.

You, on the other hand, are likely a runner who was born in 1977.

Thanks for that, real cool backstory. I seem to remember that one of your early avatars was Superman and you had some posts about Canberra. Always cool to find out the meanings behind usernames. Thx for sharing.

 

[Sorinth]

I hear what you're saying and agree that it wouldn't be ideal to demote a young player who otherwise makes a strong case... But I think, like the 3 goalie situation this year, the Habs under KH aren't likely to part with an asset they value for nothing unless they have to.

Harris & Kovacevic are the two most likely to be moved if a logjam emerges, but I do think waiver eligibility will be leveraged if he can't get his asking price/

Well I'm not sure the goalie situation applies because I'm not sure the option of losing Allen for nothing has ever actually been on the table, I think it's retain and get a pick or not retain but give up a pick.

And yeah Harris & Kovacevik are more likely to be the ones on the outs if it's a we need to make a move situation. But if it's a we want player X and have to pay fair value for them then someone like Mailloux becomes more likely. If it's another team is willing to overpay then it's Savard that becomes more likely. Barron's in that middle area where he's probably not good enough to get something good like Mailloux maybe can, or teams will be willing to pay a premium for like Savard, but he's also better then the Harris/Kovacevik type who if we lose for minimal return is not that bad.

The one problem with trying to be patient and leveraging waiver eligibility to gain that time is that there's simply way more movement to be done during the summer. If you wait then interested teams won't be able to make good offers. And even though Hughes has shown that he can be patient, he's also shown he can move quickly so I'm not actually worried that he will let log jam actually build up significantly on D.

 

[Habs Icing]

what goal scoring? He’s got 4 this year. His career high is 23. Caufield had 26 last year in 46 games. Zegras had 23 in 81. You guys make Zegras sound like he’s Mats Naslund or something.

I haven't seen a lot of Zegras but I don't understand this hatred of him. In his draft class, he is the third-highest point-getter. Two points behind Cozens. Jack Hughes is in first place. Zegras is also 22 points ahead of our CC. He has 53 goals and 93 assists. He can't be that lousy of a teammate. He has the 3rd most assists from his draft class. Now if there's a problem with his defensive play that's another thing but offensively he is virtually tied with Cozens.

And this post is coming from a hockey Chauvinist. I usually don't go to bat for American players because I think for the most part many of them are overrated. The NHL wants to sell the game in the states therefore they hype up the American kids. So if I can see that Zegras is an offensively legit player, why can't you guys?

As for trading him, it depends on the ask. If it's this year's 1st round, I wouldn't do it. We could get a chance at Lindstrom or Demidov but I would consider it if the ask is Winnipeg's 1st and a B prospect.

 

[Habs Icing]

Kent Hughes.......................loves his leverage.
Which more often than not, has worked well for him.
But a genius we know, once said, Trades are Hard.
Said Genius is now running for coffee and bagels in a warmer climate....

You see that's where you're wrong. I have it on great authority that the Genius still has trouble distinguishing a bagel from a bundt cake.

 

[McGees]

Who we watching?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Who we watching?

Calgary - New Jersey

 

[SwiftyHab]

Think mike Johnson nailed it here. I was against it but he convinces me to be on team Zegras.

He thinks the kid could pick up his defence game. References lecavlier being an example the kid could follow.
he did great with Slaf.

Johnson: Plays don't die on his stick anymore

TSN hockey analyst Mike Johnson on the slow and steady improvement of Juraj Slafkovsky, what is going on with Trevor Zegras and what the Lightning will do following the injury to Mikhail Sergachev

www.tsn.ca

 

[salbutera]

Who we watching?

Holz?

 

[Habs Icing]

They were in on PLD. They drafted Slafkovsky. They targeted Dach. Newhook isn't big but he plays an inside game. They were completely off on Michkov. They passed on guys like Tolvanen on waivers.

They also drafted Mesar, Hutson, Rohrer, Harris, Konyushkov, Eriksson, Tourigny, and Guidon - not exactly the biggest or most physical guys on the ice.

 

[habsfan891]

Holz?

Or Meier if they want the proven forward they've been talking about

 

[The Great Weal]

Or Meier if they want the proven forward they've been talking about

I loved him as a Shark but his tenure as a Devil scares the f*** out of me for an 8.8 million player

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Odd are that neither are traded this year. Someone needs to show he can replace Matheson offense from the back end - so one of Hutson, Barron, Mailloux need to show early next season that they can carry the team that way, which is unlikely. Savard, while being easier to replace, still play RD a weak side and he bring leadership in the room, and that is needed.

Given that, KH will need an offer the he can<t refuse to move one of them.

Yeah it's not likely they are traded and probably not a good idea at this point. But was just curious what value people would accept to ship out any of the players

 

[Habs Icing]

Funny enough I'm a Habs fan but wasn't born in 89 lol I just like to throw people off

C'mon, how dumb do you think we are? We can all see you were born in 891. Must have been tough living through the Black Plague and those Mongol invasions.

 

[habsfan891]

C'mon, how dumb do you think we are? We can all see you were born in 891. Must have been tough living through the Black Plague and those Mongol invasions.

The black plague was certainly a terrible time to be alive and damn do I look good for 1200 lol

 

[Runner77]

They also drafted Mesar, Hutson, Rohrer, Harris, Konyushkov, Eriksson, Tourigny, and Guidon - not exactly the biggest or most physical guys on the ice.

And yet, we continue to see posts saying "never mind size". It's as if the Desharnais era never happened.

They don't need a whole team of it (near impossible to accomplish anyways as they're bound to make compromises in attempting it) but there can be a better balance. Maybe some of these players can be moved or packaged to allow for some bigger and more physical types (not Hutson, Eriksson, Konyushkov, maybe the others).