HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[vokiel]

So... If we keep Allen, we're looking at returns for Primeau? Anything of importance we can get? Reclamation projects or a late first rounder.

 

[IndigoJeans]

What top 4 Dman that plays over 20 min per game goes for a 5th?
I'll be here abusing substances until you can tell me....

He also went for 1st and 3rd 3 years ago averaging less ice time and ppg.

A top D man on a bad team, he was 6 or 7 with Tampa and he was 4 years younger. The gm who gave a 1rst and a 3rd lost his job and is frenquently quoted as a very bad gm.

Giving a 1rst for a meh D who is 34 and the 2 remaining years of his contract, sorry but it doesn't happen in real life. If you're optimistic enough to beleive it could happen, good for you, you see things with the colored glasses of a fan.

 

[JRichard]

"More likely a 1rst rd pick than a 5th", lol, you abuse substances more than the two guys on my avatar.

Habs have a ton of 1rst, second and third rounders in the next 2 years. Adding another let's say a 3rd will give what? Habs will have time and energy to developp a ton of draft picks, correctly? What they need is another Dach or Newhook. If Savard can help bring that kind of player, fine, but he'doesn't have enough value. You don't think he have such value if you're honest and you think a gm will not know what you know?

This a typical case where the player were we have have more value for us than for others. I think Matheson have more value for other teams (he's younger) but mostly Monahan and Armia. We have tons of good ds coming, a d like Harris could be attractive in a trade, in a combo trade including other players.

A ton… 1 extra 1st, 1 extra 2nd, both in 25. Chi has 5. Ariz 5. Phi 4.

 

[morhilane]

It’s the recency bias with Monaghan’s multitude of injuries, though he looks like he’s full recovered from them and prospering. Imagine if he had better linemates and played on a better team, he’d have 10-15 more points at this point.

Monahan also wouldn't have to work as hard on a better team with better linemates than Gally/Pearson/Anderson.

He's lucky to have Roy right now and seems to be enjoying babysitting him.

 

[26Mats]

Lindholm

Good point.

But to me this year with Monahan reminds me of the Chiarot year. There may have been one or two bette dmen available (Lindholm?), though I'm not sure there were any better right shot dmen.

At any rate, I think Monahan gets us a 1st. There are many more than 1 team looking for a center. So once the Lindholm domino falls, there will be a bidding war for Monahan. Knowing Hughes' negotiation skills, I bet he gets a deal similar to the Toffoli and Lehkonen trades, which was a better return than the Chiarot trade. A deferred 1st would be awesome though. That Florida 1st was almost a lottery pick.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Good point.

But to me this year with Monahan reminds me of the Chiarot year. There may have been one or two bette dmen available (Lindholm?), though I'm not sure there were any better right shot dmen.

At any rate, I think Monahan gets us a 1st. There are many more than 1 team looking for a center. So once the Lindholm domino falls, there will be a bidding war for Monahan. Knowing Hughes' negotiation skills, I bet he gets a deal similar to the Toffoli and Lehkonen trades, which was a better return than the Chiarot trade. A deferred 1st would be awesome though. That Florida 1st was almost a lottery pick.

I think Hughes might have to do something.. like whether its adding Kovacevic, but then they'll kick in a prospect or a 3rd.

Or taking back an expiring deal that allows that team to go and get someone else.

 

[vokiel]

Good point.

But to me this year with Monahan reminds me of the Chiarot year. There may have been one or two bette dmen available (Lindholm?), though I'm not sure there were any better right shot dmen.

At any rate, I think Monahan gets us a 1st. There are many more than 1 team looking for a center. So once the Lindholm domino falls, there will be a bidding war for Monahan. Knowing Hughes' negotiation skills, I bet he gets a deal similar to the Toffoli and Lehkonen trades, which was a better return than the Chiarot trade. A deferred 1st would be awesome though. That Florida 1st was almost a lottery pick.

There's going to be Wennberg available as well. I don't think the Kraken is making the playoffs and he's not a bad addition, just like Monahan.

 

[hoc123]

I think Hughes might have to do something.. like whether its adding Kovacevic, but then they'll kick in a prospect or a 3rd.

Or taking back an expiring deal that allows that team to go and get someone else.

Not an expiring contract, but I really think something around Monahan + Allen (50% retained) to Colorado for Johansen + Calum Ritchie/1st would make a lot of sense for both teams.

 

[WinterLion]

You get out of Anderson contract who is longer than Kuzmenko. It would make a ton of sense from a cap perspective, and in no way would the Canucks do this.

I really doubt that the management sees the Anderson contract in the same way as fans do. I don't see Hughes trading Andy simply to get rid of the contract...

 

[DAChampion]

Elias Lindholm has long been just a little ahead of Sean Monahan.

 

[HuGort]

If we can get a 3rd round or 4th round pick for Primeau, I'd be ok with that. He was a 7th round draft pick. He has a really cheap contract, and is signed for another year, so that's valuable. He has a .900 save percentage. Allen .901. That puts both in top 40, which is backup territory.

Allen is harder to trade due to the contract, and we have the cap space for him.

We have $7m in cap space next season without Price on LTIR and with Petry's retained salary, and only Barron & Ylonen to sign. Ylonen probably gets Pezzetta money around $820,000 if they even qualify him.

Barron below Harris maybe $1m. That gives us $5.18m to get to salary max, which we need to do to maximize Price's LTIR. If we resign Monahan, he isn't getting that much.

Take an offer for Hughes to trade Allen. But if it comes about he has to weight the pluses and minuses

 

[Revansky]

I really doubt that the management sees the Anderson contract in the same way as fans do. I don't see Hughes trading Andy simply to get rid of the contract...

Yeah I understand that and maybe some GMs value Anderson game more than I do. Maybe he is a great leader in the room and they find that valuable. From my point of view, I don't think his intangibles offset his so-so defensive game and inconsistent offensive production at the price tag. Normally players don't get better in their 30s and Anderson is 29.

I can see a rationale where we traded him for a player in need of a change of scenery so we have more cap space for the upcoming years. Kuzmenko is in a lull, but still produce more offence than Anderson, and maybe he gets back a better offensive production with another team (he produced 76 points just last year). But it's a moot point as Canucks wouldn't do that.

 

[neopreneur]

Elias Lindholm has long been just a little ahead of Sean Monahan.

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Except for career high in points: both 82pts
Although Money did it in less games

Monahan > Lindholm confirmed ??

 

[Adam Michaels]

I could be late to this, but I just saw that Friedman mentioned days ago that maybe LA could use Kaliyev in a trade.

I don't watch Kings games so I don't know how he looks out there. I do know he's on their 4th line because he's behind some more experienced and productive wingers and LA is a team that wants to go for it.

He's hovered around the 15-goal and 30-points mark in his last two seasons where he averaged less than 13 minutes 2 years ago and less than 12 minutes last year. Not bad production for a guy who doesn't get much playing time.

He's 22 and is 6'2" and 209 lbs.

He could be a Newhook type of deal where you get a young forward who is down the other team's depth chart, but once you bring him here and give him more of an opportunity, he could shine.

Newhook was also hovering around 15 goals and 30 points in Colorado. But here, before he fell to injury, he was on pace for 25 goals and 46 points.


Also, he's a 2019 draft pick. A 2nd rounder (33rd OA), but a 2019 draft pick, nonetheless.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I could be late to this, but I just saw that Friedman mentioned days ago that maybe LA could use Kaliyev in a trade.

I don't watch Kings games so I don't know how he looks out there. I do know he's on their 4th line because he's behind some more experienced and productive wingers and LA is a team that wants to go for it.

He's hovered around the 15-goal and 30-points mark in his last two seasons where he averaged less than 13 minutes 2 years ago and less than 12 minutes last year. Not bad production for a guy who doesn't get much playing time.

He's 22 and is 6'2" and 209 lbs.

He could be a Newhook type of deal where you get a young forward who is down the other team's depth chart, but once you bring him here and give him more of an opportunity, he could shine.

Newhook was also hovering around 15 goals and 30 points in Colorado. But here, before he fell to injury, he was on pace for 25 goals and 46 points.


Also, he's a 2019 draft pick. A 2nd rounder (33rd OA), but a 2019 draft pick, nonetheless.

I wanted us to pick him then. I remember thinking that he had dropped more than expected and worth targeting. I still feel the same way, if it becomes feasible.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I wanted us to pick him then. I remember thinking that he had dropped more than expected and worth targeting. I still feel the same way, if it becomes feasible.

Same here. However, after Habs took Caufield 15th OA, Montreal's next pick was 46th (where they took Struble). Kaliyev was taken 33rd OA.

I would also be very interested in acquiring him if there is a deal to be made with LA. He's a natural goal scorer and has both size and skill. The kind of combination Montreal needs to add to their line-up.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Same here. However, after Habs took Caufield 15th OA, Montreal's next pick was 46th (where they took Struble). Kaliyev was taken 33rd OA.

I would also be very interested in acquiring him if there is a deal to be made with LA. He's a natural goal scorer and has both size and skill. The kind of combination Montreal needs to add to their line-up.

Hopefully they keep losing and Bergevin convinces them to do something completely irrational.

 

[habsterr]

Same here. However, after Habs took Caufield 15th OA, Montreal's next pick was 46th (where they took Struble). Kaliyev was taken 33rd OA.

I would also be very interested in acquiring him if there is a deal to be made with LA. He's a natural goal scorer and has both size and skill. The kind of combination Montreal needs to add to their line-up.

Acquire Kaliyev and play him in the top 6. He's big and skilled and would be a good project like Newhook and Dach.

 

[Deebs]

Is Kaliyev a hard worker or just another lazy, talented player?

 

[Milhouse40]

I could be late to this, but I just saw that Friedman mentioned days ago that maybe LA could use Kaliyev in a trade.

I don't watch Kings games so I don't know how he looks out there. I do know he's on their 4th line because he's behind some more experienced and productive wingers and LA is a team that wants to go for it.

He's hovered around the 15-goal and 30-points mark in his last two seasons where he averaged less than 13 minutes 2 years ago and less than 12 minutes last year. Not bad production for a guy who doesn't get much playing time.

He's 22 and is 6'2" and 209 lbs.

He could be a Newhook type of deal where you get a young forward who is down the other team's depth chart, but once you bring him here and give him more of an opportunity, he could shine.

Newhook was also hovering around 15 goals and 30 points in Colorado. But here, before he fell to injury, he was on pace for 25 goals and 46 points.


Also, he's a 2019 draft pick. A 2nd rounder (33rd OA), but a 2019 draft pick, nonetheless.

With the same Friedman this week saying that LA is looking to add a goalie......there could be a path here for the Habs to do something. This would be a good return for one of our goalie,

 

[habsterr]

Is Kaliyev a hard worker or just another lazy, talented player?

At the 2019 draft his poor communicative skills, lazy were considered why he dropped.

 

[Saku K]

I always thought we would make good trading partners with Buffalo. They won't be able to keep all their talent up front and their defenseman besides Dahlin & Power are more stay-at-homish with limited skills. They also have no significant prospects on the back end that is coming up and their depth is thin as well.

 

[Scriptor]

There's going to be Wennberg available as well. I don't think the Kraken is making the playoffs and he's not a bad addition, just like Monahan.

Wennberg is not the same level of player as Monahan, when the veteran is healthy, IMO.

Wennberg is a legitimate 3rd line C, but that is what he is.

Monahan would be a 2nd line C slotted in a 3rd line role., a legitimate insurance policy in case a top-6 C, OR W goes down due to injury.

 

[Deus ex machina]

If we can get a 3rd round or 4th round pick for Primeau, I'd be ok with that. He was a 7th round draft pick. He has a really cheap contract, and is signed for another year, so that's valuable. He has a .900 save percentage. Allen .901. That puts both in top 40, which is backup territory.

Allen is harder to trade due to the contract, and we have the cap space for him.

We have $7m in cap space next season without Price on LTIR and with Petry's retained salary, and only Barron & Ylonen to sign. Ylonen probably gets Pezzetta money around $820,000 if they even qualify him.

Barron below Harris maybe $1m. That gives us $5.18m to get to salary max, which we need to do to maximize Price's LTIR. If we resign Monahan, he isn't getting that much.

They don't have to put Price on LTIR at the beginning of the season.
They may never have the need to do it.

All the players people wanted to get rid of because they thought their salary would be a problem... Armia, Allen, Dvorak, Savard...
Looks like it will not be a problem after all. Unless they make significant changes.

The way things are going, maybe even Gallagher's contract won't be a problem.

 

[vokiel]

Wennberg is not the same level of player as Monahan, when the veteran is healthy, IMO.

Wennberg is a legitimate 3rd line C, but that is what he is.

Monahan would be a 2nd line C slotted in a 3rd line role., a legitimate insurance policy in case a top-6 C, OR W goes down due to injury.

Right now Wennberg plays close to 19 minutes per game and manages to remain +3 on a crappy team. That's not something you can just ignore, it's contending for the Selke imho.