HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[MarkovsKnee]

There's no question that if we waive Primeau he's getting claimed. Carolina just claimed Martin off waivers, and that guy is complete crap.

 

[BLONG7]

Elliotte "95% sure that Dubois end up there [MTL]" Friedman.

LOL Friedman!! He probably has an HF account and posts on the main board!!

Elliotte "95% sure that Dubois end up there [MTL]" Friedman.

LOL Friedman!! He probably has an HF account and posts on the main board!!

 

[Runner77]

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Good enough odds as per Shane Pinto.

 

[IndigoJeans]

Because for every goal Matheson may help to score he causes at least 3. He is a hot mess each and every game.

Matheson must go. But those who want Savard to go, WHY?
He doesn't hurt the team and his play is stable. A good vet for the youngs. Wtf wanting to trade him? For an useless 5th round pick?

 

[Miller Time]

I like the idea of Monahan on the 3rd line and mentoring Roy but just can’t fathom a long term deal for him given his medical record.

3-4 yrs works for me provided the cap # is team friendly vs beating the UFA market.

This assumes that the medical team gives their thumbs up and the Habs have a good understanding of the risk factors tied to his previous hip issues/future expected decline.

Rather than a flag, his injury plagued mid/late 20's could actually benefit his early 30's... The scare of a career ending drives some athletes to be significantly more disciplined & committed to their body maintenance during & post season. Monahan had to put in a ton of work to salvage his career & get back to this level. Odds are good that he'll carry that into the next few years & he's already shown very good mental/emotional capacity to adapt his game.

With the medical clearance, I'd have no issue gambling on a few more quality seasons at about the level we've seen.

 

[vokiel]

Lindholm will cost a lot more than Monahan if available though. He'll cost a 1st and a A quality prospect likely one with a value equivalent to a 10th overall pick. Monahan will cost less than that a 1st and B prospect will be enough.

I think he'll cost similar to what Pacioretty returned

 

[McGees]

Matheson must go. But those who want Savard to go, WHY?
He doesn't hurt the team and his play is stable. A good vet for the youngs. Wtf wanting to trade him? For an useless 5th round pick?

I'd trade him because:

a) more likely a 1st rd pick than a 5th
b) We won't trade both D vets and I think they like Matheson or at least play him like they do
c) He will be 34 going into next season and I could see his play fall off quickly so I'd rather trade for assets while value is high still

 

[Runner77]

3-4 yrs works for me provided the cap # is team friendly vs beating the UFA market.

This assumes that the medical team gives their thumbs up and the Habs have a good understanding of the risk factors tied to his previous hip issues/future expected decline.

Rather than a flag, his injury plagued mid/late 20's could actually benefit his early 30's... The scare of a career ending drives some athletes to be significantly more disciplined & committed to their body maintenance during & post season. Monahan had to put in a ton of work to salvage his career & get back to this level. Odds are good that he'll carry that into the next few years & he's already shown very good mental/emotional capacity to adapt his game.

With the medical clearance, I'd have no issue gambling on a few more quality seasons at about the level we've seen.

I read somewhere that this being the last big payday of his career, he’d be looking for a 5-year deal. Some GM might give him that if he can play all of this season without missing significant time.

I don’t know that there would be a team-friendly deal to be had since he is already doing that with his current contract which is meant to show that he can be durable.

When you wrote about commitment, body maintenance, discipline and adapting his game, it reminded me of General Markov’s resurgence and how so few predicted it. It is possible but is it probable?

Monahan had a far longer list of major injuries/ surgeries than your average player looking for a bounce back, so I’m skeptical.

 

[Scriptor]

In most drafts a late 1st is not going to yield a star or even a 1st line forward but the more shots at it you have the better chance you have at getting one even late. Hughes has picked some good players in the 2nd and later rounds so far.

An important part of a rebuild strategy, or of a strategy to keep a Cup window open longer is to have multiple first and 2nd round picks at any given draft.

It doesn't need to be for drafting a player with each pick -- it can be for trades -- and Montreal has had more than one1st rounder in 2022 and 2023 so far, in both of the first two drafts of the rebuild.

There are no guarantees of getting another for 2024, but both Monahan (at 2M and as a rental) and Savard (at 50% for only 1.75M tor ound out the year and for next year) give Hughes a potential to add another 1st round pick.

If both can land a 1st round pick, I would ask for a 2024 pick in Monahan's case and a 2026 picking Savard's case.

I'd trade Matheson for peanuts at 50% (2.4375M) either at next year's trade deadline, or after next year, during the offseason before the start of the 2025-2026 season.

Pretty sure Matheson could land us a 1st round pick and a prospect for 2025.

During the firs five drafts of our rebuild, we would have had three 1st round picks in 2022 (if you include the 13th OA we received for Romanov), two in 2023, two in 2024, three in 2025 and two more in 2026.

Hard to get that many 1st round picks without going scorched earth like the 'Yotes did to get theirs, but Hugo would have succeeded!

12 first round picks in 5 years, including a 1st OA (even if it wasn't in a year with a clear generationnal player available) and a 13th OA in 2022, a 5th OA in 2023, and what looks like a top-10 pick before the lottery in 2024 really isn't shabby at all.

 

[Hins77]

There's no question that if we waive Primeau he's getting claimed. Carolina just claimed Martin off waivers, and that guy is complete crap.

It crazy you realize that GM arent willing to give a pick, let say a 3rd round pick, for a guy Like Primeau to save the current season. I don’t remember that kind of cheap management since a long time ago. Edmonton like 2 month ago. Same thing

 

[Captain Mountain]

Matheson must go. But those who want Savard to go, WHY?
He doesn't hurt the team and his play is stable. A good vet for the youngs. Wtf wanting to trade him? For an useless 5th round pick?

He's a good veteran leader and predictable defender, but:

1. I haven't seen anyone say they'd move him for a 5th round pick, most reporting is that he would worth significantly more than that; and
2. saying he doesn't hurt the team isn't entirely true. Take the stats with a grain of salt, but no player on the Habs has a worse 5v5 GA/60, xGA/60, CA/60, etc. - he doesn't have the flashy miscues of other D, but players like Savard need the right teammates and usage to be effective and Montreal can't provide either.

 

[Kimota]

Very last leg, he could be playing his last 1-2 years in the league - unless he gets lucky and manage to hold it together for a little longer. The guy is significantly damaged.

Do not give ANY term please! It makes no sense, we need another young top 6 center.

It's just strange to me that Lemay or anybody else cannot see that. He is done. It's the ideal player to pass to a team for a last playoff run. Like Staal was for us a few years ago.

 

[slybel]

I have a feeling about TDL .... not sure players will be moving this year...

 

[Runner77]

It's just strange to me that Lemay or anybody else cannot see that. He is done. It's the ideal player to pass to a team for a last playoff run. Like Staal was for us a few years ago.

Monahan is a good enough gamble for a contending team this deadline given all the reasons we’ve already posted about in this thread but to extrapolate beyond this year is fraught with risk.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I have a feeling about TDL .... not sure players will be moving this year...

There will be more buyers than sellers for sure. Standings are tight. We'll see if it stays that way. If not then more sellers than buyers makes for a bad TD.

 

[Miller Time]

I read somewhere that this being the last big payday of his career, he’d be looking for a 5-year deal. Some GM might give him that if he can play all of this season without missing significant time.

I don’t know that there would be a team-friendly deal to be had since he is already doing that with his current contract which is meant to show that he can be durable.

When you wrote about commitment, body maintenance, discipline and adapting his game, it reminded me of General Markov’s resurgence and how so few predicted it. It is possible but is it probable?

Monahan had a far longer list of major injuries/ surgeries than your average player looking for a bounce back, so I’m skeptical.

All good points.
If he is looking for biggest payday (entirely possible, perhaps most likely), then I'd hope we aren't his destination... But I'm not sure there are many teams that would have the cap space & need to match the 5-6M/per we could easily justify on a 3-4yr deal.

Besides Markov, a few current players doing well in their mid 30's despite significant injury histories:
Basically all of the pens lol (Crosby, Malkin, Letang, EK), Stamkos, Seguin, Couturier...

Gary Roberts is perhaps the gold standard of that example. Near career ending kneck injury that made him do a 180 on his approach to the game & returned to have a long productive post injury career 2nd 1/2.

The mental/emotional "how" a person responds to that kind of adversity is, imo, a pretty strong character indicator. When a player shows Monahan's type of resilience, if physically they can recover, the next chapters of their performance career are strong bets to exceed general expectations.

Hopefully the fit he's found in the org./city & as one of the leaders of this group, plus the upward trajectory of the roster, is enough enticement for him to want to be a part of it for 3-4 more years.

Last year, Killorn got [email protected] for his 34-38 yr old seasons

With the cap bumping up, Monahan at the same deal (for his 30-34 yr old seasons) would be a much better team contract... Would he turn that down?
Would someone else give him 5@7M?

Will be interesting to see where he lands.

 

[yianik]

32 thoughts

Jake Allen: he's got a price he's set at. I think it's a draft pick. The other issue is he's got another year. The price gets higher with retention.

There was a time where I thought Allen would be in Edmonton, but now not so much.

Thinks LA will add a goalie, whether it's Allen, or someone else.

Yeah so I have heard this " he has a price he is set at ". I hate the absolutes we hear from GMs at times.. It's called the market. He may not be able to move Allen now.

 

[Kimota]

Monahan is a good enough gamble for a contending team this deadline given all the reasons we’ve already posted about in this thread but to extrapolate beyond this year is fraught with risk.

You're a freaking poet, bruh.

 

[Skip Bayless]

You're a freaking poet, bruh.

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[Deus ex machina]

Elliotte "95% sure that Dubois end up there [MTL]" Friedman.

Yeah, that one was a bit of a head scratcher.
He said that AFTER Dubois declared that he was willing to sign long term with teams other than MTL.

But you never know, with the way things are going for PLD in LA, he might be right after all

 

[Runner77]

All good points.
If he is looking for biggest payday (entirely possible, perhaps most likely), then I'd hope we aren't his destination... But I'm not sure there are many teams that would have the cap space & need to match the 5-6M/per we could easily justify on a 3-4yr deal.

Besides Markov, a few current players doing well in their mid 30's despite significant injury histories:
Basically all of the pens lol (Crosby, Malkin, Letang, EK), Stamkos, Seguin, Couturier...

Gary Roberts is perhaps the gold standard of that example. Near career ending kneck injury that made him do a 180 on his approach to the game & returned to have a long productive post injury career 2nd 1/2.

The mental/emotional "how" a person responds to that kind of adversity is, imo, a pretty strong character indicator. When a player shows Monahan's type of resilience, if physically they can recover, the next chapters of their performance career are strong bets to exceed general expectations.

Hopefully the fit he's found in the org./city & as one of the leaders of this group, plus the upward trajectory of the roster, is enough enticement for him to want to be a part of it for 3-4 more years.

Last year, Killorn got [email protected] for his 34-38 yr old seasons

With the cap bumping up, Monahan at the same deal (for his 30-34 yr old seasons) would be a much better team contract... Would he turn that down?
Would someone else give him 5@7M?

Will be interesting to see where he lands.

Well argued comeback.

I really don’t know how reliably we can compare ailments between any two players and how potentially debilitating they may be be.

Perhaps he is merely the product of medical and surgical advancements that may have not been possible even a decade earlier.

Or, likely his comparables never faced as many career challenging interventions as he did. That’s where I tend to exercise the most caution.

I think he gets offered something of substance somewhere since a middle six/ borderline 2nd liner, is tantamount to your left handed pitcher in baseball — a highly sought after commodity, even more so than a RHD.

Good for him, if it happens but given the payday and length of contract he’ll be looking for, hopefully it won’t be with the Habs.

 

[morhilane]

There will be more buyers than sellers for sure. Standings are tight. We'll see if it stays that way. If not then more sellers than buyers makes for a bad TD.

People said the same thing last year, but the bubble and Western teams didn't try to improve their roster as much as people expected and some teams fighting for a wildcard decided to sell which caused it to turn into a seller market and drop the prices.

I expect something similar this year. Too many bargainbin GMs out there.

 

[McGees]

Last year was the worst deadline of all time...
even going back to pre-historic era where dinosaurs were traded for other dinosaurs...We couldn't even trade an Edmundsonsaurus for a bag of leaves.

 

[Tyson]

Last year was the worst deadline of all time...
even going back to pre-historic era where dinosaurs were traded for other dinosaurs...We couldn't even trade an Edmundsonsaurus for a bag of leaves.

Weren't the players we wanted to trade injured?

 

[Yannman]

whats the take on a anderson-kuzmenko trade 1 for 1?
kuz 1 more year at 5m
seems to be in the tocchet doghouse