HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Boss Man Hughes]

Ya it's going to take a massive overpayment for any of those guys


Pretty f***ed up thing to say no?

I was not being serious. The point is he goes to the dressing room every game and is back in minutes. Now if this is concussion related like Chytil he should have retired by now.

 

[BLONG7]

I think Habs be playoff team by '25-26 season. That be year 5 of the rebuild. This is year 3. They had some pieces in place to start. Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, etc... Slaf looks like real deal, young defense be maturing by then. We should get a decent pick in this draft. We will have two picks in '25 draft.

Fairly soon............some of that draft capital is going to be used, for some offence.....I don't expect us to keep all draft picks we acquire....on top of what we already have.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't get why people always talk about years before they are a contender instead of players.
They have holes in the roster to fill. We don't know how many years it will take to do it.
They could do 3-4 trades between now and next season and fill most of them. Not saying it will happen, but you never know.

The BOLDED phrase is a very good insight into building a roster.

I think a championship roster needs 11 strong players, maybe 10 if there is a superstar on the team., but we don't have one of those

The 11 are probably:
4 Top 3 forwards,
3 more top 6 forwards, one of whom anchors the 3rd line
3 top pair Ds; and
1 above .910 starting goalie.

Here is where I think the Habs are today:

Strong players now

Suzuki​

Caufield​

Dach​

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75% likelihood of becoming a top 11 player

Slafkovsky​

Guhle​

Matheson (75% chance he remains at least a #2 D)​

2024 First round pick probably Top 8​

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50/50 possibility of becoming a top 11 player

Reinbacher​

Newhook​

Monahan (50% chance he remains at least a Top-6 F)​

Montembeault or Fowler​

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25% possibility of becoming a top 11 player

Mesar​

Hutson​

Mailloux​

one of the 2025 First round picks (25% chance he is a top-11 player in next 3 seasons)​

Based on likelihood, we stand to have have about 9 strong players in 2-3 years, but it could be one or two less or more.

To improve our odds, we need a better than 50% chance at a starting goalie, another top-3 forward, and another top-2 D. These are the needs we should be shopping for.

From a cap management perspective, we have a large contingent of players vying for bottom 9 (plus 3 spares) roles who do/will not cost much.

Roy​

Farrell​

Heineman​

Beck​

RHP​

Pezzetta​

Ylonen​

Condotta​

Struble​

Xhekaj​

Barron​

Kovacevic​

Primeau​

plus.....a couple of guys falling short of top-11 but not busts, especially one of the Gs​

That should be enough to fill our needs, so all support players with expensive contracts should be moved:

to acquire more darts.​

to have the money to pay the stars, and​

to enable the roster strength to be sustainable​

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Therefore we should be ready to move, dump, or lose somehow most of these guys:

Pearson and Wideman (gone after this season)​

Anderson​

Dvorak​

Evans (borderline, perhaps keep if he re-signs cheap)​

Armia​

Savard​

Harris (unless he takes a jump forward)​

Allen​

Gallagher (very hard case unless he retires)​

 

[salbutera]

He's getting blasted by his coach and even his teammates now.
Not sure that must feel very good.

PLD sees them for what couple of hrs 3-4 times per week?

I’d feel perfectly fine being blasted for a few hrs a week then heading to Manhattan beach - as Stamkos said about being in the beach in TBay “no one knows who I am”

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[skidcells]

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Alex Newhook or Kirby Dach?

 

[neil2005]

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I wonder if Alexander Holtz from New Jersey is the player that was offered. A former first round pick, still very young and might not have top line potential but probably a top 6 forward that New Jersey doesn't seem too high on anymore

 

[EveryDay]

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I would guess Morgan Frost... No thanks!

 

[HomaridII]

Anyway we can pry McGroarty from the jets?

 

[General Fanager]

I don't get why people always talk about years before they are a contender instead of players.
They have holes in the roster to fill. We don't know how many years it will take to do it.
They could do 3-4 trades between now and next season and fill most of them. Not saying it will happen, but you never know.

I suppose that's true but I doubt it. They have been staying the course and I don't see why they would change now.

All that being said they would be much better if they can get the brutal injuries under control....so who knows.

Maybe they are nearly a bubble team now

 

[HuGo Sham]

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gotta love pagnotta. I've highlighted the important words here. lol

Teams have not only called the Montreal Canadiens about rugged defenceman Arber Xhekaj, but some have also pitched offers. In fact, word is the Habs received an offer for a young NHL forward, a former first-round pick, with second-line potential. Montreal declined.

31 teams want this player. What they offer is another matter. The interest alone should signal to HuGo to keep this kid until they figure out what they have. There are plenty of other dmen to move + picks to procure that young forward. I'm pretty sure they're all calling about Mailloux too.

 

[habbubba]

gotta love pagnotta. I've highlighted the important words here. lol

Teams have not only called the Montreal Canadiens about rugged defenceman Arber Xhekaj, but some have also pitched offers. In fact, word is the Habs received an offer for a young NHL forward, a former first-round pick, with second-line potential. Montreal declined.

31 teams want this player. What they offer is another matter. The interest alone should signal to HuGo to keep this kid until they figure out what they have. There are plenty of other dmen to move + picks to procure that young forward. I'm pretty sure they're all calling about Mailloux too.

The impression I get from management is they are asking for the sun and the moon for any player, just want too much that is not reasonable.

 

[Miller Time]

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Therefore we should be ready to move, dump, or lose somehow most of these guys:

Pearson and Wideman (gone after this season)​

Anderson​

Dvorak​

Evans (borderline, perhaps keep if he re-signs cheap)​

Armia​

Savard​

Harris (unless he takes a jump forward)​

Allen​

Gallagher (very hard case unless he retires)​

Not sure I agree with this last part...
The issue with that list is the cap cost (in total).
Harris, Evans, Savard I would leave out. Those 3 @ <7M$ is fine value and would fit in any contending roster.

Gally, Dvo, Anderson, Allen & Armia @ ~24M is the issue, but also why moving them is a challenge... One offset by the quality work we've done to integrate cheap young talent (Dach, Newhook, Guhle, Slaf, Strubble, Monty). So while great if we can swap them out for cheaper lateral pieces, if we can't, our cap situation still provides the flex to upgrade the roster now... And they are all serviceable roster players (@1/2 the cap hit, they'd even be quality vet depth)

As it is, Imo, the roster is only 1-2 pieces away from being a playoff favorite/lock next year.

1 quality top 6 fwd & 1 quality vet (middle 6 or 2-3D), and league average injury issues, and we're starting our playoff window.

CC Suzuki ??
Slaf Dach Newhook
Anderson Dvorak Gally/RHP
Armia Evans Gally/RHP

(Roy/Ylonen/Pez/Heineman/Farrell/Beck)

Guhle - ??
Matheson Savard
Strubble Kovacevic

(Barron/Harris/X/Hutson/Mailloux/RB)

Monty
Allen/Primeau

Put a Stamkos/Zegras up front, and a vet like Tanev or Roy to bolster the D, and we're getting at least a WC spot next year barring massive injury woes.

UFAs like Tanev/Stamkos would be ideal... We keep all our futures/picks and then have some nice trade chips to put in play in - season to address any injury setbacks or emergent roster gaps.

From there, just a matter of if & how quickly we see 1-2 young players push into top tier/elite status (CC? Dach? Suzuki? Slaf? 1 of the D prospects?), or we add an elite player to the mix.... Then we'll be contending. Book it

 

[The Great Weal]

Anyway we can pry McGroarty from the jets?

Of course not unless they add to him and we give up Dach.

 

[DAChampion]

The impression I get from management is they are asking for the sun and the moon for any player, just want too much that is not reasonable.

Ok, Hughes should trade Harris for a 4th and Allen with 50% retention for a 7th.

To not be greedy.

Of course not unless they add to him and we give up Dach.

Any pseudo-contender that doesn't want to pay a price to acquire the pieces to compete should be allowed to fail.

Here comes another second round exit for Winnipeg.

 

[McGees]

This is how Jets value prospects apparently - says McGroarty is basically untouchable...
Salomonsson too...
Probably Lambert too...
Barlow MAYBE available for monster price...

Their fans MAY be willing to offer a 7th for Monahan tho...

 

[Draft]

This is how Jets value prospects apparently - says McGroarty is basically untouchable...
Salomonsson too...
Probably Lambert too...
Barlow MAYBE available for monster price...

Their fans MAY be willing to offer a 7th for Monahan tho...

They can't attract free agents and have trouble holding onto players long term - the reality of being in Winnipeg. It makes sense why they would hold on to their prospects.

 

[salbutera]

This is how Jets value prospects apparently - says McGroarty is basically untouchable...
Salomonsson too...
Probably Lambert too...
Barlow MAYBE available for monster price...

Their fans MAY be willing to offer a 7th for Monahan tho...

As I said yesterday, Jets are the Expos of the NHL, only B- prospects and lower MIGHT be available - they simply can’t afford it given they are the least desirable market for players except mid-Western US types. Which brings us to the second point…

Jets have a clear strategy of maintaining minimum 35-40% Northern US mid-Western makeup of their roster (Minny, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Nebraska), and have done so from in house prospects and trade acquisitions.

Nebraska boy McGroarty is absolutely untouchable

I wonder if Jets try & “go for it” by going after Nebraska boy Guentzel, should Pens make him available..

 

[SlyIslands]

gotta love pagnotta. I've highlighted the important words here. lol

Teams have not only called the Montreal Canadiens about rugged defenceman Arber Xhekaj, but some have also pitched offers. In fact, word is the Habs received an offer for a young NHL forward, a former first-round pick, with second-line potential. Montreal declined.

31 teams want this player. What they offer is another matter. The interest alone should signal to HuGo to keep this kid until they figure out what they have. There are plenty of other dmen to move + picks to procure that young forward. I'm pretty sure they're all calling about Mailloux too.

That's just the other team speaking or Pagnotta click-baiting, oh you offered Ryan Suzuki, ok I will write 2nd line potential first round pick

 

[Nicko999]

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I call this BS. No way Hughes would have declined that since he loves reclamation projects (Dach, Newhook).

 

[crazyd74]

I would take a look at Laine
Liked him since draft Day
25 years old

A line of: Roy - Dach - Laine

 

[Runner77]

This is how Jets value prospects apparently - says McGroarty is basically untouchable...
Salomonsson too...
Probably Lambert too...
Barlow MAYBE available for monster price...

Their fans MAY be willing to offer a 7th for Monahan tho...

Good thing fans don’t decide anything otherwise no prospects or picks would ever change hands and the trading deadline would be replaced by a posturing, taunting and gloating deadline.

 

[HuGort]

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Who was it though? Kind of vague.

 

[yianik]

As I said yesterday, Jets are the Expos of the NHL, only B- prospects and lower MIGHT be available - they simply can’t afford it given they are the least desirable market for players except mid-Western US types. Which brings us to the second point…

Jets have a clear strategy of maintaining minimum 35-40% Northern US mid-Western makeup of their roster (Minny, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Nebraska), and have done so from in house prospects and trade acquisitions.

Nebraska boy McGroarty is absolutely untouchable

I wonder if Jets try & “go for it” by going after Nebraska boy Guentzel, should Pens make him available..

Fine, but if they want to keep their shiny nickels the shiny toy stays put.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I call this BS. No way Hughes would have declined that since he loves reclamation projects (Dach, Newhook).

It depends who it is. Who is rating the forward. Might be some forward thats really a 3rd liner at best. while Dach and Newhook may not end up on a 1st line they have 1st line talent. And that's what it would take to get Xhekaj.