Speculation: 2024-25 Roster thread

[robbieboy3686]

Personally, I disagree with a lot of this list. Zegras and Minty are way too low. Killorn and Johnston too high. Helleson hasn't played enough to earn that top ranking. For me:

Stock Way Up: Dostal, Gibson, Zellweger, Leason
Stock Up: Carlsson, Helleson, Zegras, Mintyukov, Lundestrom, Gauthier
Stock Flat: Dumoulin, McGinn, LaCombe, Terry, Harkins
Stock Down: Johnston, Killorn, Vatrano, Fabbri, Storme
Stock Way Down: McTavish, Fowler, Gudas

Helleson simply getting in nhl games is why he’s way up. I didn’t have the dude playing a single game for us this season. Have to agree with Stephen’s on helleson

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Agreed on Terry, he’s been the only consistent forward on the roster. Only a couple of truly off games.

I think Killorn has been two players though. He was horrible until whatever the system change was, then he’s got 7 points in the last 7 games. He also leads the team at +7. He still makes too many mistakes, but his points and goals have been of the useful and intentional, rather than the more pointless and random nature of say McTavish.

Strome is to me what he’s paid to be. A responsible middle 6 player, who comes with middle 6 flaws. If Vatrano had been even typical Vatrano his points totals would be fine.

I wonder if Killorn's effectiveness in scoring is due to the fact we don't "dump & chase" as much b/c he isn't exhausted and can keep up with the play. Gain entry, control play, and Killorn is the recipient of helping to put up points on the scoresheet.

 

[robbieboy3686]

I wonder if Killorn's effectiveness in scoring is due to the fact we don't "dump & chase" as much b/c he isn't exhausted and can keep up with the play. Gain entry, control play, and Killorn is the recipient of helping to put up points on the scoresheet.

Probably, and so far we have 2 seasons of killer starting slow but then turning it around. Other than his broken finger last season, part of his value has been that he’s a healthy player who doesn’t miss many games. If he can stay healthy and somewhat the player he is now. Then just like last season, his pay is totally on par for what a multiple stanley cup winning player brings to a young team

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Personally, I disagree with a lot of this list. Zegras and Minty are way too low. Killorn and Johnston too high. Helleson hasn't played enough to earn that top ranking. For me:

Stock Way Up: Dostal, Gibson, Zellweger, Leason
Stock Up: Carlsson, Helleson, Zegras, Mintyukov, Lundestrom, Gauthier
Stock Flat: Dumoulin, McGinn, LaCombe, Terry, Harkins
Stock Down: Johnston, Killorn, Vatrano, Fabbri, Storme
Stock Way Down: McTavish, Fowler, Gudas

This is totally nitpicking, but how can Johnston be down, do you just hate him being on our team and can’t objectively look at his season. He has 1 goal and 4 pts in 15 games on pace for 22 pts, and he has already matched his goal and point total from last year where he played 68 games. He is a plus 1 so far this year. While I personally did not want him playing 15 out of 21 games this year, if at all, I just don’t see how you can put his stock down, just screams of a biased list. He also averaged 2.04 hits per game last year and this year is averaging 3.73 hits.

Now I understand pts don’t tell the whole story, hence why I agree with your take on Zegras. But for how awful Johnston was last year, he deserves some flowers for being a competent NHL fourth line plug a most night.

 

[robbieboy3686]

This is totally nitpicking, but how can Johnston be down, do you just hate him being on our team and can’t objectively look at his season. He has 1 goal and 4 pts in 15 games on pace for 22 pts, and he has already matched his goal and point total from last year where he played 68 games. He is a plus 1 so far this year. While I personally did not want him playing 15 out of 21 games this year, if at all, I just don’t see how you can put his stock down, just screams of a biased list. He also averaged 2.04 hits per game last year and this year is averaging 3.73 hits.

Now I understand pts don’t tell the whole story, hence why I agree with your take on Zegras. But for how awful Johnston was last year, he deserves some flowers for being a competent NHL fourth line plug a most night.

Agree with the Johnston plug by Stephen’s. He’s fought less this season, but as an overall player has improved a lot.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Sorry if this was covered in the GDT, but Killorn has beaten a goalie 3 times this year, each one on a pass from Zegras behind the net.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Sorry if this was covered in the GDT, but Killorn has beaten a goalie 3 times this year, each one on a pass from Zegras behind the net.

I think he mentioned that himself in his post game interview with Ally.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

We praise the team when it's warranted, we criticize the team when warranted. We are all, ultimately, just passionate fans who want to see the team and the players succeed. Putting lipstick on a pig serves no one.



90% of the dog piling you describe is people just joking around.

I agree we should praise and criticize when it is warranted. I just don’t think Cronin and Verbeek deserve as much FIRE them they suck as they get almost everyday on this sub. And I don’t think most people are joking, I wish people were joking when they got mad at Verbeek for not getting Montgomery….. when no one knows if he tried, if he wanted to l get him, if anyone but the Blues had a serious chance.

I am not putting lipstick on a pig, but I can see the vision and the long term plan. We have people on this sub who want to say GC is ruining player development, when every Avalanche fan said once we signed him as our HC that his specialty is player development. The NHL is not supposed to be a development league, alas it’s what we are doing. Do I think Cronin is more or a less a stop gap to instill a hard work ethic, personal accountability, and a hockey is first and foremost a business type attitude, while also being hard on players for making mistakes, and yet allowing them some freedom to make them. (Zelly fumbling that puck leading to the game tying goal and being out there the next faceoff, comes to mind). This is a gradual process, and I think we need a kind of carrot or stick HC currently in our developmental stage.

I hope and pray Cronin leads us to the playoffs, I’m not holding my breath, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he can serve a very valuable purpose for our rebuild, like Mark Jackson and the warriors.

Then with Verbeek, everyone says he doesn’t make any moves. Well, f***ing duh, we gutted the roster his first season to embrace the true rebuild. Iced an AHL defense his second year to try and get Bedard, and then iced the youngest Defense probably in the league last year, with 3 rookies making the opening night roster (2 of which were 20 or younger) and Zelly making the later in the year. Those are the years to sell at the deadline. He tried to add during FA this year and failed (honestly probably for the better), if we continue to play winning hockey the next couple months, I will be upset if he doesn’t add for a playoff push, but we haven’t been in a playoff push position, so we don’t know what he will do.

All I’m saying is player development isn’t linear, and a lot of the times don’t show up in the box score right away. I am a fan of both Verbeek and Cronin, and hope they can get us into the wagon I could see us becoming. I hope Cronin is along for the ride, but if he’s not, I still think he did job in terms of player development.