HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Trade Allen to the Sabres for a 2025 mid round pick and prospect Ethan Miedema.

 

[Canadienna]

I think the biggest questions are whether we move Monahan and Savard at the deadline and which goalie they end up trading.

The goalie whether it's Allen or Primeau I'm convinced has almost negligible value.

Monahan won't get a haul, he's not playing well enough, still has the injury history, and GMs remember that we got a 1st for taking him.

Savard is most interesting to me. In my mind, he's worth every penny that Chiarot was. OTOH, he's really well liked in the room, stabilizes the back end and is a Quebecer.

If I'm HuGo I move the goalie+Monahan for whatever I can get, and shop Savard for a decent 1st but don't drop my price.

 

[tazsub3]

I think the biggest questions are whether we move Monahan and Savard at the deadline and which goalie they end up trading.

The goalie whether it's Allen or Primeau I'm convinced has almost negligible value.

Monahan won't get a haul, he's not playing well enough, still has the injury history, and GMs remember that we got a 1st for taking him.

Savard is most interesting to me. In my mind, he's worth every penny that Chiarot was. OTOH, he's really well liked in the room, stabilizes the back end and is a Quebecer.

If I'm HuGo I move the goalie+Monahan for whatever I can get, and shop Savard for a decent 1st but don't drop my price.

You actually said he not playing well ? Lol ok . I hope it was a weak attempt at sarcasm . Otherwise I suggest you watch the games maybe from a different angle

 

[The Great Weal]

You actually said he not playing well ? Lol ok . I hope it was a weak attempt at sarcasm . Otherwise I suggest you watch the games maybe from a different angle

Outside of the PP and faceoffs he's been bad, a team would be dumb to give a 1st for him. Of course his linemates suck which doesn't help, but he's declined hard, especially with his skating.

 

[Kimota]

Talking about a +/- metric, Gallagher is by far our worst player on the ice presenting a solid -19.
Followed by Anderson with -10.

I wouldn't mind if marty sat his ass for a couple of games.

It has become obvious that Gallagher has nothing left to offer hockey wise. What a conundrum for Hughes and company.

I think he's been playing great this year. To see him battling and having chances while the others are lazy and don't even try is refreshing. He's an example to all the roster.

 

[Kimota]

I’d trade Harris, Savard, Matheson in the next year or so to make space. Eventual D pairings:

Hutson Reinbacher
Struble Guhle
Xhekaj Mailloux
Barron

That’s my core D at the moment.

Not trading Xhekaj, Guhle, Hutson or Reinbacher unless deal is too good to pass up.

I cannot see a team fonctioning in the NHL with such a young D core. We are barely making it now. Again rebuilding with only young players doesn't work.

 

[Scriptor]

I cannot see a team fonctioning in the NHL with such a young D core. We are barely making it now. Again rebuilding with only young players doesn't work.

I can see Montreal, in 2027-2028, having a D-Corps of:

Guhle (25) - Reinbacher (23)
Hutson (23) - UFA RHD (29/29)
Xhekaj (26) - Mailloux (24)
Struble (26)

2027-2028 is when it will count.

 

[HuGort]

Not sure if the information on Capfriendly is accurate but to buy him out at the end of the year it would be 6 years at 2.166M.

I'd consider that over the next 3 years of 6.5M plus the negative impact on the ice that he brings.

I'd buy out in '25 instead. Be 1.8 million for 4 years. Sent him down next year. We don't spend to cap anyway

 

[Canadienna]

You actually said he not playing well ? Lol ok . I hope it was a weak attempt at sarcasm . Otherwise I suggest you watch the games maybe from a different angle

As I actually said, he's not playing well enough - to get a haul. A very non-controversial statement.

Please don't intentionally edit people's posts to misrepresent what they're opinion is.

 

[habsfan44]

Actually, he should be if it’s deemed his ceiling is low and they’re not liking how he’s been progressing. If Ghule can play RD (remains to be seen), then Barron’s handedness would be one of the features making him marketable (plus skating, size, age).

I don't know how it' s possible to determine a players ceiling at the ripe old age of 22 . Handedness , size , skating and age are all reasons why we should be patient with him .

 

[MtlSars]

I can see Montreal, in 2027-2028, having a D-Corps of:

Guhle (25) - Reinbacher (23)
Hutson (23) - UFA RHD (29/29)
Xhekaj (26) - Mailloux (24)
Struble (26)

2027-2028 is when it will count.

Not a fan of Barron eh?

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Not a fan of Barron eh?

Maybe he is MSL?

 

[Deus ex machina]

Maybe he is MSL?

Why?
MSL has been very patient with Barron.

Maybe that was at the request of Hugues though.

 

[Runner77]

I don't know how it' s possible to determine a players ceiling at the ripe old age of 22 . Handedness , size , skating and age are all reasons why we should be patient with him .

It’s not an exact science but the team’s development people can advise, it can be both observational and based on metrics, advanced stats, etc.

No one is saying to just give him away, either. If he can be converted to fill a glaring need and say Ghule proves he can play RD, it’s an avenue worth exploring at some point.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I think the biggest questions are whether we move Monahan and Savard at the deadline and which goalie they end up trading.

The goalie whether it's Allen or Primeau I'm convinced has almost negligible value.

Monahan won't get a haul, he's not playing well enough, still has the injury history, and GMs remember that we got a 1st for taking him.

Savard is most interesting to me. In my mind, he's worth every penny that Chiarot was. OTOH, he's really well liked in the room, stabilizes the back end and is a Quebecer.

If I'm HuGo I move the goalie+Monahan for whatever I can get, and shop Savard for a decent 1st but don't drop my price.

He will bring a 1st or at least a 2nd and an A prospect or he won't be moved. And what we got for taking him would be completely irrelevant to other GM's except the GM who moved him.

 

[Sorinth]

Not sure if the information on Capfriendly is accurate but to buy him out at the end of the year it would be 6 years at 2.166M.

I'd consider that over the next 3 years of 6.5M plus the negative impact on the ice that he brings.

It's basically down to when will we need the capspace. If we don't expect to go big with any trades or UFA signings this summer then you might as well wait at least another year before buying him out. The longer we wait until pulling the trigger the better the buyout becomes and the more chance he ends up LTIRed.

The key is to avoid playing him just because he's a vet or because of his salary. So long as we aren't afraid of healthy scratching him, there's no rush to buy him out.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I can see Montreal, in 2027-2028, having a D-Corps of:

Guhle (25) - Reinbacher (23)
Hutson (23) - UFA RHD (29/29)
Xhekaj (26) - Mailloux (24)
Struble (26)

2027-2028 is when it will count.

That s a very long rebuild. 7 years tanking is too much.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I cannot see a team fonctioning in the NHL with such a young D core. We are barely making it now. Again rebuilding with only young players doesn't work.

I don’t say I wanted that lineup right now, which is why I said eventual. Besides, it will never actually be that exact lineup, I’m just showing the D I’d keep from the batch we currently have. New D will appear, some will faulted and others may get traded but that’s the core I’d hold on to from what Habs currently hold.

Besides, are you not moving Matheson and/or Savard and moving a rookie instead?? Their days are numbered. Maybe you can find a UFA vet D or two or add one in a trade but they’re not trading any of the young D to make space for an existing vet.

 

[Habs Icing]

No freaken way we start another 300 page thread that will go nowhere.

You see that's where you're mistaken. It definitely will lead to the madhouse.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

No freaken way we start another 300 page thread that will go nowhere.

You've been around here long enough to know the answer to that my friend

 

[Scriptor]

You beat me to it but i think we pretty much agree on Barron.
It's like he's playing in slo-mo. And it's been that way since he's here. I might be wrong but i don't see that getting better.
It's just the way he is.

I think Struble is much more than a 7th though.
I don't dislike Harris but i don't think they can have both him and Hutson in the lineup at the same time.

Struble may end up better than a 7th D, but I like the potential pairing of Xhekaj - Mailloux and would prefer an older UFA to play with Hutson. We don't need a very expensive veteran to do that.Basically, we need a right-handed Struble with more experience, that aligns speed/mobility, physicality and defensive awareness, plus can serve as a calming influence for the younger Hutson.

Maybe Struble can be that pairing partner for Hutson on his offside, but I would start Hutson's NHL career with a veteran at his side, just not a sluggish RHD one on his last legs like Savard, for example. We need speed with physicality to cover for any turnovers that Hutson might create, so as not to put a massive break on his creativity with the puck.

We could always use a skilled, veteran presence on a young D-Corps if we get rid of Matheson and the RHD spot alongside Hutson is the perfect fit for that veteran presence, at least early on.

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Veteran UFA (elder statesman of the D-Corps around 30, 31 or 32)
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Struble

Maybe Struble can grow into that role and replace the veteran UFA as his contract ends.

 

[hvac412]

This is fake news. Fake sources, which are made up.

Please don't post this shit.

Something you would find on “habs fanatics “which is a clickbait garbage site

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[Benstheman]

What standing out by reading all of you guys is we will have a lot of options with our D pairs in the near future. A lot of talent, great mobility and size. And i agree with poster that said we need to be patient with Barron. I like his offense and mobility. And he still has 2 years to upgrade his defensive side.

That being said and i said it may times. Unless one of Mailloux or Barron develops into a solid two-way D, one of them will be traded as i think the D core lacks defensive reliability going forward. I think we can all agree this group will be extremely good offensively but defensively is another story.

What i think will happen is one of Mailloux/Barron will be traded in two years in a package for a top 6 forward.

Savard will be traded at next year trade deadline (or this year's but i doubt it) and Matheson the following summer (2025).

Kovacevic will also be traded by this time.

Harris i don't know. He seems like a good player to keep around as a stop gap for injuries as he can play both sides. He also can be traded if another team sees potential in him but all in all, he is not a crucial part of our future D core.

All in all :

Draft a forward with our top 10 pick this summer.

Summer 2025 : Dangle Matheson, 1 of Mailloux/Barron and some of our multiple picks in 2025 and 2026 drafts (3 X 1sts, 3 X 2nds and 3 X 3rds and their will be more) to go get a big piece for our top 6.

Summer 2025 : Sign or trade for a defensively solid RHD that can play 20 minutes to replace Savard's duties.

Lineup 2025-2026 (*rookie):

Slaf-Suzuki-Top 6 via trade/UFA
2024 top 10 pick*/Dach/Caufield
Newhook-C via trade/UFA-Anderson
Roy-Beck*-Gallagher

Guhle-Reinbacher*
Hutson*-RHD via trade/UFA
Xhekaj-Mailloux/Barron
Struble-Harris

Montambeault-Primeau

 

[Benstheman]

That s a very long rebuild. 7 years tanking is too much.

I agree. This D lineup will be in for 2025-2026 season. At worst 2026-2027.