HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Bottomshelf]

Crazy idea maybe but.............

Who would swap Josh Anderson for P-L Dubois 1 for 1 with Dubois retained down to Anderson money ($5.5M)?

Four year longer contract for PLD but the guy is four years younger.

Dubois stats underwhelming this year, but still better than Anderson, and most other years were much better.

But we know MB loves Anderson so might LA be tempted to shake things up?

I wouldn’t do it for the contract alone, but even if we forget about that Dubois has done absolutely nothing to prove he’s a guy you want in your locker room. For someone with that much talent to already be traded twice makes you want to ask some questions.

Could you imagine if we traded for him and he did for us what he’s done for the kings? It would be worse than Drouin. Who had his own problems but that’s a whole different conversation.

I think he’ll turn it around and he could be a great guy for the culture, but 2 teams second guessed that already

 

[ML16]

No he’s a Center with a $8M cap hit till 2025, I think he was supposed to be 2C for them but he ain’t cutting it.

Colorado put one of their goalie on waivers today, maybe there’s something in the works like swapping Johansen and Allen with Habs getting some compensation for the extra cap hit. Probably won’t happen but one can dream…

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The Predators retained 50% of Johansen’s salary when they traded him to Colorado, so his current effective AAV/term (4M / 2 years) is about the same as Allen.

If the Avs somehow swap Johansen with Allen, they’d have about 3M to find another middle-6 C; enough for Henrique at a reduced rate 50%.

Bottom line, could be a way for Montreal to trade Allen without retention; Johansen could then fill a jersey until the end of the season and be amongst the Habs’ trade / 1-year salary retention candidates next year, along with Savard, Dvorak and to a lesser extent Armia.

 

[No More Subban]

Crazy idea maybe but.............

Who would swap Josh Anderson for P-L Dubois 1 for 1 with Dubois retained down to Anderson money ($5.5M)?

Four year longer contract for PLD but the guy is four years younger.

Dubois stats underwhelming this year, but still better than Anderson, and most other years were much better.

But we know MB loves Anderson so might LA be tempted to shake things up?

People may not like Josh but at least he's not a distraction. PLD will bring that and unnecessary drama + the whole province will look for him to be the savior of the team. It's just not worth it.

 

[John B]

The Predators retained 50% of Johansen’s salary when they traded him to Colorado, so his current effective AAV/term (4M / 2 years) is about the same as Allen.

If the Avs somehow swap Johansen with Allen, they’d have about 3M to find another middle-6 C; enough for Henrique at a reduced rate 50%.

Bottom line, could be a way for Montreal to trade Allen without retention; Johansen could then fill a jersey until the end of the season and be amongst the Habs’ trade / 1-year salary retention candidates next year, along with Savard, Dvorak and to a lesser extent Armia.

Thought about this too. I don't think it happens though. I don't see why Anaheim would take Johansen back to make a Henrique deal work and get a better return at the same time. Avs might still want Allen, but I don't think Habs will be taking back Johansen to enhance the value of Allen.

 

[ML16]

Thought about this too. I don't think it happens though. I don't see why Anaheim would take Johansen back to make a Henrique deal work and get a better return at the same time. Avs might still want Allen, but I don't think Habs will be taking back Johansen to enhance the value of Allen.

Allen @ 3.8M AAV over 2 years hardly has any significant value I think - and using a retention slot on him this year would be suboptimal flexibility-wise since the Habs would have no slot left until July and only one remaining for the entire 2024-2025 season…

I think Allen at full salary (+7th?) for Johansen (+3rd?) could actually be a win-win:

Avs fill a need for a good backup with playoffs experience and in doing so should have enough cap space (+/- 3M) to pull the trigger on another separate trade to bolster their middle-6 C.

Habs shed their least valuable goalie to focus on Montembault/Primeau; acquire a centerman to fill a NHL jersey without depleting the Rocket and, most importantly, with 2 salary retention spots remaining next year, they can trade Savard + one of Dvorak/Johansen with retention for one last TDL sale before switching gears in 2025-2026!

 

[Rapala]

Pitt is obviously all in this year.
Closing in the Playoff spot.

What do they need ?
They still have their 2nd 2024
They have really good prospect as well in Yager and Pickering

They need to turn the clock back and that ain't happening.

 

[John B]

Allen @ 3.8M AAV over 2 years hardly has any significant value I think - and using a retention slot on him this year would be suboptimal flexibility-wise since the Habs would have no slot left until July and only one remaining for the entire 2024-2025 season…

I think Allen at full salary (+7th?) for Johansen (+3rd?) could actually be a win-win:

Avs fill a need for a good backup with playoffs experience and in doing so should have enough cap space (+/- 3M) to pull the trigger on another separate trade to bolster their middle-6 C.

Habs shed their least valuable goalie to focus on Montembault/Primeau; acquire a centerman to fill a NHL jersey without depleting the Rocket and, most importantly, with 2 salary retention spots remaining next year, they can trade Savard + one of Dvorak/Johansen with retention for one last TDL sale before switching gears in 2025-2026!

I like the ideal. I would be down for it as well. I could see Anaheim thinking the same thing though. Henrique @ 50% retained to Avs for Johansen and a 1st or a good prospect or maybe a 1st and B level prospect or mid round pick. It would be nice if Habs could make the deal your proposing though. I like the ideal of flipping Johansen in the offseason or next deadline for another asset.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Ryan Johansen is Dubois in 6 years

 

[The Great Weal]

Zegras is a weird case. Guy definitely has the skill to be a great 1st liner. But he's gotta make changes to his game. I don't think he's this "cancer" that a lot of people think. He oozes charisma and competitiveness, and his teammates love him, seems like he can work hard and I do think playing for his old coach MSL and best friend Cole could round out his game. That being said, it could also backfire miserably.

 

[HuGort]

I would hope that Barron would get a first. He was a first round pick who's already had a few years to develop, and he's a RD.

Otherwise that would mean his value has dropped since the Lekhonen trade.

I wouldn't trade Barron at all. His value now is not high and he has upside. He has good wheels and hands, those kind of players takes 3-4 years to take their game to next level. Plus he's lost time to injuries. He's still relatively young

 

[Deus ex machina]

Allen @ 3.8M AAV over 2 years hardly has any significant value I think - and using a retention slot on him this year would be suboptimal flexibility-wise since the Habs would have no slot left until July and only one remaining for the entire 2024-2025 season…

I think Allen at full salary (+7th?) for Johansen (+3rd?) could actually be a win-win:

Avs fill a need for a good backup with playoffs experience and in doing so should have enough cap space (+/- 3M) to pull the trigger on another separate trade to bolster their middle-6 C.

Habs shed their least valuable goalie to focus on Montembault/Primeau; acquire a centerman to fill a NHL jersey without depleting the Rocket and, most importantly, with 2 salary retention spots remaining next year, they can trade Savard + one of Dvorak/Johansen with retention for one last TDL sale before switching gears in 2025-2026!

I thought about that too.
But if they make that trade one for one at full salaries, that doesn't leave the Avs with much cap space to get another center (around 2M, i think).

I can't see a scenario where the Habs can trade Allen at full salary. They are probably gonna need to retain 50%.
Teams that might be interested in him will want to keep as much cap flexibility as possible.

My guess is they are just gonna bring back Annunen.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Crazy idea maybe but.............

Who would swap Josh Anderson for P-L Dubois 1 for 1 with Dubois retained down to Anderson money ($5.5M)?

Four year longer contract for PLD but the guy is four years younger.

Dubois stats underwhelming this year, but still better than Anderson, and most other years were much better.

But we know MB loves Anderson so might LA be tempted to shake things up?

Has any team ever retained salary for 7 years in a trade? I can't see it happening.

 

[CaptainKirk]

Has any team ever retained salary for 7 years in a trade? I can't see it happening.

The same man that thought Gallagher would be worth getting paid $9M next year is on that management team. Nothing is impossible.

 

[BaseballCoach]

The Predators retained 50% of Johansen’s salary when they traded him to Colorado, so his current effective AAV/term (4M / 2 years) is about the same as Allen.

If the Avs somehow swap Johansen with Allen, they’d have about 3M to find another middle-6 C; enough for Henrique at a reduced rate 50%.

Bottom line, could be a way for Montreal to trade Allen without retention; Johansen could then fill a jersey until the end of the season and be amongst the Habs’ trade / 1-year salary retention candidates next year, along with Savard, Dvorak and to a lesser extent Armia.

I would do Allen for Johansen 1 for 1. I don't care about the tiny Cap difference. It gives each club more of what they need and less of what they don't need. And neither team is committed past next season if it is not working out.

 

[Whalers Fan]

The same man that thought Gallagher would be worth getting paid $9M next year is on that management team. Nothing is impossible.

If the GM came to me for approval on trading away a player that he had acquired less than a year ago for considerable assets, signed to a max term contract, and now wanted to deal him for no valuable asset and retain salary for seven years, my answer would be neither "yes" nor "no". It would be "Pack up your office. You're fired".

That's why it has never happened, and I cannot see it happening now.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Zegras is a weird case. Guy definitely has the skill to be a great 1st liner. But he's gotta make changes to his game. I don't think he's this "cancer" that a lot of people think. He oozes charisma and competitiveness, and his teammates love him, seems like he can work hard and I do think playing for his old coach MSL and best friend Cole could round out his game. That being said, it could also backfire miserably.

He would fit in well with our crew of pretty boy herbs but don't think he can be a key piece on a real hockey team

 

[26Mats]

The way we might start to start losing after dealing Monahan, Savard may ask to be dealt.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Crazy idea maybe but.............

Who would swap Josh Anderson for P-L Dubois 1 for 1 with Dubois retained down to Anderson money ($5.5M)?

Four year longer contract for PLD but the guy is four years younger.

Dubois stats underwhelming this year, but still better than Anderson, and most other years were much better.

But we know MB loves Anderson so might LA be tempted to shake things up?

Gallagher and Armia I'd do.

 

[B1g B1rd]

Can't believe some are still wanting PLD to Mtl! Why? The guy is a prima donna. Not what we need at all.

 

[Deebs]

Can't believe some are still wanting PLD to Mtl! Why? The guy is a prima donna. Not what we need at all.

It's nothing short of embarrassing some people still want this clown

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Some people are uncomfortable in their daily lives if the habs don't have dubois mort on their roster.

That would help them on literal and metaphorical levels.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Can't believe some are still wanting PLD to Mtl! Why? The guy is a prima donna. Not what we need at all.

That home town factor is an irresistible itch to some.

 

[Pat Riot]

If the GM came to me for approval on trading away a player that he had acquired less than a year ago for considerable assets, signed to a max term contract, and now wanted to deal him for no valuable asset and retain salary for seven years, my answer would be neither "yes" nor "no". It would be "Pack up your office. You're fired".

That's why it has never happened, and I cannot see it happening now.

Exactly, LA will not trade him this season with retention on top of that. Its not happening.

 

[Pat Riot]

It's nothing short of embarrassing some people still want this clown

Its not really wanting him but just for the value. I mean posters who are suggesting Dubois are basically offering our worst contracts and players for him. Which is ridiculous because LA would never do that. But I wouldnt mind trading Gallagher for Dubois. A GM would be crazy not to do that. But rest assured a trade for Dubois is not happening

 

[ChesterNimitz]

If the GM came to me for approval on trading away a player that he had acquired less than a year ago for considerable assets, signed to a max term contract, and now wanted to deal him for no valuable asset and retain salary for seven years, my answer would be neither "yes" nor "no". It would be "Pack up your office. You're fired".

That's why it has never happened, and I cannot see it happening now.

Well said.

Dubois is now almost as untradeable as Gallagher if that is even possible.

Imagine tying your career and legacy to a flawed player like Dubois.? Dumb always loses, and sometimes, it ends careers.