HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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It feels disingenuous to call it a vendetta when from what we've seen on the topic its not one-sided.
It’s disingenuous to not call it a vendetta when in the same breath that Mercogliano is mentioning the bad blood between the organizations, he’s asserting that the Habs would be asking the Rangers to pay a premium to get a deal done for Monahan.

Why else would the Rangers have to pay a « premium »?
 
It’s disingenuous to not call it a vendetta when in the same breath that Mercogliano is mentioning the bad blood between the organizations, he’s asserting that the Habs would be asking the Rangers to pay a premium to get a deal done for Monahan.

Why else would the Rangers have to pay a « premium »?

He's also a Rangers insider and suggesting that the Rangers wouldn't even reach out.

I also wouldn't call asking for a "premium" as a vendetta, nor would I consider the alleged asking for a "premium" and the resulting premise that the Rangers would even reach out at first falling to that level. I'm not saying that there isn't a vendetta, but that's a tough bar.

Its frankly not even uncommon with Dolan-owned teams given how he likes to do business. The Knicks and Raptors literally completed the biggest trade this season and there's been bad blood between the two organizations for a decade and one organization brought civil proceedings on the other.
 
Thanks for the heads up.

It can be heard here, from about the 5:20
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Says Rangers are looking to Lindholm and Henrique as targets, as their 3rd line has been a black hole.

The bad blood between Gorton and NYR’s management is real and is what would cause the Rags to have to pay a premium to get a deal done — which will incite them to look elsewhere first. Friedman had said as much on HNIC’s intermission last Saturday, about how the two orgs hate each other.

This sounds really silly and petty and is uselessly depriving the Habs of a trading partner. Gorton’s vendetta is personal to him and for the benefit of management, he should be looking to bury the ax and not perpetuate artificial barriers that could impact the Habs’ operations.

From what I understand, Drury double crossed Gorton in order to get the GM job but Gorton has since landed on his feet and done well for himself. Perhaps Geoff should have a word, if in fact, what both of of these mainstream types are asserting, checks out.

The NYR power base has always & will always start & end w Dolan and he’s as erratic as they come
 
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He's also a Rangers insider and suggesting that the Rangers wouldn't even reach out.

I also wouldn't call asking for a "premium" as a vendetta, nor would I consider the alleged asking for a "premium" and the resulting premise that the Rangers would even reach out at first falling to that level. I'm not saying that there isn't a vendetta, but that's a tough bar.

Its frankly not even uncommon with Dolan-owned teams given how he likes to do business. The Knicks and Raptors literally completed the biggest trade this season and there's been bad blood between the two organizations for a decade and one organization brought civil proceedings on the other.
You’re entitled to call it what you like however, here is what Renaud Lavoie, who is not a Ranger insider, had to say about the situation between the Habs and Rangers only 2 days ago:

… je ne pense pas qu'il y a beaucoup de monde dans l'organisation des Canadiens présentement qui veulent aider les Rangers de New York.


Lavoie says that he doesn’t think that there are many individuals within the Habs’ organization currently, who want to help the Rangers.

Connecting the dots, that appears to me to say that a significant lot of individuals within Habs management is doing this in support of Gorton. I can’t recall there having been this kind of contentious relationship between the two teams prior to Gorton getting hired in Montreal.

From a pure fan standpoint, I’m hopeful for the ultimate best result in a Monahan deal and if that can be achieved with the Rangers, then there should be no non-transactional barriers to prevent it.

The bad blood and contentious climate (as raised by Friedman, Mercogliano and Lavoie within a short time of each other) is certainly not in either party’s best interests and one of them should be taking the high road and be putting an end to it.
 
First time I hear this Mercogliano guy ... says they will be "very aggressive" but he also says they won't give up a first round pick.

Lindholm and Monahan will not go for a 2nd (personal opinion). And henrique as well. I would expect a first + for all three.
If they won't give up a 1st then they will have to give up Kakko, Othmann or Perreault to get any useful player. I'd far rather give up a late 1st than any of those 3.
 
To Colorado: Monahan
To Montreal: Bowen Byrum



I would be all over Kakko and a 1st for Monahan. But I think we either have to add to it on our end or take back a capdump from the Rags (Barclay Goodrow?)

As a fan of both teams, if you trade Monahan to Colorado, you have to take back Johansen who have pretty similar assets but just unable to fix it the way Monahan did . Then you probably cannot ask for Ritchie and Gulyayev. Colorado also need a 2nd goalie with short terms.

I would like

Johansen
2024 1st
2026 2nd

vs

Monahan
Primeau
 
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As a fan of both teams, if you trade Monahan to Colorado, you have to take back Johansen who have pretty similar assets but just unable to fix it the way Monahan did . Then you probably cannot ask for Ritchie and Gulyayev. Colorado also need a 2nd goalie with short terms.

I would like

Johansen
2024 1st
2026 2nd

vs

Monahan
Primeau

Monahan alone may be worth a 1st and a 2nd. We'll see how the market shakes out.

at this point Johansen looks like a negative value cap dump. So I don't see us taking on his contract plus giving up Primeau. But, again, we'll see how the market shakes out.

defense is not what this team needs, scoring has to be the key to the deal

If we could actually get a player of Byram's caliber for Monahan, I do it, then turn turn around and flip a highly valued dman for a highly valued young forward.
 
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Kakko is crap though.
He could be. If they think so they may be willing to move him and it could make more sense than the 1st. And he could be injury prone. But he played all 82 last season and put up 40 pts and probably didn't play with good linemates all the time.
 
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As a fan of both teams, if you trade Monahan to Colorado, you have to take back Johansen who have pretty similar assets but just unable to fix it the way Monahan did . Then you probably cannot ask for Ritchie and Gulyayev. Colorado also need a 2nd goalie with short terms.

I would like

Johansen
2024 1st
2026 2nd

vs

Monahan
Primeau
I know we own the Avs 2nd this year but what about next year ? Idk about waiting 3 years for a 2nd round pick but i would take it dont think Primeau is worth much
 
As a fan of both teams, if you trade Monahan to Colorado, you have to take back Johansen who have pretty similar assets but just unable to fix it the way Monahan did . Then you probably cannot ask for Ritchie and Gulyayev. Colorado also need a 2nd goalie with short terms.

I would like

Johansen
2024 1st
2026 2nd

vs

Monahan
Primeau
Avs would have to take back Dvorak in this case, Johansen is a negative value.
 
I know we own the Avs 2nd this year but what about next year ? Idk about waiting 3 years for a 2nd round pick but i would take it dont think Primeau is worth much

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Avs would have to take back Dvorak in this case, Johansen is a negative value.

Not happening bro
 
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Vince Mercogliano was Marek show today said odds are slim Monahan goes to Rangers. Cites the issues between the front offices as reason. It would take huge overpayment for Rangers to get Monahan and Drury won't go there.

Thanks for the heads up.

It can be heard here, from about the 5:20
mark:

Says Rangers are looking to Lindholm and Henrique as targets, as their 3rd line has been a black hole.

The bad blood between Gorton and NYR’s management is real and is what would cause the Rags to have to pay a premium to get a deal done — which will incite them to look elsewhere first. Friedman had said as much on HNIC’s intermission last Saturday, about how the two orgs hate each other.

This sounds really silly and petty and is uselessly depriving the Habs of a trading partner. Gorton’s vendetta is personal to him and for the benefit of management, he should be looking to bury the ax and not perpetuate artificial barriers that could impact the Habs’ operations.

From what I understand, Drury double crossed Gorton in order to get the GM job but Gorton has since landed on his feet and done well for himself. Perhaps Geoff should have a word, if in fact, what both of of these mainstream types are asserting, checks out.


You’re entitled to call it what you like however, here is what Renaud Lavoie, who is not a Ranger insider, had to say about the situation between the Habs and Rangers only 2 days ago:

… je ne pense pas qu'il y a beaucoup de monde dans l'organisation des Canadiens présentement qui veulent aider les Rangers de New York.


Lavoie says that he doesn’t think that there are many individuals within the Habs’ organization currently, who want to help the Rangers.

Connecting the dots, that appears to me to say that a significant lot of individuals within Habs management is doing this in support of Gorton. I can’t recall there having been this kind of contentious relationship between the two teams prior to Gorton getting hired in Montreal.

From a pure fan standpoint, I’m hopeful for the ultimate best result in a Monahan deal and if that can be achieved with the Rangers, then there should be no non-transactional barriers to prevent it.

The bad blood and contentious climate (as raised by Friedman, Mercogliano and Lavoie within a short time of each other) is certainly not in either party’s best interests and one of them should be taking the high road and be putting an end to it.
Hughes can do the negotiations. Bergevin had some enemy GMs and would get Mellanby to talk to those teams. Burkie used to get Nonis to talk to organizations he had fallings out with.

I don't see the Habs turning down a trade that would benefit them just because of an ugly divorce that Gorton had 3 years ago. Dolan's a complete nut job though and I could see him being that way.
 
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Yeah, getting back a roster player is not realistic, unless that player is a cap dump.

But i don't agree about the return. You're talking about a very late 2nd here from a contender. That's almost a 3rd, so very low value. Not worth it, even if you add a late 3rd.
Maybe our early 2nd + another late 2nd from the Jets would make sense, but most contenders don't have an early 2nd. The closest thing is a late 1st.

With 32 teams now, late 1sts are not that valuable anymore.

Good point; late 1st round picks seem to be vastly overrated on HFB; the Monahan thread on the Main Board is quite illuminating in that regard!

As for potentially available/interesting 2nd round picks to seek around TDL, besides the Jets owning the Habs’ pick (circa #39), the only other two teams who, for now at least, own a extra 2nd within the projected top-50 picks are the Coyotes (Capitals’ pick, circa #46) and the Hurricanes (Flyers’s pick, circa #49).

As for Winnipeg specifically, fetching the Habs’ own 2nd would have the added benefit of gaining back the flexibility for offer sheeting next offseason, even if it’s not a likely scenario, but we never know!
 
Good point; late 1st round picks seem to be vastly overrated on HFB; the Monahan thread on the Main Board is quite illuminating in that regard!

or maybe not enough, fanbases would tell you that 2023 late pick #22-23-24-26-27-28-29-30-31 are now seen has untouchable now.
 
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As a fan of both teams, if you trade Monahan to Colorado, you have to take back Johansen who have pretty similar assets but just unable to fix it the way Monahan did . Then you probably cannot ask for Ritchie and Gulyayev. Colorado also need a 2nd goalie with short terms.

I would like

Johansen
2024 1st
2026 2nd

vs

Monahan
Primeau
Are you sure you're fan of both teams? Equally? ;)

Montreal is getting the short end of the stick here.
They would basically take on Johansen for free.

Replace Primeau for Allen and it makes more sense.
The Avs are contenders and need a more proven back-up anyway.

They can find a 3rd team to take 50% of Monahan's salary to make the cap work.
 
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Rumors say Drury is still mad that Gorton wore the same color tie as him at the last GM meeting even tho he SPECIFICALLY texted him prior to the event to make sure he was not intending to wear the same striped chartreuse over midnight blue tie which he had picked out, what some believe may have been WEEKS in advance.

Of course by now we all know that Gorton DID however show up wearing the same stunning chartreuse over midnight blue design despite reports suggesting he would opt for the sunrise polkadot salmon and stating "CHARTREUSE HAS NO OWNER CHRIS!"

Sources close to the matter say Drury is just NOT ready to move on from this disappointing incident between the two.
 
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Before reading that trade proposal, read the health advice, anyone with hearth problem should take his pressure pill.

To L.A. Kings : Allen, Harris and Gallagher
To Habs Canadiens : PLD

I want to apologize if I caused any physical harm or cause any dammage to the computer, screen or furniture.

Feel free to comment or avoid comment.
Take out Harris from our end, and have the Kings add some significant picks/prospects. Habs are taking on an awful contract, maybe the worst in the league value wise, and if they want us to take it on, they’re going to have to pay.
 
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