HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Boss Man Hughes]

Allen in a No2, so you need to find a team that need an upgrade there this season and next, and who may want extra insurance in case their no1 goes down.

There are 8-10 teams with no NHL goaltenders. For example, if Edmonton is stupid enough to think Skinner is a #1 they still need a #2.

If he's dealt at the deadline I'd be shocked. Could see a team wanting him as a tandem goalie in the offseason, but that's it

Lots of teams with shit goaltenders. The GM's would be idiots if they don't offer a (low) 2nd for him.

 

[DAChampion]

There are 8-10 teams with no NHL goaltenders. For example, if Edmonton is stupid enough to think Skinner is a #1 they still need a #2.


Lots of teams with shit goaltenders. The GM's would be idiots if they don't offer a (low) 2nd for him.

It looks like some GMs would prefer entering the playoffs with weak goaltending then to pay a second rounder for a goalie.

I know, it stretches credulity.

Yet here we are.

 

[sampollock]

LA look at Sean M?? they suck right now... they are tight on $$ I think.. Kent help them out and get a young guy

 

[salbutera]

It looks like some GMs would prefer entering the playoffs with weak goaltending then to pay a second rounder for a goalie.

I know, it stretches credulity.

Yet here we are.

Above assumes only addressing G position, there are other options - Edm can choose to focus on upgrading D and potentially bottom-6 fwd group. Addressing team defensive awareness at an acceptable price point might be more efficient & effective vs G

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It looks like some GMs would prefer entering the playoffs with weak goaltending then to pay a second rounder for a goalie.

I know, it stretches credulity.

Yet here we are.

Very true. You would think that the teams that are real contenders would decide what they need and make a move early to fill those spots. It rarely happens though. I would think they would rather move a 2204 2nd than a 2025 2nd so if Hughes wants a 2025 pick I could see them balking.

 

[jellybeans]

Above assumes only addressing G position, there are other options - Edm can choose to focus on upgrading D and potentially bottom-6 fwd group. Addressing team defensive awareness at an acceptable price point might be more efficient & effective vs G

There no defense if you don't have a good goaltender Edmonton is the perfect example their goalie sucked at the start of the year the team sucked now their goalie is good the team is unbeatable.

 

[le_sean]

Could be wrong or the only one but i dont think teams have any interest in Allen hes not a #1 hes not that good plus that extra year makes it worst i would give him away for free if we could just to get rid of that contract

Thats just me tho hopefully im wrong

I think our real value would be with Savard at 50% im sure he could get a 1st hes exactly the type of def GMs love for the playoffs

While Allen isn’t a #1, looking at some of the starters of these playoff teams, having him as an option for their 1B is not the worst idea in the world. Edmonton can’t keep wasting opportunities.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

There are 8-10 teams with no NHL goaltenders. For example, if Edmonton is stupid enough to think Skinner is a #1 they still need a #2.


Lots of teams with shit goaltenders. The GM's would be idiots if they don't offer a (low) 2nd for him.

Yeah, but there are goalies similar to him that end this offseason and are probably cheaper in terms of cap hit.

 

[salbutera]

There no defense if you don't have a good goaltender Edmonton is the perfect example their goalie sucked at the start of the year the team sucked now their goalie is good the team is unbeatable.

Holland didn’t exactly have world beaters in net while winning w Wings - Osgood, Howard and 43 year old Hasek

Recall Hollands infamous line in 05-06 season: “why should I pay for a G, do they get points?”

 

[McGees]

Teams holding tightly their late 2nd rd picks thinking it is a future star instead of realizing it is a 20% chance to be an avg NHLer in like 6 years.

 

[vokiel]

Be best case scenario. GMs not beating over backwards trading first picks.


Doubt Calgary trade Lindholm unless they out of playoff race

Lindholm is still plan A for a lot of teams. Calgary making the playoffs is probably worth a lot more at the bookies than him getting traded.

 

[Habssince89]

I understand that a first is a first but do people really think its so impossible to get a low first/high second return for what we have to deal? Hughes will either get a pick or get another Dach/Newhook like young guy

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I love Monahan but we cannot keep him. That team is not even bubble team level yet. It would be a waste of a contract in the short term.

Even if draft picks are overrated, it is still an asset for the mid to long term.

I am not against re-signing him in the summer if he wants to come back but we have already enough average to bad veteran on bad long term contracts. It could become an issue 3 or 4 years from now.

 

[Runner77]

I like the idea of Monahan on the 3rd line and mentoring Roy but just can’t fathom a long term deal for him given his medical record.

 

[Paddy17]

It looks like some GMs would prefer entering the playoffs with weak goaltending then to pay a second rounder for a goalie.

I know, it stretches credulity.

Yet here we are.

Kinda like HF main board

 

[WeThreeKings]

I like the idea of Monahan on the 3rd line and mentoring Roy but just can’t fathom a long term deal for him given his medical record.

It won't happen. Kent Hughes don't play that shit.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I love Monahan but we cannot keep him. That team is not even bubble team level yet. It would be a waste of a contract in the short term.

Even if draft picks are overrated, it is still an asset for the mid to long term.

I am not against re-signing him in the summer if he wants to come back but I would not keep him. We have already enough average to bad veteran on bad long term contracts.

In most drafts a late 1st is not going to yield a star or even a 1st line forward but the more shots at it you have the better chance you have at getting one even late. Hughes has picked some good players in the 2nd and later rounds so far.

 

[Runner77]

Friedman sounding more and more like Loaf Pagnotta:

 

[LaP]

I love Monahan but we cannot keep him. That team is not even bubble team level yet. It would be a waste of a contract in the short term.

Even if draft picks are overrated, it is still an asset for the mid to long term.

I am not against re-signing him in the summer if he wants to come back but we have already enough average to bad veteran on bad long term contracts. It could become an issue 3 or 4 years from now.

Draft picks are not overrated. Pretty much all cup winning teams built a part of their core via the draft. Look at the bruins. Pretty much all drafted players. They signed Chara that's about it.

Lucic drafted
Krejci drated
Bergeron drafted
Marchant drafted
Pasternak drafted
MacAvoy drafted
Carlo drafted
Swayman drafted
Poitras drafted
Rask acquired for a drafted Raycroft 1 for 1

What is overrated is kiritr, lidrship, grindrrrrrr, ....

The draft remains the best place to build a core, retool the core and stay competitive. It's not an exact science and you'll have to patch holes but nobody gives good prime players for over the hill vets at one point improvements have to come from the draft either by developing players you picked or by trading pick or young players for prime players.

 

[LaP]

Lindholm is still plan A for a lot of teams. Calgary making the playoffs is probably worth a lot more at the bookies than him getting traded.

Lindholm will cost a lot more than Monahan if available though. He'll cost a 1st and a A quality prospect likely one with a value equivalent to a 10th overall pick. Monahan will cost less than that a 1st and B prospect will be enough.

 

[morhilane]

Friedman sounding more and more like Loaf Pagnotta:

Elliotte "95% sure that Dubois end up there [MTL]" Friedman.

 

[Runner77]

Elliotte "95% sure that Dubois end up there [MTL]" Friedman.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Like Pagnotta a couple of years back trying too hard to be first on a trade call only to never see it happen.

Still remember his retraxit: “sorry, I jumped the gun.”

 

[sampollock]

I understand that a first is a first but do people really think its so impossible to get a low first/high second return for what we have to deal? Hughes will either get a pick or get another Dach/Newhook like young guy

that is what I want.. I want a good prospect not a late round 1st. just me

 

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[BLONG7]

LA look at Sean M?? they suck right now... they are tight on $$ I think.. Kent help them out and get a young guy

The LA world beaters in November, have won ONE of their last 11 games.........................yup.
Posters on this board, were ready to hand them the Cup in November.
Brutal......................................................LOL