HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[The Great Weal]

Not happening bro

Gonna cost close to a 1st just to dump RyJo so ya Avs will have to take back Dvorak or give up more assets than a 1st and a 2nd years away for Monahan and Primeau.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I think he has certain tools that would make him a Top-6 here. He'd at worst be a Top-9. He would get PP time because with a shot like his, you can't not put him on the PP. In LA, he's on their 4th line, but he is on their PP.

He's got an elite shot and he's got size (6'2" and 209 lbs).

I look at him kind of like I do Newhook. In the sense that he is putting up a decent amount of goals and points for a player stuck down the line-up and not averaging a lot of minutes. But once he comes into a situation where he can play higher in the line-up and be more free, he will thrive.

Before Newhook got hurt, he was on pace for a 25-goal and 46-point season. Before that in Colorado, he was a 13-14 goal and 30 point player averaging between 13-14 minutes of TOI. Kaliyev has been a 13-14 goal and around a 30-point player averaging between 11-13 minutes of TOI.

When Monahan is gone, Kaliyev would look good in Slaf's spot on the half boards, while I think Slaf would be more effective and productive around the front of the net.

He could also be a good fit next year with Dach/Newhook as they could use a shoot first guy on their line.

I wouldn't give up a ton for him but after seeing Armia, Anderson, Gallagher and Pearson play minutes in our top 6 or on the PP, I am happy to take a chance on some younger talent lol.

 

[McGees]

Witness.

 

[The Great Weal]

Kaliyev kinda stinks, he's pretty much the younger version of current Hoffman

 

[Habssince89]

I know at the end of the day we need skill and especially goals, but I hope we address the need for ability along the boards. I hope we can acquire a young winger with size who can help maintain possession, similar to armia or slaf, who can develop into a 25-30G guy. I doubt any clear cut 1st line talent is going to be available, so I think going after the kind of top6 winger with a cycle game might be the best option. Once the habs stop relying on rush chances, we see the difference. We saw it with Dach emerging, and now Slaf's development. It makes a huge difference and the more of these guys we add the more space and time for Suzuki CC and Newhook.

 

[Miller Time]

Will say it again.If Zegras was anything special why would he be available from a team that is rebuilding? And if anyone wanted to take a chance on him it certainly wouldn't be for a top 10 pick . Maybe a 2nd round pick and a grade B prospect

I'd split the difference there... Don't think he's fallen in value that far. Keep in mind the price we paid for the less accomplished Newhook just last summer.

CGY's pick + Dvorak as a base, with maybe another depth asset (one of our LDs prospects not named X or Lane or a late 2nd (Col) or 3rd)... If the Ducks are moving on, that should at least put us in the discussion. I don't doubt several teams would be making a pitch, and I'd be shocked if he went for as little as a 2nd + Prospect

 

[Miller Time]

Habs have to be cautious to not throw the baby with his bath's water. Any team needs good veteran players to surround the younger ones. IF Monahan wants to stay and sign a 4-5 years contract with MTL, they should keep him. They should also keep Savard for the rest of his contract. There is very few forwards at AHL or Junior level that can help that team next season. They all need time at AHL level. Same for D. It will be different for the 2025-26 season. Habs don't need more picks. They just have to draft better and or as best as they can.

3yrs I'm good with market value (5.5-6.5M?), at 4 he'd better be giving us some discount (5-6M?), at 5yrs it would need to be a really lower cap hit (~4.5M or less).

Killorn got [email protected] last year, and the cap has gone up... I'm sure his agent will be anchoring the ask to that as a starting point.

If he really does like playing here, to me a 3yr 6.5M$ deal makes a lot of sense. He gets ~20M$ in long term financial security, stays in a place he fits in great, gets to be a part of a team transitioning to playoff contender (maybe even cup contender in that span), and if he does stay healthy & productive, can cash in with another big deal starting in his 33 year old season (Killorn got his deal in his 34 year old season).

If I'm him, not sure id leave Mtl for a 4-5yr deal elsewhere at similar/less annual salary... @47M in career earning so far, adding an extra 20M in a great situation (& decent chance at another big deal after that) vs 30-35M going to an unknown, I'd probably pick the place over max $. We'll see where he lands.

 

[MrNasty]

imo they just dont get traded A level prospects are so valuable not only because of the potentiel but also the ELC contract

Could be wrong im trying to remember the last time one got traded btw i dont consider Cutter one

Technically, the majority of 'A' prospects end up being B or C prospects.
All players drafted in the first round are considered 'A' prospects one year after being drafted.
It seems that the 2nd year that drops about 1/3 and then another 1/3 the year after that

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Technically, the majority of 'A' prospects end up being B or C prospects.
All players drafted in the first round are considered 'A' prospects one year after being drafted.
It seems that the 2nd year that drops about 1/3 and then another 1/3 the year after that

what Lol no they are not ur gonna tell me u considered Mesar an A level prospect when we drafted him?

Leo Carlsson
Adam Fantilli
Matvei Michkov

Those guys are A prospects

 

[Miller Time]

Here's a summer trade pitch...

To AZ
Xhekaj, Ylonen (or RHP or Pez), Price

To Mtl
Hayton

Zona has 13M$ in LTIR cap coming off the books this summer. With he cap (& floor) rising, I suspect they will be looking for more LTIR targets to help with cap compliance (while insurance pays the bills)... Price's deal gives them 2more years of 10.5M buffer to the floor.

They have no NHL D signed for next year (5 RFA's+ 3 UFAs), Xhekaj could easily claim a top 6 spot with them.
One of RHP, Ylonen, Pez gives them additional cheap W depth.

With their 3 vet C's signed next year, plus Cooley (& Geekie/Raty possibly pushing for a spot), Hayton & his RFA raise may be expendable...

For us, Hayton is a nice fit at 3C behind Suzuki/Dach and age-wise fits in well to grow with our young core.

 

[General Fanager]

Hayton

Or let Newhook or Beck have a shot at it and keep the assets. Too much to give up for a guy who would be the 3C

 

[Habricot]

Will say it again.If Zegras was anything special why would he be available from a team that is rebuilding? And if anyone wanted to take a chance on him it certainly wouldn't be for a top 10 pick . Maybe a 2nd round pick and a grade B prospect

I believe the exact same sentence was used when we acquired Dach.

 

[Miller Time]

Or let Newhook or Beck have a shot at it and keep the assets. Too much to give up for a guy who would be the 3C

Fair. Though I don't see Newhook's game translating well to full time C, and barring a very unlikely rapid transition, Beck is probably 4-5yrs away from being at Hayton's current level (quite similar players in many ways, Hayton was likely drafted too early & Beck too late, but leave draft slot aside they have similar attributes & Beck's ceiling is probably pretty close to what Hayton's looks like, he's just 4-5 years further along to reach it which fits our timelines much better).

Xhekaj is an interesting challenge. As much as I see the value of his unique attributes, I'm growing less convinced that he'll be able to hold down a top 6 spot for us... Hayton as a return is really good asset reallocation imo (& I suspect yotes fan would not view a 1:1 favorably... The Price aspect makes sense at an ownership level, that's why I think it can work to offset the on ice value... RHP/Ylonen/Pez have minimal if any value.

 

[salbutera]

 

[vokiel]

Crazy Idea? Lets try to get Danault back from the Kings!

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Oh look Monahan will probably get a first. Weird

 

[Miller Time]

Crazy Idea? Lets try to get Danault back from the Kings!

At what price though?

He's been pretty good for them, can't see them giving him up for anything short of an overpayment.

 

[vokiel]

At what price though?

He's been pretty good for them, can't see them giving him up for anything short of an overpayment.

I wouldn't expect much for a 30 yo 40-50 pts center, but yes at what price. Primeau, rights to Kapanen .... Us taking on PLD's albatross ?

 

[Miller Time]

Oh look Monahan will probably get a first. Weird

That's just KH using propaganda to pump and dump Monahan on those poor unexcpecting GMs in Colorado or WPG... But luckily for them, HF keyboard warriors will sniff that out and sound the alarm bells to foil evil Ken's wretched plans...

 

[26Mats]

Would you do it?

TO LA: Josh Anderson
TO MTL: PLD

Wow, pierre luc dubois is back in the conversation.

Here's a summer trade pitch...

To AZ
Xhekaj, Ylonen (or RHP or Pez), Price

To Mtl
Hayton

Zona has 13M$ in LTIR cap coming off the books this summer. With he cap (& floor) rising, I suspect they will be looking for more LTIR targets to help with cap compliance (while insurance pays the bills)... Price's deal gives them 2more years of 10.5M buffer to the floor.

They have no NHL D signed for next year (5 RFA's+ 3 UFAs), Xhekaj could easily claim a top 6 spot with them.
One of RHP, Ylonen, Pez gives them additional cheap W depth.

With their 3 vet C's signed next year, plus Cooley (& Geekie/Raty possibly pushing for a spot), Hayton & his RFA raise may be expendable...

For us, Hayton is a nice fit at 3C behind Suzuki/Dach and age-wise fits in well to grow with our young core.

Interesting idea. I don't know Hayton well. But I only trade Xhekaj if I think I can get a forward I project to be top 6.

Here's a summer trade pitch...

To AZ
Xhekaj, Ylonen (or RHP or Pez), Price

To Mtl
Hayton

Zona has 13M$ in LTIR cap coming off the books this summer. With he cap (& floor) rising, I suspect they will be looking for more LTIR targets to help with cap compliance (while insurance pays the bills)... Price's deal gives them 2more years of 10.5M buffer to the floor.

They have no NHL D signed for next year (5 RFA's+ 3 UFAs), Xhekaj could easily claim a top 6 spot with them.
One of RHP, Ylonen, Pez gives them additional cheap W depth.

With their 3 vet C's signed next year, plus Cooley (& Geekie/Raty possibly pushing for a spot), Hayton & his RFA raise may be expendable...

For us, Hayton is a nice fit at 3C behind Suzuki/Dach and age-wise fits in well to grow with our young core.

Interesting idea. I don't know Hayton well. But I only trade Xhekaj if I think I can get a forward I project to be top 6.

 

[Mcdonaldz]

Read above... if im a GM, making a run at the SC, and (after finding out chityl is out for season) would be thrilled if my 3rd line (solid depth, playoff performers) Armia-Monahan-Anderson was my insurance policy to help a very elite top 6 take it home.. and it cost me a useless high draftee and a late 1st??

This is right out of the Vegas playbook... put Ego aside..

Lots of players in the league.

The assets the other team is giving away are always useless and we’re doing them a favour by letting them give us Kakko and a first, for Monahan and a cap dump, I get it now.

 

[Miller Time]

Would you do it?

TO LA: Josh Anderson
TO MTL: PLD

Wow, pierre luc dubois is back in the conversation.

For Gally, yes probably.
For Anderson... Nope.

Interesting idea. I don't know Hayton well. But I only trade Xhekaj if I think I can get a forward I project to be top 6.


Interesting idea. I don't know Hayton well. But I only trade Xhekaj if I think I can get a forward I project to be top 6.

Hayton had a very good year last season, and was the yotes leading C (TOI) through 16 games this year before being hurt.

He's a borderline top 6 player now, or excellent 3C with the ability to play up if needed.

Strong all around game and work ethic, so room to keep improving even if on skill alone he's probably not going to hit a top line level.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

PLD should be nowhere near a young team

He will “poison the well” as they say

 

[The Real Timo]

Don’t know about ya’ll but I am enjoying not getting frustrated by this team for a few days.

Read somewhere today about Monahan potentially landing Habs Zegras however I don’t see it from the ducks perspective.

 

[Guy Larose]

Don’t know about ya’ll but I am enjoying not getting frustrated by this team for a few days.

Read somewhere today about Monahan potentially landing Habs Zegras however I don’t see it from the ducks perspective.

Nowhere credible I'm sure.