HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[sampollock]

I feel th peg is a place that Sean could land. but that being said, peg's #1 pick is a high 2nd pick. So I would hope a prospect should be the deal that is made.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I feel th peg is a place that Sean could land. but that being said, peg's #1 pick is a high 2nd pick. So I would hope a prospect should be the deal that is made.

Jets have the Habs 2nd, so if he is worth a 1st and a 2nd, those 2 picks would be ideal.

A better situation would be the Habs 2nd and the Jets 2025 1st with protection

 

[Tuggy]

I find it so funny how contentious of a topic this is on the main trade board. So many posters do not want the Habs to get top value for Monahan. Like they are really upset about it

Hughes already got one 1st round pick for Monahan. People are going to lose their shit if he gets another.

 

[SwiftyHab]

of course we take it but aint no team offering a A level prospect for Savard and Monahan those kinda prospects rarely move but if they do its for a much better player

Habs in the playoffs would you trade Reinbacher for Monahan + Savard and im not even sure if David is considered an A prospect

for an A prospect, we'd have to throw in a B prospect and a high pick

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

for an A prospect, we'd have to throw in a B prospect and a high pick

imo they just dont get traded A level prospects are so valuable not only because of the potentiel but also the ELC contract

Could be wrong im trying to remember the last time one got traded btw i dont consider Cutter one

 

[LesCanadiens]

He would come to Winnipeg and instantly become your best powerplay producer, what are you on about bad fit? Your powerplay would run through Sean Monahan lol. This would upset you greatly.

He's an Avs fan that spends 10x more time in Monahan threads than he does on the the Avs board. That should tell you everything you want to know. Hint...may reside under a bridge.

 

[DAChampion]

IMO if the best offer for Monahan is a 2nd, keep him until the end of the season unless it's the Habs' second coming home.

Monahan has some value to the team over the last thirty games, by virtue of being better than Mitchell Stephens he improves the development environment for his linemates.

 

[SwiftyHab]

imo they just dont get traded A level prospects are so valuable not only because of the potentiel but also the ELC contract

Could be wrong im trying to remember the last time one got traded btw i dont consider Cutter one

We need a package. Got enough Bs. Maybe this is the time where we trade one of our young Ds also on an ELC.

 

[malcb33]

Could be, I am not familiar with Kings players. I was just crunching some numbers around the league looking for next Carter Verhaeghe. Kaliyev is similar, same size, good scorer in junior and buried on bottom lines in LA. Carter was buried on deep Tampa team. Good scorer in AHL. It usually takes bigger guys longer to find their game. Both fit that also.

All that may be true (and his upside) but the reason he’s not working in LA from what I understand is his work ethic and defensive awareness. Those two deficiencies don’t seem to be where the team is heading and will likely put him in Marty’s dog house.

He has a great shot and would likely help the power play. His onetimer is very good (just like Hoffman) but you have to put up with a disengaged player when he’s not in the offensive zone, which is the type of player the team has recently made moves to actively move away from.

He is young and has upside, and maybe a trade rattles him enough to change his game and mindset, but also could be just who he is it. If the acquisition cost is low, maybe it’s worth the risk.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Could be, I am not familiar with Kings players. I was just crunching some numbers around the league looking for next Carter Verhaeghe. Kaliyev is similar, same size, good scorer in junior and buried on bottom lines in LA. Carter was buried on deep Tampa team. Good scorer in AHL. It usually takes bigger guys longer to find their game. Both fit that also.

I wouldn't call Kaliyev similar at all, he's a poor skater.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Most fans (and management) of any team are not going to want to give up a first for Monahan. Of course they want the best deal possible. Conversely, Habs fans (and management) are not going to want to settle on what they take for Monahan. Hugo has shown a willingness to play hardball in the past, and I am certain that we will not pull the trigger unless a team, meets the terms we are putting in place. The question is, who blinks first. Maybe it will be us, but we also have the option of trying to resign him ourselves.

You can place whatever line in the sand you want for your team. Feel free. But, anyone disingenuously arguing Monahan's play/price point/age can get bent. An argument such as "Monahan is playing himself into a 1st rounder return, but I still wouldn't want my team to spend that" is fair and reasonable. But, the laughing emoji's by certain posters over in mainland, on posts be Habs fans saying late first or second, is cringey and nonsense.

Time will tell where this plays out.

This is the thing. But it's not JUST that they don't want to give up a high pick, etc. It's that they use terms like this player is "scraps" and has "big warts" (besides any perceived injury issues), and like you say, mocking any post that counters their very poor assessment of who Monahan is as a player in real terms.

Ultimately, an NHL pro scouting staff's assessment that will be relayed to a GM will give us the true market value. And regardless of whether he's a Hab or not, there are a lot of factors IMO that will make him a sought after player, barring injury. And from me it's not a homer comment. I've openly said the same about Lindholm. Another player with very similar metrics and variables.

 

[Runner77]

IMO if the best offer for Monahan is a 2nd, keep him until the end of the season unless it's the Habs' second coming home.

Monahan has some value to the team over the last thirty games, by virtue of being better than Mitchell Stephens he improves the development environment for his linemates.

I don’t know if there is a reliable correlation to be had but say contending teams are not even open to cough up a late 1st for Monahan, what are the odds that they’d be willing to commit to him as a UFA looking for a longer term deal?

There is always the appeal of a free asset, I suppose.

Which brings us back to your point about how the Habs should let him finish the season if the most they get offered is a 2nd (tantamount to a 3rd given how late it would be from a contending team).

And which might open the door to a more reasonable deal to be had by the Habs with him in the off season.

I still hold out hope though that one of the contending teams will offer more than a 2nd given the paucity of reliable centres on the market and 12-13 teams who as per LeBrun, consider themselves as having an equal opportunity to go far in the playoffs — one of them will want to seek an edge on the others and pay up.

 

[yianik]

Habs should be real careful in trading away young guys. I mean you can't give unlimited time because there are only so many roster spots and so much time before waivers, but be patient when we can.

There are so many guys on teams that 5-6-7 years after being drafted suddenly break out. I was looking at LA recently and Byfield, Kempe and Vilardi all took a while to get going. LA may have gone wrong moving Vilardi plus for PLD.

Same with that Casey Mittlestadt. Nothing for years and last season he started putting up points.

I know few guys pan out. Just saying give our guys as much of a chance as possible.

 

[SwiftyHab]

I don’t know if there is a reliable correlation to be had but say contending teams are not even open to cough up a late 1st for Monahan, what are the odds that they’d be willing to commit to him as a UFA looking for a longer term deal?

There is always the appeal of a free asset, I suppose.

Which brings us back to your point about how the Habs should let him finish the season if the most they get offered is a 2nd (tantamount to a 3rd given how late it would be from a contending team).

And which might open the door to a more reasonable deal to be had by the Habs with him in the off season.

I still hold out hope though that one of the contending teams will offer more than a 2nd given the paucity of reliable centres on the market and 12-13 teams who as per LeBrun, consider themselves as having an equal opportunity to go far in the playoffs — one of them will want to seek an edge on the others and pay up.

maybe winnipeg gives us back our 2nd which would be a really late 1st.

Here's my proposal to trade Savard @50% to the Leafs

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[Nico Cauzuki]

We need a package. Got enough Bs. Maybe this is the time where we trade one of our young Ds also on an ELC.

would love that we havent had an elite forward in forever its embarassing

Zegras could be available i know not everyone loves him bcuz hes soft and sucks defensively but offensively he has elite talent i guess it depends on the return the Ducks would want

 

[26Mats]

Is Kuzmenko any good? How did he score 39 goals last year?

 

[sampollock]

maybe winnipeg gives us back our 2nd which would be a really late 1st.

Here's my proposal to trade Savard @50% to the Leafs

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SASKATOON BLADE... cant see them doing this

 

[26Mats]

would love that we havent had an elite forward in forever its embarassing

Zegras could be available i know not everyone loves him bcuz hes soft and sucks defensively but offensively he has elite talent i guess it depends on the return the Ducks would want

Have to think they'd want a piece like Guhle, Hutson, Reinbacher, Dach, Caufield, Suzuki, Slaf or our 2024 1st.

On the positive side, it shows we have at least 8 really good building blocks for the future.

I wonder how much they would value a package around Xhekaj and the 2025 Calgary 1st.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Calling it now, unless the Habs win the lottery they trade their top 10 pick for Zegras.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Calling it now, unless the Habs win the lottery they trade their top 10 pick for Zegras.

I don’t see that happening. Like at all but I guess you never know.

 

[salbutera]

Calling it now, unless the Habs win the lottery they trade their top 10 pick for Zegras.

Assuming none of Demidov, Lidstrom, Eiserman are available….

Kent Johnson if pick is in 6-9 range, Zegras if pick is in 10-15 range

 

[SwiftyHab]

Calling it now, unless the Habs win the lottery they trade their top 10 pick for Zegras.

Witness.

 

[Miller Time]

Is Kuzmenko any good? How did he score 39 goals last year?

Perfect example of how big a factor context can be...

Coaching change + team focus change & he hasn't been able to adapt. Skill is obviously there, but he appears to be a very context dependent player to be successful

 

[TheBuriedHab]

I don’t see that happening. Like at all but I guess you never know.

Too much smoke from local media. St Louis coached him , Hughes is in love with the 2019 draft, they want to compete for playoffs next year. It all adds up.

They don't want to wait another 2-3 years for a prospect to develop. I don't even like Zegras but I can see how this all goes down

 

[McEsenpi]

I like Zegras really much. Guy is a competitor who raises his game when push comes to shove. He would be great in the PO. Plus he has dog in him. People saying he is soft arent watching him. He isnt Xhekaj but hes farrrr away from Suzuki/Drouin/Caufield’s softness.