HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[salbutera]

It feels like Seravelli and NHL network got paid to do some PR for the Habs, and I ain't mad at it

Why? A late 1st round pick has a low probability of ever becoming an NHLer

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Philly passes.

They don't care to make the playoffs behind closed doors.

LA retained 2 million and traded a 2nd + Sean Walker + Helge Grans last summer just to dump Petersen. At 5mil value pure cap dump his negative value is probably close to a late 1st, D-Lo is also done as a player and has a 2 more years left after this when everyone else has 1. It's a trade of 2 dumps for 2 players who can play

 

[HuGort]

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That's from the NHL Network.

Habs say yes a billion times.

Sounds alright

 

[Mrb1p]

Hum, it's a 1st, a nobody and a LD? I say pass... We have enough experiments with Barron, I bet we could just swap Jones for him.

Edit: Oh and Jones is UFA, now that's a serious pass. We can get better.

Kovalenko isn't a nobody, he's one of the best player outside the NHL. He's pretty much a plug and play top 9er when he comes over, probably for the POs. I doubt Colorado moves him, as he's cheap.

I wonder what kind of hockey trade can arranged for Carey Mittelstadt. What does Buffalo need? Seems like they need offense as well, which is weird that Mittelstadt's name is out there.

They need Mittlestatd, lol. They do need RD's though, probably more than anything. They really need someone to stabilize Powers 2nd pairing on the RD. We don't have anything for them, i think.

Why? A late 1st round pick has a low probability of ever becoming an NHLer

I mean, what else are you gonna be looking for ? Thats a very good package. Not sure what you're expecting out of Monahan but he's a injury prone PP specialist who's not that good even on the PP.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Kovalenko isn't a nobody, he's one of the best player outside the NHL. He's pretty much a plug and play top 9er when he comes over, probably for the POs. I doubt Colorado moves him, as he's cheap.

They need Mittlestatd, lol. They do need RD's though, probably more than anything. They really need someone to stabilize Powers 2nd pairing on the RD. We don't have anything for them, i think.

I mean, what else are you gonna be looking for ? Thats a very good package. Not sure what you're expecting out of Monahan but he's a injury prone PP specialist who's not that good even on the PP.

Is Kovalenko coming over? And I believe he can't just join a team for the playoffs.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

LA retained 2 million and traded a 2nd + Sean Walker + Helge Grans last summer just to dump Petersen. At 5mil value pure cap dump his negative value is probably close to a late 1st, D-Lo is also done as a player and has a 2 more years left after this when everyone else has 1. It's a trade of 2 dumps for 2 players who can play

No doubt, but Philly isn't in a win now mode, so they're not going to pay to get rid of a contract, at least not a 1st.

All that trade does is take a 1st away from them and potentially cause their 1st to remain higher than where they would like

 

[salbutera]

I mean, what else are you gonna be looking for ? Thats a very good package. Not sure what you're expecting out of Monahan but he's an injury prone PP specialist who's not that good even on the PP.

Need to find ways to bundle desired Habs assets like Monahan + picks/prospects for NHL ready talent

Does Monahan + Anderson + 2024 1st / prospect net a Dawson Mercer + Holz from NJD?

Does Monahan + Savard + retention + prospect net Samsonov + Knies from Make Beliefs?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

No doubt, but Philly isn't in a win now mode, so they're not going to pay to get rid of a contract, at least not a 1st.

All that trade does is take a 1st away from them and potentially cause their 1st to remain higher than where they would like

They wouldn't have hired Torterella if they weren't trying to win. They are in a playoff spot. They may not go big but they should be trying to add.

Need to find ways to bundle desired Habs assets like Monahan + picks/prospects for NHL ready talent

Does Monahan + Anderson + 2024 1st / prospect net a Dawson Mercer + Holz from NJD?

Does Monahan + Savard + retention + prospect net Samsonov + Knies?

NJ doesn't do the 1st. Habs don't do the 2nd (what do they do with 4 goaltenders?)

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

No doubt, but Philly isn't in a win now mode, so they're not going to pay to get rid of a contract, at least not a 1st.

All that trade does is take a 1st away from them and potentially cause their 1st to remain higher than where they would like

Check the standings Philly is 4th in the East, Torts don't Tank

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

They wouldn't have hired Torterella if they weren't trying to win. They are in a playoff spot. They may not go big but they should be trying to add.


NJ doesn't do the 1st. Habs don't do the 2nd (what do they do with 4 goaltenders?)

Check the standings Philly is 4th in the East, Torts don't Tank

I'm not saying he's tanking, I'm saying behind closed doors the flyers management is likely fine with slipping down the standings should it happen.

Samuel Errson has been good for them, too I believe.

 

[LaP]

Why? A late 1st round pick has a low probability of ever becoming an NHLer

That's actually not true. The probability of a late first to become a NHLer is about 30-40% something like that. The probability to become elite is indeed low. If you consider 30-40% a low probability i think you have to revise your definition of low. If you have 3 late 1st just by picking randomly you should end up with a 3rd line NHLer. Boston did badly in 2015 but still ended up with Debrusk who is a potent 2nd line winger.

Late first in 2010 (20 to 30)

Hayes, Kuznetsov, Coyle, Brock Nelson

Late first in 2011 (20 to 30)

Rakell, Namestnikov, Danault, Noesen

Late first in 2012 (20 to 30)

Matheson, Pearson, Skjei, Maatta, Scott Laughton

Late first in 2013 (20 to 30)

Hartman, Shea Theodore, Burakovsky, Mantha

 

[LaP]

I'm not saying he's tanking, I'm saying behind closed doors the flyers management is likely fine with slipping down the standings should it happen.

Samuel Errson has been good for them, too I believe.

Yes but their number 3 has been terribad (very small sample size). They'll need a 2nd goalie to work with Ersson unless the numbers 3 does better moving forward.

 

[morhilane]

I wonder what kind of hockey trade can arranged for Carey Mittelstadt. What does Buffalo need? Seems like they need offense as well, which is weird that Mittelstadt's name is out there.

Mittelstadt name is trading because someone in here started to talk about him in a trade. The NHL Rumors mills is 110% filled by HF Boards when insiders have no inside information.

Buffalo has zero reasons to trade Mittelstadt...unless there is something we don't know (off-ice issues, asking for a crazy extension, etc).

 

[salbutera]

They wouldn't have hired Torterella if they weren't trying to win. They are in a playoff spot. They may not go big but they should be trying to add.


NJ doesn't do the 1st. Habs don't do the 2nd (what do they do with 4 goaltenders?)

It’s to make cap hit work…

 

[sampollock]

Dont think the Habs would do this, Kovalenko is basically a top 9 winger for 800k for the POs.

dont think strong enough prospects

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Yes but their number 3 has been terribad (very small sample size). They'll need a 2nd goalie to work with Ersson unless the numbers 3 does better moving forward.

True, but Allen has another year.

If we take that there's a slight possibility Hart will be back sooner rather than later thar creates a problem.

If he isn't, then maybe the flyers have their eye on Allen.

Do the flyers get any cap relief with Hart stepping away until he's back, if possible ?

 

[Mrb1p]

Need to find ways to bundle desired Habs assets like Monahan + picks/prospects for NHL ready talent

Does Monahan + Anderson + 2024 1st / prospect net a Dawson Mercer + Holz from NJD?

Does Monahan + Savard + retention + prospect net Samsonov + Knies from Make Beliefs?

No. Teams that need Monahan need their cheap assets. Theres no way they would do this.

 

[salbutera]

That's actually not true. The probability of a late first to become a NHLer is about 30-40% something like that. The probability to become elite is indeed low. If you consider 30-40% a low probability i think you have to revise your definition of low. If you have 3 late 1st just by picking randomly you should end up with a 3rd line NHLer. Boston did badly in 2015 but still ended up with Debrusk who is a potent 2nd line winger.

Late first in 2010 (20 to 30)

Hayes, Kuznetsov, Coyle, Brock Nelson

Late first in 2011 (20 to 30)

Rakell, Namestnikov, Danault, Noesen

Late first in 2012 (20 to 30)

Matheson, Pearson, Skjei, Maatta, Scott Laughton

Late first in 2013 (20 to 30)

Hartman, Shea Theodore, Burakovsky, Mantha

The 1st rounder Habs receive will be in 26-32 range. Very low probability they will find a future NHL 5-year career + regular

How does Habs drafting of players in the bottom tier of 1st round look like over last 50-years?

 

[LaP]

True, but Allen has another year.

If we take that there's a slight possibility Hart will be back sooner rather than later thar creates a problem.

If he isn't, then maybe the flyers have their eye on Allen.

Do the flyers get any cap relief with Hart stepping away until he's back, if possible ?

Well there's three options.

1. He's not charged with anything and he'll be back soon.
2. He's charged but found not guilty in which case he'll not be back soon and i'm not sure about his contract status.
3. He's charged and found guilty in which case the Flyers will surely be able to void his contract but it wont happen another year or two.

I'm not sure what happens with his contract between an eventual time where he would be charged and the time of his verdict. Innocent until proven otherwise so not sure Flyers can end the contract i guess they can put him on some sort of LTIR?

 

[salbutera]

No. Teams that need Monahan need their cheap assets. Theres no way they would do this.

There will always be a GM who’s under pressure from ownership to win at all costs - it’s a question of whether the asset(s) Habs offer is meets said team needs

I expect Leafs & NYR will go all in

 

[LaP]

The 1st rounder Habs receive will be in 26-32 range. Very low probability they will find a future NHL 5-year career + regular

How does Habs drafting of players in the bottom tier of 1st round look like over last 50-years?

Couple of the guys i have listen were in that range. Until rank 40-45 the probability to get a NHLer remains very good. It's been this way for a looonggggg while and that's why i've been saying for a while that people around here undervalue top 2nd round pick they are often as good as late first round picks. Many very good players were drafted in that range including Subban, Bergeron, Weber, ....

 

[McGees]

All scouts that came to see Habs last night have rescinded their offers and changed their phone numbers.

 

[sampollock]

There will always be a GM who’s under pressure from ownership to win at all costs - it’s a question of whether the asset(s) Habs offer is meets said team needs

I expect Leafs & NYR will go all in

still think Van is a team that could come calling for Sean or the peg
my 2 choices for movement

 

[Mrb1p]

There will always be a GM who’s under pressure from ownership to win at all costs - it’s a question of whether the asset(s) Habs offer is meets said team needs

I expect Leafs & NYR will go all in

They would give non roster players, not roster players. Can you cite one example of a contender moving a top 9 player for an older top 9er? Thats not contract related, at least.

still think Van is a team that could come calling for Sean or the peg
my 2 choices for movement

Lekkerimaki, Brzustewicz, Lucius or Lambert. Nashville and Colorado also.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Any intradivision trade would have to cost a little extra if I'm the GM, a pretty big extra if it's to the leafs. I suspect Monahan will probably end up going west anyway.