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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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John B said:
Winnipeg deal might work. Barlow is likely the least valuable of their top forward prospects. I can see it working.

Edmonton deal could also work. They would be getting two players. Ceci likely comes back in the deal as well. I could see Edmonton not giving up Grubbe or giving up a 2nd rounder instead of the 1st.

Habs have to likely add for the Rangers deal. I don't think they'll give up their top forward prospect for Monahan alone. Goodrow is their only bad contract, but he has a NTC and I doubt he would waive it for Montreal. I would want more than Perreault if the Habs took back Goodrow anyway or maybe send Armia back the other way if Goodrow were willing to waive.

Colorado deal falls under the same category as Rangers deal. Perhaps the Habs could take Johansen back to make it work. He only has one year after this one at $4M. If he's decent for the Habs next year they might be able to flip him at 50% retained at the deadline for an additional asset. Teams are always looking to add depth up the middle.

I am concerned that teams might be worried about Monahan's injury history. They may not want to cough up too much for player that is snakebitten when it comes to health. I'm preparing myself for a lower return. Something like a conditional 1st based on number of games played for the rest of the season and playoffs or a 2nd and 3rd rounder or equivalent prospect.
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I was high on Barlow last draft. But this year his numbers not advanced. Some draft/prospect experts need to common on Barlow
 
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Scintillating10 said:
I was high on Barlow last draft. But this year his numbers not advanced. Some draft/prospect experts need to common on Barlow
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Barlow with his early beard growing capabilities, could definitely fall into the category of someone who peaked too soon!

I think I'd target Lambert from Jets if they were willing to give up one of McGroarty, Lambert, Lucius and Barlow. He dropped off in his draft year, but since then has kind of flown under the radar. I like his offensive skills. Seems to be a goal scorer. Can play centre and RW. Would give us a lot of options in our middle 6.
 
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waitin425 said:
Barlow with his early beard growing capabilities, could definitely fall into the category of someone who peaked too soon!

I think I'd target Lambert from Jets if they were willing to give up one of McGroarty, Lambert, Lucius and Barlow. He dropped off in his draft year, but since then has kind of flown under the radar. I like his offensive skills. Seems to be a goal scorer. Can play centre and RW. Would give us a lot of options in our middle 6.
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The only one I could see Winnipeg move on that list for Monahan is Lucius though
 
Boss Man Hughes said:
Monahan, Savard with a cap dump in return, Pearson and Harris, Kovacevic as add ons are all possibles.
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The Great Weal said:
I wouldn't expect much. Allen's contract is an issue, if he does get traded it would be an offseason thing. I doubt they will retain on Armia for two seasons to get like a 3rd,that's probably a next deadline move. Savard is someone that I could see a team paying up for but still unlikely, especially with retention. Matheson likely isn't going anywhere.

We will trade Monahan and that's about it. Maybe Pearson if we can fool a general manager.
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About that Armia contract.

Armia has one goal less than Lindholm, though of course only 1 assist.

However, Monahan makes so much less that the two cap hits combined are less than Lindholm and the 4th liner Armia pushes out.

These two guys plus Allen or Savard really help solidify Edmonton and/or Winnipeg.

Send two to each team and get back a cap dump, a (late) first and a good prospect from each.

Retain on either Savard or Allen.

Move Anderson for a first (or an NHL roster player under 24 with second line potential), and a two year cap dump (until June 2025) coming back.

In the summer send Dvorak at 50% retention to someone who wants him for depth next year and get a 2nd or 3rd back.
 
EDIT: I see that i missed the whole conversation regarding Bourque haha

Dallas probably doesn't need another centre, but I would love to get my hands on Mavrik Bourque.

I don't know if Monahan on his own or a package of Monahan and Savard for Bourque and a draft pick + cap dump could get it done.

They have a team that could go far in the playoffs, but some depth would be great.
 
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crosbyshow said:
If Dallas is in the mix, I would go for Monahan vs Mavrik Bourque.

Just turned 22 years old with 47 points in 39 games in the AHL
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Are you sending our 1st round pick along with Monahan to make that happen? No chance Dallas touches that. And if I'm trading with Dallas, not that it's nay better for them but I'm going after Stankoven
 
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Monahan is our best chance of obtaining a quality young scoring prospect. I don't want a late first and B prospect. I just want an A prospect.
Quality > Quantity. It's time to use our depth to add to Monahan to get that player. None of our depth on D will return a young scorer alone.
Add whatever you have to to get that player. This is our depth (obviously there are some untouchables) but we don't need 17D, 3G and 22 Draft Picks.

Matheson Savard
Ghule Kovacevic
Struble Barron
Harris Mailloux
Xhekaj Reinbacher
Hutson Konyushkov
Engstrom Kostenko
Norlinder Sobolev
Trudeau

Montembeault
Allen
Primeau

22 Draft Picks in the next 2 years
 
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Beendair Donedat said:
For the Sean Monahan Sweepstakes -

If it’s Colorado:

To Colorado: Sean Monohan

To Montreal: Calum Ritchie

Something along those lines anyway.
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Regardless of anyone's personal opinions on Ritchie or Monahan, the Avalanche don't give up big assets for short term rentals. Never mind short term rentals with injury issues, or on a team that already has a failed, slow moving, injury riddled centre on the team in Johansen. I don't think Ritchie is available at all, but definitely not for someone who's not going to be on the team for the next 4+ years.
 
Scintillating10 said:
I was high on Barlow last draft. But this year his numbers not advanced. Some draft/prospect experts need to common on Barlow
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I still think Barlow is the real deal. He has battled a bad back most of the season and is just now rounding into form health-wise. I know the injuries are a concern, but when healthy, he has the potential to be a high end winger in the NHL.
 
Andy said:
I would add to a monahan trade if it would mean upgrading the prospect return
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100%

Unless KH decides to use the pick for another trade that's not with the one we dealing Monahan to. No point keeping this pick that will end up being between 24 and 32 IMO
 
If Monahan gets you a 1st, my opinion is that it will be a B-level prospect who will be in the deal. Similar to when Toffoli was traded to the Flames, Heineman was the prospect Habs got. Everyone was hoping for Pelletier, but Flames would have never traded their top prospect AND a 1st round pick.

But even if Habs get a 2nd round pick in order to get a better prospect in the deal, don't expect teams to trade their top prospects. Winnipeg won't give us McGroarty, Dallas won't give us Bourque, Rangers won't give us Perreault, etc.

If Monahan was an elite game breaker, that's a different story. But he isn't so hoping he nets you some teams' top prospects isn't realistic.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
If Monahan gets you a 1st, my opinion is that it will be a B-level prospect who will be in the deal. Similar to when Toffoli was traded to the Flames, Heineman was the prospect Habs got. Everyone was hoping for Pelletier, but Flames would have never traded their top prospect AND a 1st round pick.

But even if Habs get a 2nd round pick in order to get a better prospect in the deal, don't expect teams to trade their top prospects. Winnipeg won't give us McGroarty, Dallas won't give us Bourque, Rangers won't give us Perreault, etc.

If Monahan was an elite game breaker, that's a different story. But he isn't so hoping he nets you some teams' top prospects isn't realistic.
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I was hoping for Zary or Pelltier without the 1st for Toffoli, but am now happy with the 1st and Heineman...


Watch Hughes get more for Monahan than Calgary got for Lindholm, now that Monahan is the top center on the market and bidding intensifies as the deadline approaches. I did find it odd that Hughes sold Toffoli so far in advance of the TDL.
 
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Adam Michaels said:
If Monahan gets you a 1st, my opinion is that it will be a B-level prospect who will be in the deal. Similar to when Toffoli was traded to the Flames, Heineman was the prospect Habs got. Everyone was hoping for Pelletier, but Flames would have never traded their top prospect AND a 1st round pick.

But even if Habs get a 2nd round pick in order to get a better prospect in the deal, don't expect teams to trade their top prospects. Winnipeg won't give us McGroarty, Dallas won't give us Bourque, Rangers won't give us Perreault, etc.

If Monahan was an elite game breaker, that's a different story. But he isn't so hoping he nets you some teams' top prospects isn't realistic.
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Well said.

The problem with that whole Quality > Quantity logic is that it applies to the other teams too.
 
Adam Michaels said:
If Monahan gets you a 1st, my opinion is that it will be a B-level prospect who will be in the deal. Similar to when Toffoli was traded to the Flames, Heineman was the prospect Habs got. Everyone was hoping for Pelletier, but Flames would have never traded their top prospect AND a 1st round pick.

But even if Habs get a 2nd round pick in order to get a better prospect in the deal, don't expect teams to trade their top prospects. Winnipeg won't give us McGroarty, Dallas won't give us Bourque, Rangers won't give us Perreault, etc.

If Monahan was an elite game breaker, that's a different story. But he isn't so hoping he nets you some teams' top prospects isn't realistic.
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Exactly ! And it’s not by adding Harris or Kovacevic that this will change

At the end of the day Monahan is more a 3rd line center for a team that contend and he’s not a good defensive player. He produce 50 % of his points on the PP and he won’t play on the 1st PP on his next team so his production will regress and the other teams that want him or all aware of this

L4br3cqu3 said:
Is Bourque supposed to be a superstar or something ?

Dallas would have to add.
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He’s a great prospect and would be our best offensive prospect and no teams will offer that kind of prospect for Monahan
 
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