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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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Gaylord Q Tinkledink

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Ezpz said:
I don't think there's any way we're not using excess capital and picks for a trade. More likely in the off-season. There's no way a guy drafted 26th overall is going to come to help the team when Cole/Nick/Dach are in their prime unless we get lucky and another COVID comes and nobody can scout Wyatt Johnston again.

Nobody else from 2021 onwards is playing in the NHL except Johnston. Even in 2020 Chinakov is probably the best guy drafted after 20 but he was an overager. Even 2019 guys drafted that late are still clawing to get into the league. From 2018 Veleno is just taking a real full time top nine role now five years later.

I would expect some struggling 2019-2021 prospects, or decent players on teams trying to tank, ala Dach, to be targeted.

For lower/medium cost guys, potentially Holloway, Lundell, Bourque, Cuylle, Kakko, Kaliyev, Holtz

Higher cost Zegras, Lafreniere, Nikishin if he refuses to sign in a dump like Raleigh, or Zary. Turcotte outside chance as he's starting to put it together a little and LA need cheap players badly.

Probably Zegras is the only "elite skill" guy available. I would bet on Turcotte or Zegras as the target though, as both can play center or wing and have experience playing with Cole. Allowing Dach/Slaf/Newhook or someone better to complete the second line. Or even doing Cole/Dach/one of the US guys and Slaf-Nick-Newhook as the second line.
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True, but in order to be good for a while you need prospects in your pool who take a bit of time to develop and then help your team by being an ELC and giving the team depth.

If the Habs can draft someone late 1st who had 2 good post draft seasons and would tentatively be ranked as a top 15 pick, you've increased their value and can trade them in a package for a better current NHLer.


Habs need this 1st for their pool, but as you said to make a deal and get an NHLer that just needs more TOI
 
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I think Savard's contract at 3.5x2 isn't too bad and hopefully we don't have to use our last retention spot on him.

Would prefer to save it so we can help act as a 3rd team and eat 50% of a large contract for one year (i.e. Jake Guentzel 50%). Would be nice to have that retention option for next season as well.

Anyone know when Widemen is expected to be back? Curious if we could flip him at the deadline for a late pick if he's healthy
 
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A lot of playoff team could use a guy like Pearson on the 4th line the issue is that most aren't able to fit him and even at 50% he worth like a 5th at best, so I don't see him being moved.

It leave us with Savard, Harris and Allen that might move but beside Savard not much interresse, I think that we might move Savard and also 3rd team in a trade since it is probably the most valuable way to used that last retentions spot and that will be it for this year...

We should also be trying to help Colorado or Dallas to make sure Winnipeg doesn't win the division and doesn't make it past the first round to improve our pick.
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Probably keep Pearson and them. Need bodies to play out season. While keeping depth in Laval.
 

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Hughes tried to trade Monahan and Edmundson at last year TDL.

He finally achieved his goal.

Got a 1st + 3rd round pick + conditional 3rd (probably nothing).

Not bad

I hope he isn’t done.

I want Savard or Kovacevic traded + Allen.

We need badly a top 3 selection. Make it happen Hughes
 
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le_sean said:
He has playoff experience. I think he can get a 4th or 5th with retention. Some team that wants a veteran 3rd liner that can chip in.
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The Habs have plenty of later round draft picks. Why waste their last retention slot on Pearson to get another? Better to use that slot to move Savard for a high pick / prospect, or to get rid of Allen. Pearson's salary is not a problem, he's not blocking another young forward from the rsoter, and he's gone after this season.
 
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The Habs have plenty of later round draft picks. Why waste their last retention slot on Pearson to get another? Better to use that slot to move Savard for a high pick / prospect, or to get rid of Allen. Pearson's salary is not a problem, he's not blocking another young forward from the rsoter, and he's gone after this season.
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Because you don’t want two retention spots taken going into next year. It kind of handicaps any type of movement you might want to do in the summer. I don’t think Savard necessarily gets more now than he does on an expiring next season.
 
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If Pearson is traded with our last retention spot I believe it will be because no other trade requiring that spot and no brokering of it as a 3rd wheel team in a trade could yield more. And Hughes would not get enough for a Savard for instance and kept him for now.

In other words it will be the day of TDL.
 
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Because you don’t want two retention spots taken going into next year. It kind of handicaps any type of movement you might want to do in the summer. I don’t think Savard necessarily gets more now than he does on an expiring next season.
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There's is always the option of taking a "bad" contract back. Which is what Hughes has done on multiple occasions. God knows they will have the cap space for it.
 
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“Kent Hughes’ priority? Go get a talented offensive striker! When will it happen and how? That's still to be determined, but we're going to hear a lot of noise in the coming weeks. » - Renaud Lavoie
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well we lost Martinez to FC Montreal.
 
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le_sean said:
Because you don’t want two retention spots taken going into next year. It kind of handicaps any type of movement you might want to do in the summer. I don’t think Savard necessarily gets more now than he does on an expiring next season.
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It does, but if you use it on Savard let's says, what else would Montreal need 2 retention spots for ?

Shouldn't be gunning for it next year either. They can wait until the deadline and pay a team a 4th, or the acquiring team can for a guy like Dvorak while the Habs get a 3rd.

Habs don't really have much to sell next year, either.

If Monahan comes back, it's not on a 1 year deal.

Armia sucksz even retained wouldn't be worth it.

So, it's either Savard, which is fine and would get the Habs a great return, or they use it last minute on Pearson to get a 4th.
 
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink said:
It does, but if you use it on Savard let's says, what else would Montreal need 2 retention spots for ?

Shouldn't be gunning for it next year either. They can wait until the deadline and pay a team a 4th, or the acquiring team can for a guy like Dvorak while the Habs get a 3rd.

Habs don't really have much to sell next year, either.

If Monahan comes back, it's not on a 1 year deal.

Armia sucksz even retained wouldn't be worth it.

So, it's either Savard, which is fine and would get the Habs a great return, or they use it last minute on Pearson to get a 4th.
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Savard, Allen and Dvorak all expire after next year. I’d rather see what retention gets in the summer for Allen and Dvorak. Savard will get interested teams regardless next deadline. I’m not sure any team is really clamouring for Jake and Christian to be with them in the postseason.
 
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le_sean said:
Savard, Allen and Dvorak all expire after next year. I’d rather see what retention gets in the summer for Allen and Dvorak. Savard will get interested teams regardless next deadline. I’m not sure any team is really clamouring for Jake and Christian to be with them in the postseason.
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Yeah, but I'm not sure teams will be that interested in Dvorak.

He's hurt quite often and doesn't produce.

Take a 5th for him next year and let some other team retain 50% for a 4th.

If they retain on Savard, they'd still have 1 spot left for Allen, who might draw attention, like maybe a 3rd next year if the Habs are lucky.
 
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