HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[26Mats]

Perfect example of how big a factor context can be...

Coaching change + team focus change & he hasn't been able to adapt. Skill is obviously there, but he appears to be a very context dependent player to be successful

Apparently, he's available for next to nothing, as the Canucks want to clear cap space and he's on the book for one more year after this one at 5.5M.

Could be a player we could take a look at, Gurianov style. He doesn't really fit our age window. But at worst if we got him going, he could get us another 1st at next year's TDL.

 

[SwiftyHab]

I like Zegras really much. Guy is a competitor who raises his game when push comes to shove. He would be great in the PO. Plus he has dog in him. People saying he is soft arent watching him. He isnt Xhekaj but hes farrrr away from Suzuki/Drouin/Caufield’s softness.

I wouldnt put those 3 together as being soft. But fine. a First for Zegras and a 3rd for the dog

 

[rahad]

Calling it now, unless the Habs win the lottery they trade their top 10 pick for Zegras.

It would be Kent worse mistake. Zegras has drafted #9 overall. We are in a good position to draft a good young forward. No need to trade our first round pick for him.

 

[Adam Michaels]

You think Kaliyev can play in our top 6? Would they trade him for Allen?

I think he has certain tools that would make him a Top-6 here. He'd at worst be a Top-9. He would get PP time because with a shot like his, you can't not put him on the PP. In LA, he's on their 4th line, but he is on their PP.

He's got an elite shot and he's got size (6'2" and 209 lbs).

I look at him kind of like I do Newhook. In the sense that he is putting up a decent amount of goals and points for a player stuck down the line-up and not averaging a lot of minutes. But once he comes into a situation where he can play higher in the line-up and be more free, he will thrive.

Before Newhook got hurt, he was on pace for a 25-goal and 46-point season. Before that in Colorado, he was a 13-14 goal and 30 point player averaging between 13-14 minutes of TOI. Kaliyev has been a 13-14 goal and around a 30-point player averaging between 11-13 minutes of TOI.

 

[26Mats]

You think Kaliyev can play in our top 6? Would they trade him for Allen?

I think it would take a much better asset than Allen.

We had to give up a 1st and 2nd for Newhook. I think it would take at least a 1st when it comes to draft picks. But, we may be able to get him for a young d prospect.

 

[Pat Riot]

Colorado in win-now mode

Monahan, Savard, Allen 50% retained, Gallagher, Evans, Norlinder, Ylonen
for
Johansen, Girard, Lehkonen, 4th round pick, conditional 2nd pick, changes to 1st if St. Louis attains Conference Final

They get 4 guys to help them win, lose one guy who helps them and take on one bad contract. They also get two younger guys who may possibly replace players who left.

Habs get one good player, two bad contracts a mid-round pick and either a very late first or mid to later second.

7 players involve in the same trade. This is not serious come on

 

[salbutera]

I don’t think there’s much demand for kaliyev - the knock against him in juniors was when the going gets tough he disappears. No pace to his game, doesn’t like contact / engage physically, doesn’t like to go to dirty areas etc. and defensively very weak.

 

[26Mats]

Colorado in win-now mode

Monahan, Savard, Allen 50% retained, Gallagher, Evans, Norlinder, Ylonen
for
Johansen, Girard, Lehkonen, 4th round pick, conditional 2nd pick, changes to 1st if St. Louis attains Conference Final

They get 4 guys to help them win, lose one guy who helps them and take on one bad contract. They also get two younger guys who may possibly replace players who left.

Habs get one good player, two bad contracts a mid-round pick and either a very late first or mid to later second.

I don't see the Avalanche trading Lehkonen. I think they see him as a core piece.

Also, no one wants Gallagher. No one. Especially not a cap tight contender.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Have to think they'd want a piece like Guhle, Hutson, Reinbacher, Dach, Caufield, Suzuki, Slaf or our 2024 1st.

On the positive side, it shows we have at least 8 really good building blocks for the future.

I wonder how much they would value a package around Xhekaj and the 2025 Calgary 1st.

That Calgary 1st is close to an untouchable for me.

And I'd hate to trade Jackeye. Too much upside once his game rounds out and we're ready to contend. He'll be a playoff beast.

 

[26Mats]

That Calgary 1st is close to an untouchable for me.

I mean it's likely to be Florida's first in the 2025 draft, which looks like it will be in the 20s.

The only way it's not that is if Calgary gets the 11th to 15th pick in 2020-2025 or if both Florida and Calgary do really badly in 2024-2025 and it moves to 2026. I think both those scenarios are unlikely. I'd move the pick for Zegras.

 

[Schooner Guy]

I mean it's likely to be Florida's first in the 2025 draft, which looks like it will be in the 20s.

The only way it's not that is if Calgary gets the 11th to 15th pick in 2020-2025 or if both Florida and Calgary do really badly in 2024-2025 and it moves to 2026. I think both those scenarios are unlikely. I'd move the pick for Zegras.

Teams can get old quickly in the NHL. Florida barely made the playoffs last year. How much will Reinhart cost to keep and who goes if they do sign him? Bobrovsky could hit the skids next year. There a lot of young teams on the rise in the East that are 1-2 seasons away from breaking out. The Flames could also bottom out.

That pick's a potential lottery ticket.

 

[26Mats]

Teams can get old quickly in the NHL. Florida barely made the playoffs last year. How much will Reinhart cost to keep and who goes if they do sign him? Bobrovsky could hit the skids next year. There a lot of young teams on the rise in the East that are 1-2 seasons away from breaking out. The Flames could also bottom out.

That pick's a potential lottery ticket.

Yeah, and Anaheim probably won't want to gamble on trading Zegras for such an uncertainty anyways. I'm sure they could get a more certain asset for him anyways.

 

[BaseballCoach]

That Calgary 1st is close to an untouchable for me.

And I'd hate to trade Jackeye. Too much upside once his game rounds out and we're ready to contend. He'll be a playoff beast.

The "Calgary first" is likely to be the 2025 Florida selection late in the first round.

 

[LaP]

The "Calgary first" is likely to be the 2025 Florida selection late in the first round.

It can also be a 11th overall pick. Nobody will give you value for "could be". What you'll get for it is the value of a end of 1st round pick and if somehow Calgary draft 11th we'll look like complete fools. This pick is not being moved until it is resolved.

 

[Schooner Guy]

The "Calgary first" is likely to be the 2025 Florida selection late in the first round.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They made the playoffs by the skin of their teeth a year ago right after winning the President's Trophy. Things can go from high to low quickly in this era.

Also they have some key UFAs. Even if they sign Reinhart after his career year, something has to give somewhere else on the roster so they can afford him.

 

[Miller Time]

Apparently, he's available for next to nothing, as the Canucks want to clear cap space and he's on the book for one more year after this one at 5.5M.

Could be a player we could take a look at, Gurianov style. He doesn't really fit our age window. But at worst if we got him going, he could get us another 1st at next year's TDL.

Indeed

I think a Pearson : Kuzmenko deal, with the nucks adding a little something for the risk on the 5M cap hit next year, could make sense...

Two months to see if he can mesh with what we're doing, if so, great buy low talent upgrade. If not, hope we can flip him elsewhere in the summer w/o retaining.

 

[26Mats]

Indeed

I think a Pearson : Kuzmenko deal, with the nucks adding a little something for the risk on the 5M cap hit next year, could make sense...

Two months to see if he can mesh with what we're doing, if so, great buy low talent upgrade. If not, hope we can flip him elsewhere in the summer w/o retaining.

I'd want one of our vet forwards under contract next year going the other way.

I wonder if we'd have to retain 50% on Dvo or Armia to trade one of them for Kuzmenko. Basically, we give up a lot of cap space to see if the Kuzmenko experiment can work.

 

[Miller Time]

I'd want one of our vet forwards under contract next year going the other way.

I wonder if we'd have to retain 50% on Dvo or Armia to trade one of them for Kuzmenko. Basically, we give up a lot of cap space to see if the Kuzmenko experiment can work.

I think that's a tougher sell given their cap situation and EPs extension.

A Chi or Arizona might well just take a 4th or 5th with him for futures... And that's also where I'd look to offload him in the summer if he didn't pan out.

The appeal of bringing back a locker room favorite & solid/versatile vet like Pearson to help with their playoff depth is the only reason I think they'd take short term $ back vs moving him in a Beauvillier type deal

 

[BaseballCoach]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. They made the playoffs by the skin of their teeth a year ago right after winning the President's Trophy. Things can go from high to low quickly in this era.

Also they have some key UFAs. Even if they sign Reinhart after his career year, something has to give somewhere else on the roster so they can afford him.

Florida won the President's Trophy in 2022.

They went to the Cup Final in 2023.

They are near the top of the league in 2024.

Their only dip early last year was due to injuries.

 

[26Mats]

I think that's a tougher sell given their cap situation and EPs extension.

A Chi or Arizona might well just take a 4th or 5th with him for futures... And that's also where I'd look to offload him in the summer if he didn't pan out.

The appeal of bringing back a locker room favorite & solid/versatile vet like Pearson to help with their playoff depth is the only reason I think they'd take short term $ back vs moving him in a Beauvillier type deal

yes it makes sense.

If we add Kuzmenko, I'd like to shed Dvo or Armia, 50% retained, in another deal this summer. I already had hoped for spots in the top 12 for RHP, Ylonen, and Roy. And we already need two of Dvo, Armia, and Monahan not back next year to make that happen, let alone adding Kuzmenko.

 

[eklund the clown]

Calling it now, unless the Habs win the lottery they trade their top 10 pick for Zegras.

Will say it again.If Zegras was anything special why would he be available from a team that is rebuilding? And if anyone wanted to take a chance on him it certainly wouldn't be for a top 10 pick . Maybe a 2nd round pick and a grade B prospect

 

[malcb33]

I look at him kind of like I do Newhook. In the sense that he is putting up a decent amount of goals and points for a player stuck down the line-up and not averaging a lot of minutes. But once he comes into a situation where he can play higher in the line-up and be more free

I can see why you’d draw parallels to Newhook, and I agree there are some similarities in age, draft pedigree and usage.

I think the biggest difference between the two is Newhook has the hunger to get better, a solid work ethic and has a drive to win, which Hughes knew from representing him. If Kaliyev has that same drive, I could see him fitting in well as he certainly has the skills, but from what I’m reading and seeing from the player it’s not evident.

 

[1909]

Habs have to be cautious to not throw the baby with his bath's water. Any team needs good veteran players to surround the younger ones. IF Monahan wants to stay and sign a 4-5 years contract with MTL, they should keep him. They should also keep Savard for the rest of his contract. There is very few forwards at AHL or Junior level that can help that team next season. They all need time at AHL level. Same for D. It will be different for the 2025-26 season. Habs don't need more picks. They just have to draft better and or as best as they can.

 

[Redux91]

Sorry if this has been answered already but
Is there a Trade Freeze in effect at all during this break?

 

[sampollock]

Sorry if this has been answered already but
Is there a Trade Freeze in effect at all during this break?

no there is not.