HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Goalfield13]

Kakko for an extended Monahan makes too much sense, so it won't happen. It's clear the Rags have given up on him and want to compete while Panarin is in his prime. They just lost their promising young 3C as well. It checks a lot of boxes. If it does happen, the question will be, who does he play with when he gets here? I guess that's a problem for later.

Regardless of how he is performing he is the best they got right now… Just like us Regardless of what you think of him Armia is still significantly better than the next guy in our depth chart. One of the biggest reason NYR is look for a C is that he lost Chytil so they are already down 1 top 9 get rid of Kakko that is 2 top 9, even if Monahan is better than both individually in the playoff it your weakest link that will cost you. Even if they trade Kakko for Monahan they are likely to make an other move to replace Kakko, Kakko might be on the block but I think he will likely return a roster player that isn’t a rental or get move in the off season.

They could always ask Monahan what his contract demands will be and if he would be willing to sign there before the trade happens.

 

[calder candidate]

Cap dump not necessary.........Monahan will have about 400k left in salary.......not much room needed there. Fitting Monahan in salary wise, looks pretty easy.
I absolutely agree it will be prospects, or picks, and don't think anyone off the current lineup from which ever contender bites.

A cap dump isn’t necessary just to fit Monahan the team might need room for a other move or just get rid of dead weight for MTL it might improve return on a trade.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Injuries can happen again with an aging team. They only made the playoffs last year because Pittsburgh couldn't even beat Chicago in the last game of the season.

How much of a raise is Reinhart getting this offseason? If they keep him, that likely means bye-bye to Forsling and Montour.

Are we sure? They have $1.235M space now.

They lose OEL at year end = $2.250M

Cap going up $3.500M

Total available for raises: $7.0M

Raises:
Luostarinen $1.500M already extended
Reinhart $2.500M at most
Montour $2.000M
Forsling $0.833M

Not disastrous

 

[sampollock]

Monahan Will be traded for a prospect that isn’t playing in the NHL, picks or a combination of both, the only way a roster player come back is if it is a cap dump a la Tatar.

then do that... need talent not maybe's

“Lavoie on TVA Sports advises people not to listen to the most recent trade rumor involving Arber Xhekaj (regarding the exceptional 1vs1 offer). » - Marc Dumont

 

[SwiftyHab]

Ok Winnipeg, well take McGroarty for Monahan and a 2nd. This guy is solid

 

[Runner77]

then do that... need talent not maybe's

Picking within a team’s existing bank of prospects could turn out to be a much better option than a late round pick however it also depends on who teams make available.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Are we sure? They have $1.235M space now.

They lose OEL at year end = $2.250M

Cap going up $3.500M

Total available for raises: $7.0M

Raises:
Luostarinen $1.500M already extended
Reinhart $2.500M at most
Montour $2.000M
Forsling $0.833M

Not disastrous

Forsling is a 27 year old who is a key part of their D and can log major minutes, he will get a lot more than ~$3.5M a year. They also wouldn't lose OEL's whole cap hit as someone would need to replace him.

They also have Verhaeghe, Ekblad and Bennett as UFAs the following year which will impact their decisions this offseason. Odds are they let Bennett walk and move Lundell up, but Verhaeghe will definitely get a big raise.

I think they are still in a solid position and will have a very strong team next year, but they have some difficult decisions to make.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Ok Winnipeg, well take McGroarty for Monahan and a 2nd. This guy is solid

I'd take him, if only because I loved Rutger Hauer and I'd like to think the kid was named in his honor

 

[sampollock]

Picking within a team’s existing bank of prospects could turn out to be a much better option than a late round pick however it also depends on who teams make available.

the peg is the team I hope that Sean goes to
1. peg has good prospects
2. want the peg to do well this year (even though TSN or SN won't give them press time, lol)
3. Savard back to TB , my guess
4. rather a good prospect then a high 2nd round pick, my feelings

 

[BLONG7]

I think his cap hit is still 2M though.


Sure Armia is overpaid, like most players signed as UFAs.
I don't pay his salary, so as long as his cap hit doesn't prevent the Habs from getting another good player, i'm fine with it.

I read a team only needs 400k room to add Monahan.....

 

[salbutera]

I read a team only needs 400k room to add Monahan.....

I assume that’s on deadline day w approx 25% of season remaining?

 

[BLONG7]

I assume that’s on deadline day w approx 25% of season remaining?

Yes..............that in itself, should help with the return, you would think.
Leverage, is something Hughes understands better than most...............Monahan is getting traded.

Not to say he doesn't come back as a UFA in the summer?

 

[Habs Icing]

Don’t know about ya’ll but I am enjoying not getting frustrated by this team for a few days.

Read somewhere today about Monahan potentially landing Habs Zegras however I don’t see it from the ducks perspective.

How about if I plant myself in front of your house and every time you respond to my duck call I take a potshot at you? Will that help you to see it from the ducks' perspective?

Sorry for the lame joke but I couldn't resist.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Don’t know about ya’ll but I am enjoying not getting frustrated by this team for a few days.

Read somewhere today about Monahan potentially landing Habs Zegras however I don’t see it from the ducks perspective.

It would be a real shitty move by Montreal to trade Monahan to an even worse team instead of a team aspiring to make a deep playoff run and potentially win it.

 

[BLONG7]

It would be a real shitty move by Montreal to trade Monahan to an even worse team instead of a team aspiring to make a deep playoff run and potentially win it.

99% sure.................Monahan goes to a playoff team. HuGo will not let him down......or the team for that matter.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Are we sure? They have $1.235M space now.

They lose OEL at year end = $2.250M

Cap going up $3.500M

Total available for raises: $7.0M

Raises:
Luostarinen $1.500M already extended
Reinhart $2.500M at most
Montour $2.000M
Forsling $0.833M

Not disastrous

Its not disastrous, but I think that your expectations on those contracts are out of whack. Even assuming he takes a discount, Reinhart's is probably right under or at Tkachuk's hit so a close to 3 mil raise. On the open market he hits 10 mil + AAV with ease. For Montour, while term will be a big factor of the AAV, a 2.5 to 3 mil AAV raise isn't all that outside the realm of likelihood. Forsling is a young UFA who's been great for a few years now, if he doubles his AAV then it will be an underpay.

But even going off of your raises and assuming a cap of 87.5 mil, that would leave Florida with 10 mil in cap space and only covers 13 players under contract. It also ignores RFAs to re-sign (like Lundell) and potential bonus overages.

But seriously, Montour and Forsling are both at least #2 D-men on a good team as UFAs, even if they were to take discounts, wouldn't have a combined AAV under 10 mil. They're likely both looking at Weegar's contract as a starting point.

 

[habbubba]

Ok, Hughes should trade Harris for a 4th and Allen with 50% retention for a 7th.

To not be greedy.

Oh my, I don't even know how to respond to that. Is that what you understood I was alluding to? I said nothing of the sort. I'll thank you now for not involving me in your fabricated fairy-tales in the future.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It would be a real shitty move by Montreal to trade Monahan to an even worse team instead of a team aspiring to make a deep playoff run and potentially win it.

It won't happen. No team that is out of contention will be interested and certainly not Anaheim.

 

[Dutronc]

Ok Winnipeg, well take McGroarty for Monahan and a 2nd. This guy is solid

Was high on him ! Glue guy with talent !

 

[SwiftyHab]

Was high on him ! Glue guy with talent !

Is he as good as Ryan Leonard?

 

[Habby4Life]

I don't think you will get much for Armia. Why use a retention spot on him?
Armia is currently playing on the 2nd line. He's not hurting the team.
He has only one other year left on his contract and there's no cap issues for next season.

I think people still want to trade him just out of habit...lol

The big problem left is Gallagher.

Gallagher isn’t a problem. With the cap going up, contracts falling off (Armia, Price, Allen and Savard), they will have plenty of cap space. Gallagher will be gone by the time this team is ready to seriously compete for the playoffs.

 

[calder candidate]

Ok Winnipeg, well take McGroarty for Monahan and a 2nd. This guy is solid

I don’t think McGroarty is available even if we add, we might have to settle for Lambert. You never know we had to settle for Suzuki and that work out pretty well.

 

[1909]

Gallagher isn’t a problem. With the cap going up, contracts falling off (Armia, Price, Allen and Savard), they will have plenty of cap space. Gallagher will be gone by the time this team is ready to seriously compete for the playoffs.

Ouch ! You mean three more full seasons ? And he is indeed a problem. Other younger players deserve his job.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Gallagher isn’t a problem. With the cap going up, contracts falling off (Armia, Price, Allen and Savard), they will have plenty of cap space. Gallagher will be gone by the time this team is ready to seriously compete for the playoffs.

He does not deserve to be paid for playing hockey, that’s my issue with him

 

[EXPOS123]

I don’t think McGroarty is available even if we add, we might have to settle for Lambert. You never know we had to settle for Suzuki and that work out pretty well.

I’ve said this before but the Jets are incredible at drafting talent.

Really wish we could poach some of their scouts