HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[hvac412]

I am not a fan of trading with them since Chevy is always very stingy and seems to stick to his guns, don't think much can be extracted from Winnipeg with what the Habs have or want to offer.

Same with Sakic

 

[habsfan891]

Nice of Vancouver to make Monahan the best center available on the market and set a sellers market with the price they paid for Lindholm

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

Same with Sakic

I guess the Habs are lucky he isn't a GM?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I dont get why people are suggesting Dallas as a potential landing spot for Monahan. I dont see the need now. Also, Dallas is getting old and I really doubt they would trade potential replacement for Benn or Pavelski for a rental.

they are hoping dallas goes all in final kick at the can style

 

[Benstheman]

Ok i'm trying to do a deal with a contender that needs both Monahan and Savard.

I think Edmonton is good candidate for both players. And they have a candidate for a cap dump in Ceci to make things work.

So Here it is :

Monahan + Savard (50% retained)

for

Ceci
Holloway
Edm 2026 1st
Bourgault/Broberg

 

[Captain Mountain]

Exactly ! And it’s not by adding Harris or Kovacevic that this will change

At the end of the day Monahan is more a 3rd line center for a team that contend and he’s not a good defensive player. He produce 50 % of his points on the PP and he won’t play on the 1st PP on his next team so his production will regress and the other teams that want him or all aware of this


He’s a great prospect and would be our best offensive prospect and no teams will offer that kind of prospect for Monahan

I agree that Monahan isn't going to get top prospect in a trade {because rentals almost never return that), but I'd point out that:

-Monahan gets buried in zone starts and doesn't face easy competition. He's definitely not good defensively and may not even be mediocre, but the badness of his defensive play is somewhat overstated.
-Montreal is a really bad 5v5 team. They don't get a ton of chances and they've gotten a lesser proportion of 5v5 production from forwards than most teams. Among guys that have played every game for the team, Monahan actually has the best 5v5 P/60 (Pezz is actually better, but he has played fewer games and much less). He's also (among regulars) 2nd on 5v5 xGF/60.

Most, if not all, rental Cs will be expected to play lower in the lineup and have less production than they had in their team unless there's a clear spot for them, but that doesn't mean the value isn't there.

 

[Jaynki]

Monahan + Harris
VS
Brad Lambert

It would upgrade WIN C and blueline for the PO and Harris is an upgrade on their bottom pair and and also someone who may stay in their org long time.

Scheifele and Hellebuyck stated that they wanted to stay because when they traded Dubois, they did it as a win-now move and not for future.

A trade like this is in the same fashion.

Tho, i doubt Lambert is available. McGroarty is absolutely not available. Maybe if they panic and want to match VCR move. I would prefer Lambert to a late 1st but i think in the end we may have to settle for a bundle of picks including 1st RDer, which is incredible considering we already had a 1st for Monahan.

 

[JuicyHam]

I dont get why people are suggesting Dallas as a potential landing spot for Monahan. I dont see the need now. Also, Dallas is getting old and I really doubt they would trade potential replacement for Benn or Pavelski for a rental.

Dallas makes more sense than the Rangers. Sure the Rangers need a C but they already have the slowest forward group in the league they desperately need speed. Not saying the Rangers aren't interested but they probably shouldn't be

 

[morhilane]

Then he will never win the cup... love the peg, really do. but he need to grow a set and go for it.
his team deserves it and so do the fans

Chevy looks at the Panthers and Golden Knights who did almost nothing at the deadline last year and reached the final while teams who spent a lot didn't go far and tell himself his team can do it too.

 

[26Mats]

The issue with Henrique is that his cap hit is 5.825, so harder to fit under the cap even if the Ducks retain 50%.

that's a pretty normal cap hit for a player with that production. And they move all the time as pending ufa's.

 

[sampollock]

My favourite Beatles song.

I want to hold your hand is 60 years old today I think

go Kent a beatles favorite

Chevy looks at the Panthers and Golden Knights who did almost nothing at the deadline last year and reached the final while teams who spent a lot didn't go far and tell himself his team can do it too.

book it.. peg does not go for it. no cup

 

[26Mats]

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Hunter Brzustewics is a defenseman that has 69pts in 47 games in the OHL. That's good enough for 3rd overall in the OHL. 3rd round pick but still only 19 and has really made a jump in his development this year. Potential top 4, PP specialist.

If you redraft 2023, he goes first round in my opinion.

impressive that he's a dman and leading scorer on a stacked team.

 

[LaP]

Exactly ! And it’s not by adding Harris or Kovacevic that this will change

At the end of the day Monahan is more a 3rd line center for a team that contend and he’s not a good defensive player. He produce 50 % of his points on the PP and he won’t play on the 1st PP on his next team so his production will regress and the other teams that want him or all aware of this


He’s a great prospect and would be our best offensive prospect and no teams will offer that kind of prospect for Monahan

Monahan would be a 2nd liner for most teams in the NHL. Someone pretending otherwise doesn't watch hockey outside of his own team. Now yeah he would be a 3rd liner on some teams depending on what is their strength or weakness. But i've seen enough Avs games to tell you Monahan would play in their top 6. Only way he would play on their 3rd line is if the coach would try to spread the skills. Their 5th best scorer is Drouin. Let that sink in. Monahan would also be in Edmonton's top 6 unless they want him as center and don't want to use him as a winger. Their 6th best scorer is Foegele. NYR 5th best scorer is Lafreniere and the 6th one is 37 years old Wheeler.

I really don't know where this Monahan **** he's a 4th liner on a good day stupidity comes from. Monahan as always been a good player. Injury is the concern not skills. It's like suddenly a bunch of guys are trying to impersonate that rick guy from the pawn shop stupid TV show. The best i can do is a 7th round pick i have to restore it and make a huge profit. That's not how real life negotiation work. Many teams would need a Monahan in their top 6. As long as he is healthy those teams will be involved in a bidding war. He wont go for as much as Lindholm but he wont go for cheap either if teams are convinced he is healthy.

 

[FrankMTL]

that's a pretty normal cap hit for a player with that production. And they move all the time as pending ufa's.

It's just that the contending teams are tight against the cap....gotta get creative to fit even 3 million under the cap

Easier to move a player like Monahan who can easily fit under the cap

 

[26Mats]

It's just that the contending teams are tight against the cap....gotta get creative to fit even 3 million under the cap

Easier to move a player like Monahan who can easily fit under the cap

yes, in my verbiage, I would say Monahan's low cap hit is an advantage. But I would use the term issue to describe Monahan's severe injury history.

 

[HomaridII]

Not sure it was posted but the 4th round pick becomes a 3rd round pick if Vancouver makes the conference finals. If they don't make the conference finals then Calgary gets to pick the best of any 4th round pick Vancouver owns (they own 2 right now)

 

[Habs13]

I still want Holtz from the Devils... and he seems to be odd man out over there too.

 

[LaP]

I didn't realize Henrique has put up basically the s as me numbers as Monahan this year. I expect both to go for 1sts +



Is one of the prospects a really good prospect?

I would have loved a package of Kuzmenko and a 1st for Monahan.

Henrique cap hit is way higher though. He's also older and his playoffs stats are not impressive. He did well in playoffs in 2011 as a young player but outside of that one time "au chalet" that's about it he has only 2 playoffs appearance and did squat the 2nd time. Monahan has more playoffs appearance (4) and overall did better.

 

[bcv]

I really don't know where this Monahan **** he's a 4th liner on a good day stupidity comes from.

His main fault is being a Montreal Canadiens. As soon as they sign with them, players lose their value.

 

[LaP]

His main fault is being a Montreal Canadiens. As soon as they sign with them, players lose their value.

I'm glad Chiarot and Kulak lost all their value

 

[bcv]

I'm glad Chiarot and Kulak lost all their value

I should've added at the end "in the eyes of HFBoards", not in the real world.

 

[FrankMTL]

yes, in my verbiage, I would say Monahan's low cap hit is an advantage. But I would use the term issue to describe Monahan's severe injury history.

Pros and cons to both

Henrique has a higher cap it and is turning 34 in a few days. He's also on pace for his highest point total of his career, which can be considered a bit of a fluke, especially at almost 34 years old.

Monahan's only con is his injury history (although it's a massive one) as everybody knows the guy is a big time point producer, and is still only 29.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Monahan is our best chance of obtaining a quality young scoring prospect. I don't want a late first and B prospect. I just want an A prospect.
Quality > Quantity. It's time to use our depth to add to Monahan to get that player. None of our depth on D will return a young scorer alone.
Add whatever you have to to get that player. This is our depth (obviously there are some untouchables) but we don't need 17D, 3G and 22 Draft Picks.

Matheson Savard
Ghule Kovacevic
Struble Barron
Harris Mailloux
Xhekaj Reinbacher
Hutson Konyushkov
Engstrom Kostenko
Norlinder Sobolev
Trudeau

Montembeault
Allen
Primeau

22 Draft Picks in the next 2 years

No team will be trading an A prospect for a rental player...
Calgary didn't take the quantity package because they preferred that over quality. They took it because the quality package (acquiring Willander or Lekkerimaki) was not available.

 

[LesCanadiens]

I should've added at the end "in the eyes of HFBoards", not in the real world.

Yep. That's why I prefer to fight fire with fire vs those clowns. Because in the end, they'll be walking on one leg because one foot will be firmly lodged in their mouth. They still insist Monahan will fetch no better than one late 2nd round pick. It's totally off the wall.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

I was responding about Stankoven

I'm all for trading for Bourque.

I know, that's why I responded that! You do realize Bourque is not that much taller than Stankoven