HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Sterling Archer]

that is what the peg needs

And Chaz Lucious and Rutger McGroarty are exactly what the Habs need!

 

[morhilane]

And Chaz Lucious and Rutger McGroarty are exactly what the Habs need!

Chaz is injury prone, he would fit right in with the Habs!

 

[Sterling Archer]

Chaz is injury prone, he would fit right in with the Habs!

So was Cole Perfetti but he’s doing okay now.

 

[Kimota]

With Guhle excelling on the right trading Savard is a lot more feasible now.

Monahan + Savard (50% retained) should bring back a very good return.

We're not gonna trade all the vets! lol They are not gonna do that.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

Instead of trading for Zegras, I would rather draft a Demidov/Catton, then trade for a physical two-way RW to complete our 1B line with Dach. Simply for roster construction concerns and to extend our window, I don't like having 85% of our top-6 being the same age. Roughly speaking, that means they will peak around the same time and demand their "big contract" around the same time. It should also be easier to acquire that type of player over a Zegras.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Catton - Dach - X

depending on X, that looks really really good to me. Add in Newhook on the 3rd line and we should have depth.

I'm thinking Buchnevich, Bennett, Konecny in FA, Kakko, Marchment or even Appleton via trade. Any other candidates come to mind?

 

[HuGo Sham]

And Chaz Lucious and Rutger McGroarty are exactly what the Habs need!

one guy sounds like a gladiator while the other is an action hero. Let's trade for 'em!

 

[Captain Mountain]

With Guhle excelling on the right trading Savard is a lot more feasible now.

Monahan + Savard (50% retained) should bring back a very good return.

I'm not sure I'd say Guhle is excelling at RD, but he's been effective.

Either way though, I think this may be a good time to trade Savard (not as a package unless the offer was too good to believe):

1. Savard's a gritty playoff style D-man with playoff experience. This is the time of year that GMs care about that stuff.
2. Savard's production is excellent for his usage, which may be distracting how bad his possession stats are.
3. This is the last trade season of the "flat cap" era. Even if lots of contenders still wont have a lot of cap space, this is the time to make use of Montreal's cap flexibility.
4. The UFA D market is still looking really good. Guys will likely still re-sign, but Skjei, Hanifin, Roy, Forsling, Montour, Pesce, Miller, etc. is a better group than we've seen in quite a while. If Montreal intends to trade Savard, I doubt this offseason will be a good time to do so and I'm skeptical the trade market will be better next deadline for him when he's a year older and a rental.

 

[Weber Fan]

What do you guys think of Martin Necas. He will be RFA this summer. Could be availaible.

 

[Paddy17]

What do you guys think of Martin Necas. He will be RFA this summer. Could be availaible.

Questionnable IQ and already had his career year last year. He'll be overpaid on his new contract for what he'll bring. That's, of course, not a certainty, but my humble opinion.

 

[NekkiChiconey]

What do you guys think of Martin Necas. He will be RFA this summer. Could be availaible.

Wouldn't be against it for the right price but I don't think he moves the needle that much. I could see Carolina being interested in a F-D swap though, considering all their Ds have expiring contracts within 2 years.

 

[themilosh]

Roy will and is definitely a big part of this teams future going forward, top 6 or 9.

Regardless players like Monahan at deadlines are very popular and teams give up a lot. Like I said the return needs to be worth it and I do believe it will be a big one.

I do believe development is important and with that said the goal here IMO is still to send Roy back to Laval. It's only been 3 games, we can't go crazy here.

Anyways what if we keep Monahan and he get's injured right after the deadline, ? What then for Roy?

Again I said it a few teams and I'm being honest, I'd go hard after Monahan this off season but right now he needs to be moved and have a shot to win. Hopefully though KH and staff will let him know that they're planning to bringing him back, don't sell your house just yet!

For ANY team entering the playoffs, who wouldn't want Moneyhands as their 2C? A player like this (true professional UFA) top 5 pedigree, size, C, and all round good guy dont come on the market often.
A team in their SC wondow should have no problem giving a 1st this year and a grade A prospect.
It would be criminal not to.

 

[Deebs]

For ANY team entering the playoffs, who wouldn't want Moneyhands as their 2C? A player like this (true professional UFA) top 5 pedigree, size, C, and all round good guy dont come on the market often.
A team in their SC wondow should have no problem giving a 1st this year and a grade A prospect.
It would be criminal not to.

Honestly, I wouldn't want Money to be my #2C if I have serious cup aspirations. At this stage of his career, he's an excellent #3 and a nice touch on the PP. Just my opinion of course.

 

[yianik]

I don't know what he will get for us, but there are quite a few fires going such that there is no question there will be a bit of a bidding war for Monohan. Now Monahan is more of a tweener so he isn't getting a top price, but a late 1st or a good prospect / young player is possible.

31 Thoughts on Kakko for Monahan ? I see a late 1st as being about a 20% chance of landing a top 6 player, so is Kakko better or worse ?

 

[Rob Sense]

Chaz is injury prone, he would fit right in with the Habs!

he can play first line in the Habs club box

 

[themilosh]

Honestly, I wouldn't want Money to be my #2C if I have serious cup aspirations. At this stage of his career, he's an excellent #3 and a nice touch on the PP. Just my opinion of course.

That is (until) and if your own 1/2C go down. Sure he could be an amazing 3C on a run, but what an invaluable insueqnce policy.. Toronto anyone?

I don't know what he will get for us, but there are quite a few fires going such that there is no question there will be a bit of a bidding war for Monohan. Now Monahan is more of a tweener so he isn't getting a top price, but a late 1st or a good prospect / young player is possible.

31 Thoughts on Kakko for Monahan ? I see a late 1st as being about a 20% chance of landing a top 6 player, so is Kakko better or worse ?

Id take Kakko for Money straight up.

 

[HuGort]

I don't know what he will get for us, but there are quite a few fires going such that there is no question there will be a bit of a bidding war for Monohan. Now Monahan is more of a tweener so he isn't getting a top price, but a late 1st or a good prospect / young player is possible.

31 Thoughts on Kakko for Monahan ? I see a late 1st as being about a 20% chance of landing a top 6 player, so is Kakko better or worse ?

Would Rangers go for that?

 

[yianik]

Would Rangers go for that?

They have to believe they can make a Cup run.

 

[Andrei79]

They have to believe they can make a Cup run.

That deal would be Erat-Forsberg level crazy.

 

[nhlfan9191]

For ANY team entering the playoffs, who wouldn't want Moneyhands as their 2C? A player like this (true professional UFA) top 5 pedigree, size, C, and all round good guy dont come on the market often.
A team in their SC wondow should have no problem giving a 1st this year and a grade A prospect.
It would be criminal not to.

Monahan is a plan B or C for anyone that’s contending. You’ve gone somewhere wrong if he’s your first option in the top 6. But your price isn’t far off what it costs to get someone to fill the hole.

 

[HuGo boss]

I don't think we should trade Matheson right now, he's forced to play #1 mins pp qb because we have nobody else that's not his fault if we trade him we force the kids (guhle) to fill those mins I'd rather a vet to take that burden and let the youngins delvop properly, even thou MM is a turn over machine I appreciate his offensive and applaud him playing these mins without complaining or dogging it (petry like)
Hes payed less then 5 mil a year if he was a stud defensively with his offensive he'd be 8+ mil player

 

[Ezpz]

I don't think we should trade Matheson right now, he's forced to play #1 mins pp qb because we have nobody else that's not his fault if we trade him we force the kids (guhle) to fill those mins I'd rather a vet to take that burden and let the youngins delvop properly, even thou MM is a turn over machine I appreciate his offensive and applaud him playing these mins without complaining or dogging it (petry like)
Hes payed less then 5 mil a year if he was a stud defensively with his offensive he'd be 8+ mil player

So you are basically arguing his stats and role are inflated and that he would be less valuable if someone else displaced him. But we shouldn't trade him at a premium at peak value for a team that may not realize he is not a number one?

I feel like it is very obvious he is not the player he is asked to be, and I think he would get a huge return based on his contract/production. I do not see him as a core player for a contender so I also think he should be traded for someone who could be. His inflated production is going to make him too expensive to keep and backbreaking to re-sign.

 

[McGees]

What do you guys think of Martin Necas. He will be RFA this summer. Could be availaible.

Canes?
RFA???
I smell an offer sheet...

 

[BoneHutson]

So you are basically arguing his stats and role are inflated and that he would be less valuable if someone else displaced him. But we shouldn't trade him at a premium at peak value for a team that may not realize he is not a number one?

I feel like it is very obvious he is not the player he is asked to be, and I think he would get a huge return based on his contract/production. I do not see him as a core player for a contender so I also think he should be traded for someone who could be. His inflated production is going to make him too expensive to keep and backbreaking to re-sign.

Yup, thats a perfect way of putting it. The only thing Im worried about is that Kent might only trade him for a haul like 2x1st or bluechip (Leonard, Stankoven, etc) which teams might be hesitant to trade (but definitely not impossible considering his production, age and contract).

 

[Scriptor]

Instead of trading for Zegras, I would rather draft a Demidov/Catton, then trade for a physical two-way RW to complete our 1B line with Dach. Simply for roster construction concerns and to extend our window, I don't like having 85% of our top-6 being the same age. Roughly speaking, that means they will peak around the same time and demand their "big contract" around the same time. It should also be easier to acquire that type of player over a Zegras.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Catton - Dach - X

depending on X, that looks really really good to me. Add in Newhook on the 3rd line and we should have depth.

I'm thinking Buchnevich, Bennett, Konecny in FA, Kakko, Marchment or even Appleton via trade. Any other candidates come to mind?

Montreal is currently 8th worst before the lottery and could well be passed by Buffalo, picking 7th OA, before the lottery.

If Montreal does select 7th OA and rumours of Eiserman slipping a little at the 2024 draft come true (from 2nd OA,where he had once been projected) would you try to move up to select him one or two spots higher (6th OA, or 5th OA)?

Do you think it can be done and what do you think it might cost to get it done?

Two elite shooters in Caufieold and Eiserman -- genuine snipers-- one on each line at even strength and both on the same PP wave, how good would that be?

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Eiserman - Dach - XXX (same physical, two-way RW)
Newhook - Beck - Roy

Or, do we consider going with:

Caufield - Suzuki - Slafkovsky
Eiserman - Dach - Roy
Newhook - Beck - Anderson
RHP/Tuch - Evans/F.Xhekaj - Heineman

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Struble
A.Xhekaj - Mailloux

Montembeault
Fowler

 

[Scriptor]

I'm not sure I'd say Guhle is excelling at RD, but he's been effective.

Either way though, I think this may be a good time to trade Savard (not as a package unless the offer was too good to believe):

1. Savard's a gritty playoff style D-man with playoff experience. This is the time of year that GMs care about that stuff.
2. Savard's production is excellent for his usage, which may be distracting how bad his possession stats are.
3. This is the last trade season of the "flat cap" era. Even if lots of contenders still wont have a lot of cap space, this is the time to make use of Montreal's cap flexibility.
4. The UFA D market is still looking really good. Guys will likely still re-sign, but Skjei, Hanifin, Roy, Forsling, Montour, Pesce, Miller, etc. is a better group than we've seen in quite a while. If Montreal intends to trade Savard, I doubt this offseason will be a good time to do so and I'm skeptical the trade market will be better next deadline for him when he's a year older and a rental.

At 1.75M for two years (burning our last retention spot), Savard would be an attractive depth piece for a playoff run, for sure.

Without retention, Allen is un movable. So is Armia, but, if he keeps playing the way he has until the trade deadline,I wonder who will net a better return, a 33 year-old RHD with a playoff run and an extra season left at just 1. 75M (half retained), or a 30-yr old puck possession beast on the wing that can also play on the PK, with a playoff run and an extra season left at just 1. 7M (half retained)?

Pretty sure the younger Armia, depending on his play, will have more value than Savard at next season's trade deadline and that it will be closer at this year's trade deadline.

I'd keep Allen and Primeau until the end of the season, and try to unload one of them in the offseason if we get a decent return for Savard.