HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[HuGort]

They have to believe they can make a Cup run.

They were deep at center once

Guaranteed. Picks and a D or two will be moved to address offense.

Hughes has been GM for two drafts.

In 2022, Habs went into the draft with 13 picks. They traded 2 of them in two linked trades that resulted in the Dach acquisition. They selected 11 players.
In 2023, Habs went into the draft with 11 picks. They traded 2 of them to acquire Newhook. They selected 9 players.

So in the last two drafts, they took 20 players.

In 2024 and 2025, they have 22 picks (11 each draft).

2024: 1 x 1st, 1 x 2nd, 2 x 3rd, 1 x 4th, 1 x 5th, 1 x 6th, 3 x 7th
2025: 2 x 1st, 2 x 2nd, 2 x 3rd, 2 x 4th, 1 x 5th, 1 x 6th, 1 x 7th

I think they will still select a bunch of players, but I think Habs have positioned their draft picks in a way that they will be able to be more aggressive in trades in order to secure acquiring someone who can come in an help them compete. Because although they probably don't have intentions to make the playoffs this year, I'm sure as of next year, their goal will be to start making the playoffs.

Hughes said in press conference he hopes to trade defense for a young scoring forward. Also looking to trade picks.

 

[26Mats]

Monahan is a plan B or C for anyone that’s contending. You’ve gone somewhere wrong if he’s your first option in the top 6. But your price isn’t far off what it costs to get someone to fill the hole.

Who will be plan A over Monahan that is available as a rental?

 

[Kimota]

Martin Lemay said he would give Money 5 x 5.

He is solid now but he's very much on his last leg in my opinion.

 

[Colezuki]

Martin Lemay said he would give Money 5 x 5.

He is solid now but he's very much on his last leg in my opinion.

5x5 is insane. I’d be fine giving him some term but at a lower cap hit then that like a 5x4 I could be sold on but we’d need to move to DVo to do it

 

[morhilane]

If Montreal does select 7th OA and rumours of Eiserman slipping a little at the 2024 draft come true (from 2nd OA,where he had once been projected) would you try to move up to select him one or two spots higher (6th OA, or 5th OA)?

Eiserman slipping because this is how he compared to his D0 peer:

 

[yianik]

That deal would be Erat-Forsberg level crazy.

Forsberg was a recent 11th OA , Kakko is several years removed from being drafted 2nd OA and has had very underwhelming production since then. So the Forsberg trade was lousy as soon as it was made , this one only time will be able to reveal.

 

[HuGort]

Martin Lemay said he would give Money 5 x 5.

He is solid now but he's very much on his last leg in my opinion.

I imagine Monahan wants to play for a Cup. Fairly strong because how long is his career?

We have to trade it appears. I figure a 2nd rounder in return. Because if he wants to go to a team no GM going to pay a first. Small window of teams to trade him to. Has to be cup contender. He has to want to go there. Then they going to have a need.

 

[vokiel]

Who will be plan A over Monahan that is available as a rental?

Lindholm

 

[Kimota]

I imagine Monahan wants to play for a Cup. Fairly strong because how long is his career?

We have to trade it appears. I figure a 2nd rounder in return. Because if he wants to go to a team no GM going to pay a first. Small window of teams to trade him to. Has to be cup contender. He has to want to go there. Then they going to have a need.

I think we'll be able to get more.

 

[SOLR]

Martin Lemay said he would give Money 5 x 5.

He is solid now but he's very much on his last leg in my opinion.

Very last leg, he could be playing his last 1-2 years in the league - unless he gets lucky and manage to hold it together for a little longer. The guy is significantly damaged.

Do not give ANY term please! It makes no sense, we need another young top 6 center.

 

[vokiel]

Very last leg, he could be playing his last 1-2 years in the league - unless he gets lucky and manage to hold it together for a little longer. The guy is significantly damaged.

Do not give ANY term please! It makes no sense, we need another young top 6 center.

Yes and that's not Dach or Newhook.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts

Jake Allen: he's got a price he's set at. I think it's a draft pick. The other issue is he's got another year. The price gets higher with retention.

There was a time where I thought Allen would be in Edmonton, but now not so much.

Thinks LA will add a goalie, whether it's Allen, or someone else.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Montreal is currently 8th worst before the lottery and could well be passed by Buffalo, picking 7th OA, before the lottery.

If Montreal does select 7th OA and rumours of Eiserman slipping a little at the 2024 draft come true (from 2nd OA,where he had once been projected) would you try to move up to select him one or two spots higher (6th OA, or 5th OA)?

Do you think it can be done and what do you think it might cost to get it done?

Two elite shooters in Caufieold and Eiserman -- genuine snipers-- one on each line at even strength and both on the same PP wave, how good would that be?

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Eiserman - Dach - XXX (same physical, two-way RW)
Newhook - Beck - Roy

Or, do we consider going with:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Eiserman - Dach - Roy
Newhook - Beck - Anderson
RHP/Tuch - Evans/F.Xhekaj - Heineman

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Struble
A.Xhekaj - Mailloux

Montembeault
Fowler

Tbh there is a good reason why Eiserman has been falling. The question that remains is "what does he do when he's not scoring?" and I think people are starting to see that the goalscoring isn't enough to balance the rest out.

The truth is somewhere in the middle though, for a team as offensively starved as we are he's still a viable option at 8. I wouldn't trade up for him.

What we need is a "2nd Caufield", ideally even better, to pair with Dach. Winger with high skill over everything else.

 

[eklund the clown]

I think we'll be able to get more.

Much more a 1st plus

 

[Habricot]

For me, it's Xhekaj AND Struble, far ahead of Barron, who has the sharpened defensive reflexes Dumbchenyuk when playing in his own zone, circa playoffs against the Rags when we added Martinsen, Ott and King for our playoff run to please Julien.

I think that playing Guhle with Barronis a big mistake and a waste of Guhle's shutdown skills as seen tonight against McDavid.

I think a D from outside the system will need to be acquired to play with Hutson, but the type of D that can insulate and protect Hutson is easier to acquire on the UFA front, or via at rade.

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - UFA/Trade Acquisition
Xhekaj- Mailloux
Struble

Even Hutson plays tougher/harder than Harris and Barron.

That D will be 5/6 physical, 6/7 if you consider Struble as the 7th D.

When Guhle-Reinbacher play a more shutdown brand of D against offensive powerhouses during the regular season and throughout the playoffs, we can get some offense from a pairing with Hutson and another with Mailloux.

Barron and Harris will not be missed.

Hopefully, Barron can clinch a trade proposal if he is added to the mix.

Hopfully you are not talking about next year. That would be good for anothe tankothon!

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

32 thoughts

Jake Allen: he's got a price he's set at. I think it's a draft pick. The other issue is he's got another year. The price gets higher with retention.

There was a time where I thought Allen would be in Edmonton, but now not so much.

Thinks LA will add a goalie, whether it's Allen, or someone else.

Could be wrong or the only one but i dont think teams have any interest in Allen hes not a #1 hes not that good plus that extra year makes it worst i would give him away for free if we could just to get rid of that contract

Thats just me tho hopefully im wrong

I think our real value would be with Savard at 50% im sure he could get a 1st hes exactly the type of def GMs love for the playoffs

 

[Habricot]

I don’t say I wanted that lineup right now, which is why I said eventual. Besides, it will never actually be that exact lineup, I’m just showing the D I’d keep from the batch we currently have. New D will appear, some will faulted and others may get traded but that’s the core I’d hold on to from what Habs currently hold.

Besides, are you not moving Matheson and/or Savard and moving a rookie instead?? Their days are numbered. Maybe you can find a UFA vet D or two or add one in a trade but they’re not trading any of the young D to make space for an existing vet.

Yep there days are numberred until at least the end of next year!
Next year's D will be like this barring injurries:

Matheson - Ghule
Struble - Savard
Xhekaj - Kovacevic/Mailloux/Harris/Barron

 

[HuGo boss]

So you are basically arguing his stats and role are inflated and that he would be less valuable if someone else displaced him. But we shouldn't trade him at a premium at peak value for a team that may not realize he is not a number one?

I feel like it is very obvious he is not the player he is asked to be, and I think he would get a huge return based on his contract/production. I do not see him as a core player for a contender so I also think he should be traded for someone who could be. His inflated production is going to make him too expensive to keep and backbreaking to re-sign.

Sorry I don't think I great job with what I meant, I don't want to get rid of MM for nothing if the return is huge ill drive him to the airport myself but if we do trade him I feel we need a minute eating vet that can replace his minutes so we don't put the kids to play over their heads

 

[Runner77]

Martin Lemay said he would give Money 5 x 5.

He is solid now but he's very much on his last leg in my opinion.

Lemay was asked by Laraque and Gonzo during the handoff to his afternoon show yesterday, if he thought that Joshua Roy would develop into a top 6 one day.

Laraque and Gonzo both said no however, Lemay went through so many mental gymnastics and hesitations that he was unable to provide a clear response one way or the other.

It got so complicated and wishy washy that Laraque had to keep reminding Lemay that all he had to say was yes or no. Lemay’s mental gyrations were painful to listen to.

Lemay can host a show and can interview but have doubts about his judgment and ability to form logical opinions.

 

[Habricot]

I'd rather give the ice time to one of the numerous forwards in the system. You keep playing Armia, and imho that means you gave up on some of your draft picks, like... Ylonen for instance.

Absolutly not. Sends the message that if you cant play better the Armia you should likely be playing in the nhl.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I could see the logic in keeping Monahan in a perfect scenario where Dach never gets injured ever again and Dvo is shipped to Peru in the off season, so Monahan only has to be a veteran 3C going forward and he himself never gets injured either. Sadly, perfect scenarios rarely ever happen the way you imagine them.

 

[Habricot]

Honestly, I wouldn't want Money to be my #2C if I have serious cup aspirations. At this stage of his career, he's an excellent #3 and a nice touch on the PP. Just my opinion of course.

And that is a rare commodity!

 

[Kosseca]

Could be wrong or the only one but i dont think teams have any interest in Allen hes not a #1 hes not that good plus that extra year makes it worst i would give him away for free if we could just to get rid of that contract

Thats just me tho hopefully im wrong

I think our real value would be with Savard at 50% im sure he could get a 1st hes exactly the type of def GMs love for the playoffs

Allen in a No2, so you need to find a team that need an upgrade there this season and next, and who may want extra insurance in case their no1 goes down.

 

[HuGort]

I think we'll be able to get more.

Be best case scenario. GMs not beating over backwards trading first picks.

Lindholm

Doubt Calgary trade Lindholm unless they out of playoff race

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Could be wrong or the only one but i dont think teams have any interest in Allen hes not a #1 hes not that good plus that extra year makes it worst i would give him away for free if we could just to get rid of that contract

Thats just me tho hopefully im wrong

I think our real value would be with Savard at 50% im sure he could get a 1st hes exactly the type of def GMs love for the playoffs

If he's dealt at the deadline I'd be shocked. Could see a team wanting him as a tandem goalie in the offseason, but that's it.